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Owen Densmore

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The prediction market, Iowa Electronic Markets, has a prospectus on the presidential election, opened on July 1, 2011. The "prospectus" defines the market:

http://tippie.uiowa.edu/iem/markets/pr_pres12_wta.html

Note that it is based on the popular vote, not the electoral college. Here's a graph of the activity thus far:

http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_Pres12_WTA.cfm

.. also included below.

I'm surprised by the gap .. Obama appears to be ahead by quite a bit, but there is a lot of variation while the market has run. And considering the downturn, it would seem likely folks would vote for change. Does this make sense?

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Russ Abbott

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Well, it's Barack Obama vs. Gordon Gekko. Which would you prefer to see as president? Perhaps the country is waking up to that.

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On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

The prediction market, Iowa Electronic Markets, has a prospectus on the presidential election, opened on July 1, 2011. The "prospectus" defines the market:

http://tippie.uiowa.edu/iem/markets/pr_pres12_wta.html
Note that it is based on the popular vote, not the electoral college. Here's a graph of the activity thus far:

http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_Pres12_WTA.cfm

.. also included below.

I'm surprised by the gap .. Obama appears to be ahead by quite a bit, but there is a lot of variation while the market has run. And considering the downturn, it would seem likely folks would vote for change. Does this make sense?

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Owen Densmore

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On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Russ Abbott <[hidden email]> wrote:

Well, it's Barack Obama vs. Gordon Gekko. Which would you prefer to see as president? Perhaps the country is waking up to that.

-- Russ Abbott

Like many of us, I wanted Obama to be the president "for the rest of us". But he's seemed weak in many aspects of his presidency. I realize that many presidential historians believe "exogenous" events form a president, not their platform or promises. Much of the downturn was inherited. But as bad as the hand he was dealt was, he could at least articulate the positive things he has done.

Obama has had several successes, quite important ones. But he never explains them to the electorate. Instead he gets mauled by the opposition. Why is he so poor at explaining his successes?

A trivial example is the health care bill. Yes it is a "tax", but overall it will vastly reduce taxes due to the relief it brings caused by "freeloaders" who use the most expensive health care possible: the emergency room! Several pundits have claimed as much as a 10 to one reduction in public costs which will be reflected in lower taxes.

But Obama remains mum. I don't get it.

It could simply be the media, which loves a good fight. They fan the flames and nurture fear. But it does seem to me that a large amount of the (idiotic) electorate buys the anti-obama rhetoric.

I (think) Obama would be the best outcome, at least he's got experience at it and could be better in a second term. And Romney does seem a bit of an ass. I am, however, surprised at the difference between the graph and the punditry.

-- Owen

Russ Abbott

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I absolutely agree with you. Drew Weston often has intelligent things to say about Obama's failure to communicate. Here's his most recent. And while I'm posting links, Robert Reich makes the point that extending the tax cuts for income up to $250,000 applies to everyone, even those making more than $250,000. It's not that the tax cuts apply only to those making less; they apply to everyone. This is not class warfare. It treats everyone the same way. Obama should make that point also.

-- Russ

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Russ Abbott <[hidden email]> wrote:

Well, it's Barack Obama vs. Gordon Gekko. Which would you prefer to see as president? Perhaps the country is waking up to that.

-- Russ Abbott

Like many of us, I wanted Obama to be the president "for the rest of us". But he's seemed weak in many aspects of his presidency. I realize that many presidential historians believe "exogenous" events form a president, not their platform or promises. Much of the downturn was inherited. But as bad as the hand he was dealt was, he could at least articulate the positive things he has done.

Obama has had several successes, quite important ones. But he never explains them to the electorate. Instead he gets mauled by the opposition. Why is he so poor at explaining his successes?

A trivial example is the health care bill. Yes it is a "tax", but overall it will vastly reduce taxes due to the relief it brings caused by "freeloaders" who use the most expensive health care possible: the emergency room! Several pundits have claimed as much as a 10 to one reduction in public costs which will be reflected in lower taxes.

But Obama remains mum. I don't get it.

It could simply be the media, which loves a good fight. They fan the flames and nurture fear. But it does seem to me that a large amount of the (idiotic) electorate buys the anti-obama rhetoric.

I (think) Obama would be the best outcome, at least he's got experience at it and could be better in a second term. And Romney does seem a bit of an ass. I am, however, surprised at the difference between the graph and the punditry.

-- Owen

Steve Smith

Re: PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

In reply to this post by Owen Densmore

Here is the "free market economy" kicking the ass of the "free market economy" pundits. the Iowa EM is a relatively "perfect" expression of the "efficient market hypothesis" when applied to anything they choose to apply it to. There is a natural bias based on the self-selection of the participants, but otherwise pretty egalitarian.

Obama RULES because "obama rules" or else, because the alternative SUCKS!

just my opinion....

The prediction market, Iowa Electronic Markets, has a prospectus on the presidential election, opened on July 1, 2011. The "prospectus" defines the market:

http://tippie.uiowa.edu/iem/markets/pr_pres12_wta.html

Note that it is based on the popular vote, not the electoral college. Here's a graph of the activity thus far:

http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_Pres12_WTA.cfm

.. also included below.

I'm surprised by the gap .. Obama appears to be ahead by quite a bit, but there is a lot of variation while the market has run. And considering the downturn, it would seem likely folks would vote for change. Does this make sense?
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Steve Smith

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In reply to this post by Owen Densmore

Owen -

*I* get it.... he doesn't have to articulate it.. he merely has to make (a lot) more sense, totally exposed by his behaviour, than the afore mentioned "Gordon Gecko" that is the "other party"... I would love it if Obama would follow up his "citizen-funded" win of 2008 with a total silence in 2012... let the 'publicans bury themselves with their own rhetoric.

Yes, if you are the gay couple who didn't get his full endorsement for your wedding or if your child didnt get withdrawn from Afghanistan as quickly as you wanted, or if you wanted (who doesn't?) Gitmo shut down 4 years ago, then OK... vote for the "other guy". But really?

Obama has us by the short hairs... he (should) know(s) that he beats the (holy) shit out of the alternative... he's not MY answer, but he's a "damn good start"!

I don't need Obama to articulate anything to me... if *I* don't know what the score is, his telling me doesn't change anything. I say his lack of attendance to our BS needs for spoon feeding our needs... is his genius...

But I could be wrong...

- Steve

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Russ Abbott <[hidden email]> wrote:

Well, it's Barack Obama vs. Gordon Gekko. Which would you prefer to see as president? Perhaps the country is waking up to that.

-- Russ Abbott

Like many of us, I wanted Obama to be the president "for the rest of us". But he's seemed weak in many aspects of his presidency. I realize that many presidential historians believe "exogenous" events form a president, not their platform or promises. Much of the downturn was inherited. But as bad as the hand he was dealt was, he could at least articulate the positive things he has done.

Obama has had several successes, quite important ones. But he never explains them to the electorate. Instead he gets mauled by the opposition. Why is he so poor at explaining his successes?

A trivial example is the health care bill. Yes it is a "tax", but overall it will vastly reduce taxes due to the relief it brings caused by "freeloaders" who use the most expensive health care possible: the emergency room! Several pundits have claimed as much as a 10 to one reduction in public costs which will be reflected in lower taxes.

But Obama remains mum. I don't get it.

It could simply be the media, which loves a good fight. They fan the flames and nurture fear. But it does seem to me that a large amount of the (idiotic) electorate buys the anti-obama rhetoric.

I (think) Obama would be the best outcome, at least he's got experience at it and could be better in a second term. And Romney does seem a bit of an ass. I am, however, surprised at the difference between the graph and the punditry.

-- Owen
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Eric Charles

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In reply to this post by Owen Densmore

Steve,
I would be tempted to agree with you.... if he (and his party, and his campaign) didn't keep saying other things instead. He is in the process of organizing a several hundred million dollar media blitz. Why not say some simple and straightforward things about what you actually accomplished?

Eric

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 12:07 AM, Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

Owen -

*I* get it.... he doesn't have to articulate it.. he merely has to make (a lot) more sense, totally exposed by his behaviour, than the afore mentioned "Gordon Gecko" that is the "other party"... I would love it if Obama would follow up his "citizen-funded" win of 2008 with a total silence in 2012... let the 'publicans bury themselves with their own rhetoric.

Yes, if you are the gay couple who didn't get his full endorsement for your wedding or if your child didnt get withdrawn from Afghanistan as quickly as you wanted, or if you wanted (who doesn't?) Gitmo shut down 4 years ago, then OK... vote for the "other guy". But really?

Obama has us by the short hairs... he (should) know(s) that he beats the (holy) shit out of the alternative... he's not MY answer, but he's a "damn good start"!

I don't need Obama to articulate anything to me... if *I* don't know what the score is, his telling me doesn't change anything. I say his lack of attendance to our BS needs for spoon feeding our needs... is his genius...

But I could be wrong...

- Steve

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Russ Abbott <russ.abbott@...> wrote:

Well, it's Barack Obama vs. Gordon Gekko. Which would you prefer to see as president? Perhaps the country is waking up to that.

-- Russ Abbott

Like many of us, I wanted Obama to be the president "for the rest of us". But he's seemed weak in many aspects of his presidency. I realize that many presidential historians believe "exogenous" events form a president, not their platform or promises. Much of the downturn was inherited. But as bad as the hand he was dealt was, he could at least articulate the positive things he has done.

Obama has had several successes, quite important ones. But he never explains them to the electorate. Instead he gets mauled by the opposition. Why is he so poor at explaining his successes?

A trivial example is the health care bill. Yes it is a "tax", but overall it will vastly reduce taxes due to the relief it brings caused by "freeloaders" who use the most expensive health care possible: the emergency room! Several pundits have claimed as much as a 10 to one reduction in public costs which will be reflected in lower taxes.

But Obama remains mum. I don't get it.

It could simply be the media, which loves a good fight. They fan the flames and nurture fear. But it does seem to me that a large amount of the (idiotic) electorate buys the anti-obama rhetoric.

I (think) Obama would be the best outcome, at least he's got experience at it and could be better in a second term. And Romney does seem a bit of an ass. I am, however, surprised at the difference between the graph and the punditry.

-- Owen

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Owen Densmore

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In reply to this post by Steve Smith

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Obama has us by the short hairs... he (should) know(s) that he beats the (holy) shit out of the alternative... he's not MY answer, but he's a "damn good start"!

I don't need Obama to articulate anything to me... if *I* don't know what the score is, his telling me doesn't change anything. I say his lack of attendance to our BS needs for spoon feeding our needs... is his genius...

But I could be wrong...

OK, 1 down, >150,000,000 to go! (see below)

I'd like to believe this is Obama's genius: let the opponent shoot himself in the foot. But when I go home and chat with folks, I hear a lot more of what the pundits spew: FUD. Hopefully the people are wiser than they.

-- Owen

Found on the web looking for how many voters there are in the US:

169 million registered - 86 million democrat - 55 million republican - 28 million others registered.

what percentage of these actually voted in 2008 presidential election?

During the 2008 presidential election, there were 132,645,504 total voters out of an eligible voting age population of 212,702,354, which gives you a 62.4% participation rate

glen ropella

Re: PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

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ERIC P. CHARLES wrote at 07/11/2012 09:41 PM:
> Why not say some
> simple and straightforward things about what you actually accomplished?

Well, for what (little) it's worth, they did send me this:

http://content.wuala.com/contents/gepr/public/obama-biden-wallet-posterized-scaled.png

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glen

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Owen Densmore

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There has been an increase in the divergence between the two parties, possibly due to the VP choice?

-- Owen

Douglas Roberts-2

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Or, possibly it's due to the growing education of the masses, and the attendant dawning realization that Romney believes that god is a space alien who lives on the crystal planet Kolob. And that he baptizes dead people. And that before 1978 he held to church doctrine that black people were "loathsome unto thy people". After 1978, of course, black people were just hunky.

In other words, it's becoming clear that he believes in really goofy shit, and his judgement may therefore be a bit suspect.

I mean, of course, the above belief set as compared one that requires believing in a sadistic god and a useless savior; walking on water, rising from the dead, big floods and ocean-going animal husbandry, etc.

But maybe all of the above is just my perception, and the fact that atheism continues to sound reasonable. Perhaps people are beginning to realize that the better they get to know Romney, the less there is to like about him.

--Doug

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

There has been an increase in the divergence between the two parties, possibly due to the VP choice?

-- Owen

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Victoria Hughes

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You have such a way with words, Doug.

On Aug 19, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

Or, possibly it's due to the growing education of the masses, and the attendant dawning realization that Romney believes that god is a space alien who lives on the crystal planet Kolob. And that he baptizes dead people. And that before 1978 he held to church doctrine that black people were "loathsome unto thy people". After 1978, of course, black people were just hunky.

In other words, it's becoming clear that he believes in really goofy shit, and his judgement may therefore be a bit suspect.

I mean, of course, the above belief set as compared one that requires believing in a sadistic god and a useless savior; walking on water, rising from the dead, big floods and ocean-going animal husbandry, etc.

But maybe all of the above is just my perception, and the fact that atheism continues to sound reasonable. Perhaps people are beginning to realize that the better they get to know Romney, the less there is to like about him.

--Doug

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

There has been an increase in the divergence between the two parties, possibly due to the VP choice?

-- Owen

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Douglas Roberts-2

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It's a gift.

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Victoria Hughes <[hidden email]> wrote:

You have such a way with words, Doug.

On Aug 19, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

Or, possibly it's due to the growing education of the masses, and the attendant dawning realization that Romney believes that god is a space alien who lives on the crystal planet Kolob. And that he baptizes dead people. And that before 1978 he held to church doctrine that black people were "loathsome unto thy people". After 1978, of course, black people were just hunky.

In other words, it's becoming clear that he believes in really goofy shit, and his judgement may therefore be a bit suspect.

I mean, of course, the above belief set as compared one that requires believing in a sadistic god and a useless savior; walking on water, rising from the dead, big floods and ocean-going animal husbandry, etc.

But maybe all of the above is just my perception, and the fact that atheism continues to sound reasonable. Perhaps people are beginning to realize that the better they get to know Romney, the less there is to like about him.

--Doug

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

There has been an increase in the divergence between the two parties, possibly due to the VP choice?

-- Owen

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Robert Holmes-3

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from...?

On Aug 19, 2012 3:56 PM, "Douglas Roberts" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> It's a gift.

Douglas Roberts-2

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The crystal planet Kolob.

Sent from Android.

On Aug 19, 2012 4:16 PM, "Robert Holmes" <[hidden email]> wrote:

from...?

On Aug 19, 2012 3:56 PM, "Douglas Roberts" <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> It's a gift.

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Eric Charles

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Doug,
As an adamant atheist, this is still low on my list of reasons to dislike Romney.

No one has really talked about what Bain Capital does - I have nothing against raising money, but he should not be allowed to claim he was a job creator. Also, the idea that he will be less in Wall Street's pocket than Obama is laughable.

No one has talked about how he was Governor for the biggest pork-barrel, corruption riddled, big-government, public-works disaster in US history - Boston's "Big Dig", $14.6 BILLION dollars... and then the ceiling collapsed.

People are still not sure how to handle his roll in the Mass health care laws.

He pulled off not-raising taxes while governor of Mass, only by implementing an incredible number of "fees" and slashing funding to education.

When you look at his record, he sure seems to be for big, intrusive, expansive government - the opposite of his supposedly republican values - and he seems to be war-mongering recently and getting even more invasion-of-your-home preachy in recent speeches.

That said, he ebbs and flows with the poll results as well as any politician I have seen. It almost seems bad enough that if the polls showed he would win as a Hindu, you might have a new list of odd believes to complain about pretty quickly.

Eric

P.S. These complaints should in no way be seen as an endorsement of some other guy (or gal).

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 05:41 PM, Douglas Roberts <[hidden email]> wrote:

Or, possibly it's due to the growing education of the masses, and the attendant dawning realization that Romney believes that god is a space alien who lives on the crystal planet Kolob. And that he baptizes dead people. And that before 1978 he held to church doctrine that black people were "loathsome unto thy people". After 1978, of course, black people were just hunky.

In other words, it's becoming clear that he believes in really goofy shit, and his judgement may therefore be a bit suspect.

I mean, of course, the above belief set as compared one that requires believing in a sadistic god and a useless savior; walking on water, rising from the dead, big floods and ocean-going animal husbandry, etc.

But maybe all of the above is just my perception, and the fact that atheism continues to sound reasonable. Perhaps people are beginning to realize that the better they get to know Romney, the less there is to like about him.

--Doug

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Owen Densmore <owen@...> wrote:
There has been an increase in the divergence between the two parties, possibly due to the VP choice?

-- Owen

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Penn State University
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Nick Thompson

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Eric,

I am no friend of Romney, but, whatever else you might say about the big dig, it rescued Boston from the utter destruction imposed by the central artery project, reconnecting historic sites in the city, and reintegrating the city in many ways. I have only been back to the city a few times since the completion, but just on those few occasions that I have used chunks of the Big Dig to get places, the effect is miraculous.

As for the corruption, I just don’t know.

Nick

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In other words, it's becoming clear that he believes in really goofy shit, and his judgement may therefore be a bit suspect.

--Doug

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

There has been an increase in the divergence between the two parties, possibly due to the VP choice?

-- Owen

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Douglas Roberts-2

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Well, Nick. A google search on "Big Dig Corruption" returned the following:

About 911,000 results (0.18 seconds)

Take a few minutes to educate yourself on this particular topic.

--Doug

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Nicholas Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Eric,

[...]

As for the corruption, I just don’t know.

Nick

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Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 7:49 PM
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Doug,
As an adamant atheist, this is still low on my list of reasons to dislike Romney.

No one has really talked about what Bain Capital does - I have nothing against raising money, but he should not be allowed to claim he was a job creator. Also, the idea that he will be less in Wall Street's pocket than Obama is laughable.

No one has talked about how he was Governor for the biggest pork-barrel, corruption riddled, big-government, public-works disaster in US history - Boston's "Big Dig", $14.6 BILLION dollars... and then the ceiling collapsed.

People are still not sure how to handle his roll in the Mass health care laws.

He pulled off not-raising taxes while governor of Mass, only by implementing an incredible number of "fees" and slashing funding to education.

When you look at his record, he sure seems to be for big, intrusive, expansive government - the opposite of his supposedly republican values - and he seems to be war-mongering recently and getting even more invasion-of-your-home preachy in recent speeches.

That said, he ebbs and flows with the poll results as well as any politician I have seen. It almost seems bad enough that if the polls showed he would win as a Hindu, you might have a new list of odd believes to complain about pretty quickly.

Eric

P.S. These complaints should in no way be seen as an endorsement of some other guy (or gal).

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 05:41 PM, Douglas Roberts <[hidden email]> wrote:

Or, possibly it's due to the growing education of the masses, and the attendant dawning realization that Romney believes that god is a space alien who lives on the crystal planet Kolob. And that he baptizes dead people. And that before 1978 he held to church doctrine that black people were "loathsome unto thy people". After 1978, of course, black people were just hunky.

In other words, it's becoming clear that he believes in really goofy shit, and his judgement may therefore be a bit suspect.

I mean, of course, the above belief set as compared one that requires believing in a sadistic god and a useless savior; walking on water, rising from the dead, big floods and ocean-going animal husbandry, etc.

But maybe all of the above is just my perception, and the fact that atheism continues to sound reasonable. Perhaps people are beginning to realize that the better they get to know Romney, the less there is to like about him.

--Doug

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

There has been an increase in the divergence between the two parties, possibly due to the VP choice?

-- Owen

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Nick Thompson

Re: PRES12_WTA Prospectus - The University of Iowa

Gosh, Doug,

Do you believe everything you read on the web?

Nick

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Well, Nick. A google search on "Big Dig Corruption" returned the following:

About 911,000 results (0.18 seconds)

Take a few minutes to educate yourself on this particular topic.

--Doug

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Nicholas Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Eric,

[...]

As for the corruption, I just don’t know.

Nick

In other words, it's becoming clear that he believes in really goofy shit, and his judgement may therefore be a bit suspect.

--Doug

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There has been an increase in the divergence between the two parties, possibly due to the VP choice?

-- Owen

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Owen Densmore

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It's easy to read almost anything into the graph, but it seems to me that it narrowed during the RNC then made a large adjustment wider, favorable to Obama, as the DNC started. I guess that's normal.

-- Owen