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> I gather Mavericks is not available for Snow leopard users? It looks like a direct upgrade... but older OSX versions require upgrade to Snow Leapord first? http://www.apple.com/osx/how-to-upgrade/ > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 02:25:01PM -0600, Steve Smith wrote: >> Thanks to both Owen and Marcus for the good reports... While I've >> never dreaded an OSX update like I have Winderz major releases, I >> have always avoided being an early adopter... I might just take the >> plunge. >> >> I'm wondering why VM compression hasn't caught on sooner? Has the >> physical memory curve kept ahead of it well enough, or is the >> compute-cost simply too high? >> >> My mother-in-law's 2009 MacBook (not pro) is grinding a lot on VM >> (mostly from web browsing)... I was going to look into possibly >> downgrading her Safari/Firefox to an older version that might not be >> as memory-hungry, or putting in some extra memory... but maybe >> upgrading her system to Mavericks will provide the needed relief? >> >> Except for the very unfortunate codename "Mavericks" it sounds very >> promising... supposedly the name came from a Surf Beach near Half >> Moon Bay, possibly suggesting "a new wave" in OS... despite >> apparently being very similar to Mountain Lion, maybe it *does* >> portend a "new wave". One has to wonder "did they just run out of >> Big Cat names?" in the same way that they are running out of decimal >> digits (10.9) or does this signify a significant change in direction >> (gearing up for a big change in 11 and naming after surf beaches for >> the next generation?). >> >> Sadly I can't hear the term "Mavericks" without hearing it in Sarah >> Palin's pinched Wasila-Whine of a voice. I'll try to superpose the >> image of a young James Garner making some dry, witty remark near the >> end of a poker game on a riverboat instead. And who knew that >> Roger Moore was on that late 50's TV western as cousin Beau >> Maverick? >> >> >>> Just converted to Mavericks and it seem great. And the upgrade >>> was free .. not sure why. >>> >>> Steps: >>> First >>> - Clean obsolete kruft from computer. OmniDiskSweeper (free) is >>> very useful. >>> Also look at apps finding old and unused apps especially ones >>> unlikely to run. >>> Delete with AppZapper or similar .. need to remove prefs etc. >>> - Build a Superduper bootable backup. This is useful both as a >>> fallback, and if you >>> want a clean build, you boot from that and have the installer >>> build on your >>> internal boot disk. Probably need to clear/format/repair the disk >>> w/ DiskUtil. >>> - I searched for a "how to migrate to Mavericks" article which >>> included all that >>> Then >>> - Go to App Store and download installer (takes quite a while due to size) >>> - When downloaded, pops up the installer. You can quit it and >>> install later if you'd like, in Apps folder >>> - Took quite a while to install as well, but seemed to do a sweet job >>> - Initially asked for lots of permissions and other transition >>> annoyances, but not bad. >>> - Smoothest install I've ever had. >>> >>> -- Owen >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Marcus G. Daniels >>> <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >>> >>> On 7/12/13, 4:08 PM, Steve Smith wrote: >>>> My performance problems were solved (pushed back) with 8MB of >>>> memory so I'm happy for the moment. I'm expecting that next time >>>> I feel like a HD upgrade (the one in it fails, my data hoarding >>>> and sloppy housekeeping fills it up, or I upgrade to a new >>>> machine) that SSDs will be much more affordable. >>> OSX Mavericks now has compression in the virtual memory >>> system. I've been doing parallel builds all day and I see the >>> Activity >>> Monitor regularly showing 2GB of compressed memory (on an old 4GB >>> 2009 era MacBook Pro). If that had to hit disk, the system would >>> grind to a halt, but it doesn't. It seems to work well. >>> >>> Marcus >>> >>> P.S. Linux has had this for a while in various forms for a number >>> of years, e.g compcache. >>> >>> ============================================================ >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ============================================================ >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Except for the very unfortunate codename "Mavericks" it sounds very promising... supposedly the name came from a Surf Beach near Half Moon Bay, possibly suggesting "a new wave" in OS... despite apparently being very similar to Mountain Lion, maybe it *does* portend a "new wave". One has to wonder "did they just run out of Big Cat names?" in the same way that they are running out of decimal digits (10.9) or does this signify a significant change in direction (gearing up for a big change in 11 and naming after surf beaches for the next generation?). Have they done Serval yet? Then again, maybe it is not a big enough cat, or maybe they want to reserve it for an Apple server OS, or perhaps they thought it tread too far into Ubuntu's 'animals with funny names' theme (although they went with 'Salamander' for this month's release, as of April). Not being a Mac user, I had not thought about the digits running out. Unless they are explicitly under a decimal numbering scheme, could they not do 10.10, 10.11, and so on? I think Windows had something codenamed Mavericks, because I have an old CRT with a coat of arms screen-burned into it, bearing the second-to-most-recent Microsoft logo and the word 'Mavericks', and some other indecipherable words. -Arlo James Barnes ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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On 10/29/2013 02:25 PM, Steve Smith
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Most people now have cores to waste, so why not have them do something useful? The reason people have cores to waste is that on-chip memory is limited (some new Haswell & Power chips have eDRAM for graphics, aimed to compete with GDDR5, but this is all well below a gigabyte in size), and other than that there isn't the bandwidth available per core that would be optimal. This is because the fabrication is mostly 2D, and wires go out the bottom on a limited set of pins/routes. Hopefully soon pins will go out the top too (e.g. stacked memory). I think there is a scale free aspect to this. RAM vs. swap is addressed today. L3 to eDRAM or eDRAM to RAM might be another bottleneck that could be addressed by this. So it's worth having in the operating system. Marcus ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Owen, somewhere within here
is what Tim has to say about why Mavericks a free upgrade....
Grant On 10/29/13 1:41 PM, Owen Densmore
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I upgraded from Lion. My guess is that if you see it on the AppStore, you can upgrade. If not, there will be several posts on the web on how to do it!
-- Owen
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Russell Standish <[hidden email]> wrote: I gather Mavericks is not available for Snow leopard users? ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Yup saw this in a news article:
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
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First thing is to find the AppStore. It's not visible anywhere on the
desktop or Applications folder. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 05:56:28PM -0600, Owen Densmore wrote: > I upgraded from Lion. My guess is that if you see it on the AppStore, you > can upgrade. If not, there will be several posts on the web on how to do > it! > > -- Owen > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Russell Standish <[hidden email]>wrote: > > > I gather Mavericks is not available for Snow leopard users? > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 02:25:01PM -0600, Steve Smith wrote: > > > Thanks to both Owen and Marcus for the good reports... While I've > > > never dreaded an OSX update like I have Winderz major releases, I > > > have always avoided being an early adopter... I might just take the > > > plunge. > > > > > > I'm wondering why VM compression hasn't caught on sooner? Has the > > > physical memory curve kept ahead of it well enough, or is the > > > compute-cost simply too high? > > > > > > My mother-in-law's 2009 MacBook (not pro) is grinding a lot on VM > > > (mostly from web browsing)... I was going to look into possibly > > > downgrading her Safari/Firefox to an older version that might not be > > > as memory-hungry, or putting in some extra memory... but maybe > > > upgrading her system to Mavericks will provide the needed relief? > > > > > > Except for the very unfortunate codename "Mavericks" it sounds very > > > promising... supposedly the name came from a Surf Beach near Half > > > Moon Bay, possibly suggesting "a new wave" in OS... despite > > > apparently being very similar to Mountain Lion, maybe it *does* > > > portend a "new wave". One has to wonder "did they just run out of > > > Big Cat names?" in the same way that they are running out of decimal > > > digits (10.9) or does this signify a significant change in direction > > > (gearing up for a big change in 11 and naming after surf beaches for > > > the next generation?). > > > > > > Sadly I can't hear the term "Mavericks" without hearing it in Sarah > > > Palin's pinched Wasila-Whine of a voice. I'll try to superpose the > > > image of a young James Garner making some dry, witty remark near the > > > end of a poker game on a riverboat instead. And who knew that > > > Roger Moore was on that late 50's TV western as cousin Beau > > > Maverick? > > > > > > > > > >Just converted to Mavericks and it seem great. And the upgrade > > > >was free .. not sure why. > > > > > > > >Steps: > > > >First > > > >- Clean obsolete kruft from computer. OmniDiskSweeper (free) is > > > >very useful. > > > >Also look at apps finding old and unused apps especially ones > > > >unlikely to run. > > > >Delete with AppZapper or similar .. need to remove prefs etc. > > > >- Build a Superduper bootable backup. This is useful both as a > > > >fallback, and if you > > > >want a clean build, you boot from that and have the installer > > > >build on your > > > >internal boot disk. Probably need to clear/format/repair the disk > > > >w/ DiskUtil. > > > >- I searched for a "how to migrate to Mavericks" article which > > > >included all that > > > >Then > > > >- Go to App Store and download installer (takes quite a while due to > > size) > > > >- When downloaded, pops up the installer. You can quit it and > > > >install later if you'd like, in Apps folder > > > >- Took quite a while to install as well, but seemed to do a sweet job > > > >- Initially asked for lots of permissions and other transition > > > >annoyances, but not bad. > > > >- Smoothest install I've ever had. > > > > > > > > -- Owen > > > > > > > > > > > >On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Marcus G. Daniels > > > ><[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 7/12/13, 4:08 PM, Steve Smith wrote: > > > >> My performance problems were solved (pushed back) with 8MB of > > > >> memory so I'm happy for the moment. I'm expecting that next time > > > >> I feel like a HD upgrade (the one in it fails, my data hoarding > > > >> and sloppy housekeeping fills it up, or I upgrade to a new > > > >> machine) that SSDs will be much more affordable. > > > > OSX Mavericks now has compression in the virtual memory > > > >system. I've been doing parallel builds all day and I see the > > > >Activity > > > > Monitor regularly showing 2GB of compressed memory (on an old 4GB > > > > 2009 era MacBook Pro). If that had to hit disk, the system would > > > > grind to a halt, but it doesn't. It seems to work well. > > > > > > > > Marcus > > > > > > > > P.S. Linux has had this for a while in various forms for a number > > > > of years, e.g compcache. > > > > > > > > ============================================================ > > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > > > to unsubscribe > > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >============================================================ > > > >FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > > >Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > > >to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > > > > > > ============================================================ > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) > > Principal, High Performance Coders > > Visiting Professor of Mathematics [hidden email] > > University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics [hidden email] University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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It’s been quite a while since I’ve used Snow Leopard, but under later OS X incantations, it’s under the Apple menu. A quick Google search shows that you need to be updated to 10.6.6 or later in order to have the App Store (I’m assuming you can update to 10.6.6 from an earlier 10.6 version by choosing “Software Update…” from the Apple Menu).
Good luck. On Oct 29, 2013, at 7:31 PM, Russell Standish <[hidden email]> wrote: > First thing is to find the AppStore. It's not visible anywhere on the > desktop or Applications folder. > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 05:56:28PM -0600, Owen Densmore wrote: >> I upgraded from Lion. My guess is that if you see it on the AppStore, you >> can upgrade. If not, there will be several posts on the web on how to do >> it! >> >> -- Owen >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Russell Standish <[hidden email]>wrote: >> >>> I gather Mavericks is not available for Snow leopard users? >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 02:25:01PM -0600, Steve Smith wrote: >>>> Thanks to both Owen and Marcus for the good reports... While I've >>>> never dreaded an OSX update like I have Winderz major releases, I >>>> have always avoided being an early adopter... I might just take the >>>> plunge. >>>> >>>> I'm wondering why VM compression hasn't caught on sooner? Has the >>>> physical memory curve kept ahead of it well enough, or is the >>>> compute-cost simply too high? >>>> >>>> My mother-in-law's 2009 MacBook (not pro) is grinding a lot on VM >>>> (mostly from web browsing)... I was going to look into possibly >>>> downgrading her Safari/Firefox to an older version that might not be >>>> as memory-hungry, or putting in some extra memory... but maybe >>>> upgrading her system to Mavericks will provide the needed relief? >>>> >>>> Except for the very unfortunate codename "Mavericks" it sounds very >>>> promising... supposedly the name came from a Surf Beach near Half >>>> Moon Bay, possibly suggesting "a new wave" in OS... despite >>>> apparently being very similar to Mountain Lion, maybe it *does* >>>> portend a "new wave". One has to wonder "did they just run out of >>>> Big Cat names?" in the same way that they are running out of decimal >>>> digits (10.9) or does this signify a significant change in direction >>>> (gearing up for a big change in 11 and naming after surf beaches for >>>> the next generation?). >>>> >>>> Sadly I can't hear the term "Mavericks" without hearing it in Sarah >>>> Palin's pinched Wasila-Whine of a voice. I'll try to superpose the >>>> image of a young James Garner making some dry, witty remark near the >>>> end of a poker game on a riverboat instead. And who knew that >>>> Roger Moore was on that late 50's TV western as cousin Beau >>>> Maverick? >>>> >>>> >>>>> Just converted to Mavericks and it seem great. And the upgrade >>>>> was free .. not sure why. >>>>> >>>>> Steps: >>>>> First >>>>> - Clean obsolete kruft from computer. OmniDiskSweeper (free) is >>>>> very useful. >>>>> Also look at apps finding old and unused apps especially ones >>>>> unlikely to run. >>>>> Delete with AppZapper or similar .. need to remove prefs etc. >>>>> - Build a Superduper bootable backup. This is useful both as a >>>>> fallback, and if you >>>>> want a clean build, you boot from that and have the installer >>>>> build on your >>>>> internal boot disk. Probably need to clear/format/repair the disk >>>>> w/ DiskUtil. >>>>> - I searched for a "how to migrate to Mavericks" article which >>>>> included all that >>>>> Then >>>>> - Go to App Store and download installer (takes quite a while due to >>> size) >>>>> - When downloaded, pops up the installer. You can quit it and >>>>> install later if you'd like, in Apps folder >>>>> - Took quite a while to install as well, but seemed to do a sweet job >>>>> - Initially asked for lots of permissions and other transition >>>>> annoyances, but not bad. >>>>> - Smoothest install I've ever had. >>>>> >>>>> -- Owen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Marcus G. Daniels >>>>> <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 7/12/13, 4:08 PM, Steve Smith wrote: >>>>>> My performance problems were solved (pushed back) with 8MB of >>>>>> memory so I'm happy for the moment. I'm expecting that next time >>>>>> I feel like a HD upgrade (the one in it fails, my data hoarding >>>>>> and sloppy housekeeping fills it up, or I upgrade to a new >>>>>> machine) that SSDs will be much more affordable. >>>>> OSX Mavericks now has compression in the virtual memory >>>>> system. I've been doing parallel builds all day and I see the >>>>> Activity >>>>> Monitor regularly showing 2GB of compressed memory (on an old 4GB >>>>> 2009 era MacBook Pro). If that had to hit disk, the system would >>>>> grind to a halt, but it doesn't. It seems to work well. >>>>> >>>>> Marcus >>>>> >>>>> P.S. Linux has had this for a while in various forms for a number >>>>> of years, e.g compcache. >>>>> >>>>> ============================================================ >>>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>>>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>>>> to unsubscribe >>> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ============================================================ >>>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>>>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>>>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>>> >>> >>>> ============================================================ >>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) >>> Principal, High Performance Coders >>> Visiting Professor of Mathematics [hidden email] >>> University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> ============================================================ >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> > >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > -- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) > Principal, High Performance Coders > Visiting Professor of Mathematics [hidden email] > University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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On 10/29/13 2:50 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
> I gather Mavericks is not available for Snow leopard users? > > Two annoying things I've noticed: 1) X11 went away (back with Mountain Lion). Have to get XQuartz from a third party. 2) 2009 MacBook Pro is not recovering from suspended mode properly (but 2013 MacBook Pro is fine) Marcus ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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