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Somehow, I feel this will resonate with other members on this list:
http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/485967082.html -- Doug Roberts, RTI International droberts at rti.org doug at parrot-farm.net 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20080121/c53562e1/attachment.html |
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As I tell my son, you don't really know how to use your computer until
you've mastered the shell. This is just as true of MSWindows as it is of Unix variants. In fact Cygwin is a fantastic product from Redhat to tame Windows, without it I would be driven nuts using Windows. On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 09:43:32AM -0700, Douglas Roberts wrote: > Somehow, I feel this will resonate with other members on this list: > > http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/485967082.html > > -- > Doug Roberts, RTI International > droberts at rti.org > doug at parrot-farm.net > 505-455-7333 - Office > 505-670-8195 - Cell > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A/Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Mathematics UNSW SYDNEY 2052 hpcoder at hpcoders.com.au Australia http://www.hpcoders.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Someone once commented on my blog that he was teaching his son Haskell.
On 1/21/08, Russell Standish <r.standish at unsw.edu.au> wrote: > As I tell my son, you don't really know how to use your computer until > you've mastered the shell. This is just as true of MSWindows as it is > of Unix variants. In fact Cygwin is a fantastic product from Redhat to > tame Windows, without it I would be driven nuts using Windows. > > On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 09:43:32AM -0700, Douglas Roberts wrote: > > Somehow, I feel this will resonate with other members on this list: > > > > http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/485967082.html > > > > -- > > Doug Roberts, RTI International > > droberts at rti.org > > doug at parrot-farm.net > > 505-455-7333 - Office > > 505-670-8195 - Cell > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > -- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > A/Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) > Mathematics > UNSW SYDNEY 2052 hpcoder at hpcoders.com.au > Australia http://www.hpcoders.com.au > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > -- Giles Bowkett Podcast: http://hollywoodgrit.blogspot.com Blog: http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com Portfolio: http://www.gilesgoatboy.org Tumblelog: http://giles.tumblr.com |
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On Jan 21, 2008, at 2:45 PM, Russell Standish wrote: > As I tell my son, you don't really know how to use your computer until > you've mastered the shell. You really haven't mastered a computer (or lived, really) until you've toggled programs directly in via register switches. Paper tape and card readers are new-fangled tools of the devil. - Steve |
owing ourselves so much $ we have to stop work...
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Sorry to bug those who feel studying the complex systems we're part of
is still beyond the scope of complex systems study, really. I chose to do it with a new kind of physics and a simpler set of questions, since so many of the analytical questions about systems are clearly beyond us. The financial crash under way shows some of the delicious contradictions that I've found most fruitful. It helps reveal exactly how we disconnect the imaginary worlds we 'like' from the physical worlds we are 'made from'. Maybe it seems 'risky' to discuss that, but it has huge potential too. There are many indicators of systemic global diminishing returns for economic development. Take the main one, the 'complication' of finding physical resources and opportunities in ever smaller pockets with ever more larger interactions. Take the example of the collapse of African fisheries caused by the European fishing fleet following European laws for conserving 'their' ocean. Systemic diminishing returns is a natural phase that's both completely predictable and observable as it approaches from a very long distance. People just ignore it because they don't recognize it as a whole system behavior. Any kind of organizational development follows the same 'bump on a curve' shape of comings and goings. They start with multiplying discoveries of ever greater opportunity and then climax with diminishing discoveries of opportunity. That *could* be reason to celebrate, the whole event of achieving a higher sustainable state. The world of finance is driven by building up promises for multiplying returns (steady % increases). Faced with realizing only diminishing % returns it now naturally has no choice but to declare the whole project a failure... !:0 Everyone is an investor now, but we also rely on the life supports of the physical system. The difference between financial and physical accounting (%'s v. things) cause us to promise ourselves more physical things than the earth can deliver. It's like putting the money we use for each in different pockets, with a set rule to multiply the money in the left pocket, while the wealth of the physical world in the right pocket is leveling off. It's apparent that our thinking about what each pocket owes the other is mysteriously disconnected! Phil Henshaw ????.?? ? `?.???? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 680 Ft. Washington Ave NY NY 10040 tel: 212-795-4844 e-mail: sy at synapse9.com explorations: www.synapse9.com -- "it's not finding what people say interesting, but finding what's interesting in what they say" -- |
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On Jan 21, 2008, at 9:13 PM, Steve Smith wrote: > > On Jan 21, 2008, at 2:45 PM, Russell Standish wrote: > >> As I tell my son, you don't really know how to use your computer >> until >> you've mastered the shell. > > You really haven't mastered a computer (or lived, really) until you've > toggled programs directly in via register switches. > > Paper tape and card readers are new-fangled tools of the devil. > > - Plus, it's a lot easier to find the bugs when switches are mechanical. -d- |
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On Jan 22, 2008 11:14 AM, Don Begley <DonBegley at jjwalker.biz> wrote:
> > On Jan 21, 2008, at 9:13 PM, Steve Smith wrote: > > > > > On Jan 21, 2008, at 2:45 PM, Russell Standish wrote: > > > >> As I tell my son, you don't really know how to use your computer > >> until > >> you've mastered the shell. > > > > You really haven't mastered a computer (or lived, really) until you've > > toggled programs directly in via register switches. > > > > Paper tape and card readers are new-fangled tools of the devil. > > > > - > > Plus, it's a lot easier to find the bugs when switches are mechanical. > > -d- I don't know if I agree with that, but I'm willing to be convinced. :) Which is harder: finding the one intermittent cold solder joint among hundreds, or finding an incorrect use of "=" (assignment) in place of "==" (comparison)? ~~James ________________ www.turtlezero.com |
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On Jan 24, 2008, at 8:22 AM, James Steiner wrote: > On Jan 22, 2008 11:14 AM, Don Begley <DonBegley at jjwalker.biz> wrote: >> >> On Jan 21, 2008, at 9:13 PM, Steve Smith wrote: >> >>> >>> On Jan 21, 2008, at 2:45 PM, Russell Standish wrote: >>> >>>> As I tell my son, you don't really know how to use your computer >>>> until >>>> you've mastered the shell. >>> >>> You really haven't mastered a computer (or lived, really) until >>> you've >>> toggled programs directly in via register switches. >>> >>> Paper tape and card readers are new-fangled tools of the devil. >>> >>> - >> >> Plus, it's a lot easier to find the bugs when switches are >> mechanical. >> >> -d- > > I don't know if I agree with that, but I'm willing to be convinced. :) > > Which is harder: finding the one intermittent cold solder joint among > hundreds, or finding an incorrect use of "=" (assignment) in place of > "==" (comparison)? > My first reaction was the latter in an era of programs with gazillions of lines of code. However, that ignores the reality of modern chips. So, I'll bale by saying I was reflecting on the origins of the term bugs. <g> -d- |
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The latter, but only if you are equal to the task.
--Doug -- Doug Roberts, RTI International droberts at rti.org doug at parrot-farm.net 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell On Jan 24, 2008 8:22 AM, James Steiner <gregortroll at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Which is harder: finding the one intermittent cold solder joint among > hundreds, or finding an incorrect use of "=" (assignment) in place of > "==" (comparison)? > > ~~James > ________________ > www.turtlezero.com > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20080124/83002388/attachment.html |
world=info, YES ...but different info for each of us?
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Still struggling with the tough one. Maybe the world gets to be made
entirely of information by everyone making their own sense of it! Our brains, curiously, each make their own *different* sense of it. They lack any direct information input-output device, though. As a result, there would need to be some other way to decide what *the* information is, some way *other that agreement*. (since without a way to know what we agreed on we couldn't really know..) Phil Henshaw ????.?? ? `?.???? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 680 Ft. Washington Ave NY NY 10040 tel: 212-795-4844 e-mail: sy <mailto:pfh at synapse9.com> @synapse9.com explorations: <http://www.synapse9.com/> www.synapse9.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20080124/64093c3e/attachment.html |
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> I don't know if I agree with that, but I'm willing to be convinced. :)
> > Which is harder: finding the one intermittent cold solder joint among > hundreds, or finding an incorrect use of "=" (assignment) in place of > "==" (comparison)? > > ~~James > ________________ Finding the cold joint, most definitely. Most times incorrect use of =/== will be found quite quickly with a symbolic debugger and/or compile time assertions. What remains after that usually needs to be found by the binary chop method, which is about all one can use to find cold joints. Cheers -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A/Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Mathematics UNSW SYDNEY 2052 hpcoder at hpcoders.com.au Australia http://www.hpcoders.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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