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Owen Densmore

Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

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The title sez it all:

Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time |

We the People: Your Voice in Our Government

Basically a petition to either keep DST or standard time, and not flip/flop for no apparent reason. Arizona for example has survived without time change so maybe the rest of us can too?

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/eliminate-bi-annual-time-change-caused-daylight-savings-time/ShChxpKh

I am SO sick of this weird, unnecessary attack on my poor ailing metabolism. Takes me a week to adjust. Taint needed.

-- Owen

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Carl Tollander

Re: Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

But I like it! Should happen an odd number of times a year! Clocks are arbitrary anyhow; just wake up with the Sun.

On 3/11/13 3:25 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:

The title sez it all:
Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time |

We the People: Your Voice in Our Government

Basically a petition to either keep DST or standard time, and not flip/flop for no apparent reason. Arizona for example has survived without time change so maybe the rest of us can too?

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/eliminate-bi-annual-time-change-caused-daylight-savings-time/ShChxpKh

I am SO sick of this weird, unnecessary attack on my poor ailing metabolism. Takes me a week to adjust. Taint needed.

-- Owen
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Parks, Raymond

Re: [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

"Time. Time is an artificial construct. An idea based on the theory that events occur in a linear direction, at all times. Always forward, never back. Is the concept of time correct? Is time relevant?"

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On Mar 13, 2013, at 9:45 PM, Carl Tollander wrote:

But I like it! Should happen an odd number of times a year! Clocks are arbitrary anyhow; just wake up with the Sun.

On 3/11/13 3:25 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
The title sez it all:
Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time |

We the People: Your Voice in Our Government

Basically a petition to either keep DST or standard time, and not flip/flop for no apparent reason. Arizona for example has survived without time change so maybe the rest of us can too?

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/eliminate-bi-annual-time-change-caused-daylight-savings-time/ShChxpKh

I am SO sick of this weird, unnecessary attack on my poor ailing metabolism. Takes me a week to adjust. Taint needed.

-- Owen
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Pamela McCorduck

Re: [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

Only to human beings.

On Mar 14, 2013, at 2:10 PM, "Parks, Raymond" <[hidden email]> wrote:

"Time. Time is an artificial construct. An idea based on the theory that events occur in a linear direction, at all times. Always forward, never back. Is the concept of time correct? Is time relevant?"
Ray Parks

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On Mar 13, 2013, at 9:45 PM, Carl Tollander wrote:
But I like it! Should happen an odd number of times a year! Clocks are arbitrary anyhow; just wake up with the Sun.

On 3/11/13 3:25 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
The title sez it all:
Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time |

We the People: Your Voice in Our Government

Basically a petition to either keep DST or standard time, and not flip/flop for no apparent reason. Arizona for example has survived without time change so maybe the rest of us can too?

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/eliminate-bi-annual-time-change-caused-daylight-savings-time/ShChxpKh

I am SO sick of this weird, unnecessary attack on my poor ailing metabolism. Takes me a week to adjust. Taint needed.

-- Owen
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Owen Densmore

Re: [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

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Its not artificial when my alarm goes off in the morning!

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Parks, Raymond <[hidden email]> wrote:

"Time. Time is an artificial construct. An idea based on the theory that events occur in a linear direction, at all times. Always forward, never back. Is the concept of time correct? Is time relevant?"

Pamela McCorduck

Re: [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

That "only to human beings" was my reply to the question of whether time is relevant. It reminds me of when I do my Pilates, and my instructor is yelling, Up, UP , UPPP!!! and I think, remember, gravity is a weak force.

On Mar 14, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Its not artificial when my alarm goes off in the morning!

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Parks, Raymond <[hidden email]> wrote:

"Time. Time is an artificial construct. An idea based on the theory that events occur in a linear direction, at all times. Always forward, never back. Is the concept of time correct? Is time relevant?"

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Steve Smith

Re: [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

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Shoot your alarm clock
then your TV
then your entire digital ecology
then your other foot
then sell the gun to the city of Santa Fe
And don't look back!

Its not artificial when my alarm goes off in the morning!

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Parks, Raymond <[hidden email]> wrote:

"Time. Time is an artificial construct. An idea based on the theory that events occur in a linear direction, at all times. Always forward, never back. Is the concept of time correct? Is time relevant?"
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Gillian Densmore

Re: [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

In reply to this post by Parks, Raymond

Typical stomping grounds for philosophy but the practical issue is that some of us object to looking at the clock and being told by a dead president from a while back that it isn't 830 at night it's actualy 930 at night and it's about that time to unwind. Some states and few reservations seem to get along just fine w/o that nonsense. I know the rest of us can it's not as if sudenly the dynamics of how the earth rotates in relationship to the sun dramitcly changed- at least not sufficiently to warrent a flip flop.

As to time being a construct- that's a mix of philosphy and at least theoretical cosmotology- I can't remember where I read it some famous person stated fairly certainly that the thermo dynamic sense of time and a potential carrier particle of some sort interacting with us (ie humans and the 3rd rock from the sun) such that while events do have a astronomicly small chance to accur out of sequence that by and large it seems as if they must happen in a certain order. The only exception is if we were significantly closer to the galactic core where that might not be true. for reasons I don't understand something having to do with the quanta of time being less stable than it is where our solar system is located.

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Parks, Raymond <[hidden email]> wrote:

"Time. Time is an artificial construct. An idea based on the theory that events occur in a linear direction, at all times. Always forward, never back. Is the concept of time correct? Is time relevant?"
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On Mar 13, 2013, at 9:45 PM, Carl Tollander wrote:
But I like it! Should happen an odd number of times a year! Clocks are arbitrary anyhow; just wake up with the Sun.

On 3/11/13 3:25 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
The title sez it all:
Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time |

We the People: Your Voice in Our Government

Basically a petition to either keep DST or standard time, and not flip/flop for no apparent reason. Arizona for example has survived without time change so maybe the rest of us can too?

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/eliminate-bi-annual-time-change-caused-daylight-savings-time/ShChxpKh

I am SO sick of this weird, unnecessary attack on my poor ailing metabolism. Takes me a week to adjust. Taint needed.

-- Owen
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Carl Tollander

Re: [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

In reply to this post by Pamela McCorduck

There are lots of different kinds of time; they're useful in different contexts. They're all "real" relative to those contexts. If the context is too many degrees away, the associated time may be locally correct, but is less relevant.

So I guess that would mean that travel between contexts is a kind of "time travel".

However the kinds of time used by the rooster next door often seem inaccessible to me.

On 3/14/13 12:50 PM, Pamela McCorduck wrote:

That "only to human beings" was my reply to the question of whether time is relevant. It reminds me of when I do my Pilates, and my instructor is yelling, Up, UP , UPPP!!! and I think, remember, gravity is a weak force.

On Mar 14, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Its not artificial when my alarm goes off in the morning!

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Parks, Raymond <[hidden email]> wrote:

"Time. Time is an artificial construct. An idea based on the theory that events occur in a linear direction, at all times. Always forward, never back. Is the concept of time correct? Is time relevant?"

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Nick Thompson

Re: [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

In reply to this post by Parks, Raymond

So, in the fall, we don’t change our clocks. For a while we just continue doing everything an hour ahead of everybody else and feel virtuous for it. Because we are retired, it doesn’t make much difference. About two weeks in we change our clocks quietly. But it never works. Even without the TV and the daily office schedule, we just feel out of whack with the world and the metabolic thing is just spread out over two weeks. Hard to explain. I guess time really is a social construct.

In the spring, we just change all the clocks right away.

The result of this experiment is that Spring is easier.

Nick

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Ray Parks

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On Mar 13, 2013, at 9:45 PM, Carl Tollander wrote:

But I like it! Should happen an odd number of times a year! Clocks are arbitrary anyhow; just wake up with the Sun.

On 3/11/13 3:25 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:

The title sez it all:
Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time |
We the People: Your Voice in Our Government

Basically a petition to either keep DST or standard time, and not flip/flop for no apparent reason. Arizona for example has survived without time change so maybe the rest of us can too?

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/eliminate-bi-annual-time-change-caused-daylight-savings-time/ShChxpKh

I am SO sick of this weird, unnecessary attack on my poor ailing metabolism. Takes me a week to adjust. Taint needed.

-- Owen
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Arlo Barnes

Re: [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

I have heard a proposal for doing smaller adjustments more often - but why not take that to the logical extreme and do it continuously? Most people use some form or other of computer to tell time nowadays anyway, and even physical mechanisms would not be extremely difficult (I think) to redesign to change smoothly throughout the year.
-Arlo James Barnes

Owen Densmore

Re: [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

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I like it! Assuming spherical cows .. i.e. an hour's shift twice a year (although they are not symmetric .. more days of DST than std time) .. we'd shift 60 seconds per 6 months or 10sec/month or roughly .33 sec/day.

The asymmetry would make things fairly non-linear, but easily computable and managed by the time servers. Our watches would have to be "smart" but that's been coming anyway with the iWatch rumored out soon. And making slight adjustments to my fav old time clocks would just be a monthly tweak .. likely the newspapers would keep a daily time column much like the weather.

-- Owen

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Arlo Barnes <[hidden email]> wrote:

I have heard a proposal for doing smaller adjustments more often - but why not take that to the logical extreme and do it continuously? Most people use some form or other of computer to tell time nowadays anyway, and even physical mechanisms would not be extremely difficult (I think) to redesign to change smoothly throughout the year.
-Arlo James Barnes

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Steve Smith

Re: [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

In reply to this post by Arlo Barnes

There was a time when every village had their clock tower in the square and they set it as the town elders saw fit and adjusted it similarly. No NNTP, no WWV Radio, only the (constantly shifting around) Sun, Moon, Stars. You wanna know what time it is? Look out the window toward the square... then came rail and telegraph and ...

I say just shoot your alarm (and... ... ... )

I have heard a proposal for doing smaller adjustments more often - but why not take that to the logical extreme and do it continuously? Most people use some form or other of computer to tell time nowadays anyway, and even physical mechanisms would not be extremely difficult (I think) to redesign to change smoothly throughout the year.
-Arlo James Barnes
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Joshua Thorp

Re: [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

In reply to this post by Arlo Barnes

But is the time change even needed? What purpose does it really serve? There are lots of stories about it rooted in wartime/economy etc. But these things do not seem to be valid anymore. And are they worth the collective cost?

I have to say I prefer light later in the day though.

--joshua

On Mar 14, 2013, at 11:59 PM, Arlo Barnes <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I have heard a proposal for doing smaller adjustments more often - but why not take that to the logical extreme and do it continuously? Most people use some form or other of computer to tell time nowadays anyway, and even physical mechanisms would not be extremely difficult (I think) to redesign to change smoothly throughout the year.
> -Arlo James Barnes
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Nick Thompson

Re: [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

I heard somewhere that it is a plot by the fast food industry. Apparently
fast food sales go up dramatically after daylight saving time comes on.
(!?)

N

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Joshua Thorp
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:34 AM
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bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

But is the time change even needed? What purpose does it really serve?
There are lots of stories about it rooted in wartime/economy etc. But these
things do not seem to be valid anymore. And are they worth the collective
cost?

I have to say I prefer light later in the day though.

--joshua

On Mar 14, 2013, at 11:59 PM, Arlo Barnes <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I have heard a proposal for doing smaller adjustments more often - but why
not take that to the logical extreme and do it continuously? Most people use
some form or other of computer to tell time nowadays anyway, and even
physical mechanisms would not be extremely difficult (I think) to redesign
to change smoothly throughout the year.
> -Arlo James Barnes
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Steve Smith

Re: [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

> I heard somewhere that it is a plot by the fast food industry. Apparently
> fast food sales go up dramatically after daylight saving time comes on.
> (!?)
>
> N
I'm amazed when restaurants don't extend their closing by an hour when
DST comes around... as if people's hunger clocks can be adjusted as
easily as their wall clocks can. Often restaurants which closed "much
too early" already are are closed before dark or even sundown!

Not very civilized. And about as enlightened as Google letting Doug
buy an Android and then wondering why the blogosphere just lit up like a
fission reaction... Didn't Sergey and Larry even TALK to Admiral Nanos
before doing such a rash thing?

If your preferred eating place is closed when you are ready to eat, the
McD drive in is too easy perhaps? Also, while the original concept was
to *reduce* energy consumption, I think the contemporary experience is
that shifting people's work schedules deeper into the morning gives them
more evening time to frolic which in today's culture often means "consume!"

As much as I want to ignore the clock and tell everyone else to ignore
the clock (and shoot it if they have the ammo for it), I get snookered
by it too. Everyone *else's* schedules shift abruptly, the traffic
patterns follow the clock (though there is some smear) not the sun,
etc. My solar house is a clock (sundial) of sorts. For example, the
active roof-air-to-floor exchange should have cut off about 1 hour ago
and here it is still chugging away! When it quits I will get up, go do
some more chores and try to come back to this infernal machine and get
some work done, ignoring the Siren call of FRIAM (and other online
distractions).

- S

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Joshua Thorp
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:34 AM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the
> bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time
>
> But is the time change even needed? What purpose does it really serve?
> There are lots of stories about it rooted in wartime/economy etc. But these
> things do not seem to be valid anymore. And are they worth the collective
> cost?
>
> I have to say I prefer light later in the day though.
>
> --joshua
>
> On Mar 14, 2013, at 11:59 PM, Arlo Barnes <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I have heard a proposal for doing smaller adjustments more often - but why
> not take that to the logical extreme and do it continuously? Most people use
> some form or other of computer to tell time nowadays anyway, and even
> physical mechanisms would not be extremely difficult (I think) to redesign
> to change smoothly throughout the year.
>> -Arlo James Barnes
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Owen Densmore

Re: [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

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In reply to this post by Joshua Thorp

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Joshua Thorp <[hidden email]> wrote:

But is the time change even needed? What purpose does it really serve? There are lots of stories about it rooted in wartime/economy etc. But these things do not seem to be valid anymore. And are they worth the collective cost?

I have to say I prefer light later in the day though.

Agreed. I do like the petition's approach: simply no time shifting during the year. Whether it stays DST all year long (my preference) or "standard time" is to be decided.

-- Owen

Tom Johnson

Re: [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

I like daylight savings. Gives another point of semi-regularity to my year.

-tj

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Joshua Thorp <[hidden email]> wrote:

But is the time change even needed? What purpose does it really serve? There are lots of stories about it rooted in wartime/economy etc. But these things do not seem to be valid anymore. And are they worth the collective cost?

I have to say I prefer light later in the day though.

Agreed. I do like the petition's approach: simply no time shifting during the year. Whether it stays DST all year long (my preference) or "standard time" is to be decided.

-- Owen

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Steve Smith

Re: [EXTERNAL] Please sign this thing! Eliminate the bi-annual time change caused by Daylight Savings Time

In reply to this post by Owen Densmore

Agreed. I do like the petition's approach: simply no time shifting during the year. Whether it stays DST all year long (my preference) or "standard time" is to be decided.

I'm not sure anyone (at our latitude) is going to like *arriving* at work an hour *before* sunrise?

Changing clocks is silly, but so is slavishly following the clock when your metabolism and instincts tell you not to. If you like DST, get up earlier during the summer... lobby your favorite coffee house to open an hour earlier in the morning come equinox or so... don't amend the constitution to move the sun in the sky and set the value of Pi to 3 for administrative convenience or whimsy!

-- Owen

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Steve Smith

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Daylight_Saving_Time_3.svg

Agreed. I do like the petition's approach: simply no time shifting during the year. Whether it stays DST all year long (my preference) or "standard time" is to be decided.

I'm not sure anyone (at our latitude) is going to like *arriving* at work an hour *before* sunrise?

Changing clocks is silly, but so is slavishly following the clock when your metabolism and instincts tell you not to. If you like DST, get up earlier during the summer... lobby your favorite coffee house to open an hour earlier in the morning come equinox or so... don't amend the constitution to move the sun in the sky and set the value of Pi to 3 for administrative convenience or whimsy!
-- Owen
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