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Prof David West

Nick Thompson

Nick,

Your Earthlink email address (the only other one I have) bounced. I am in Santa Fe for a couple of days, until July 2.

davew

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thompnickson2

Re: Nick Thompson

David,

[hidden email] works just fine or [hidden email] .

I am really, REALLY sorry but I don't think we should meet. I just told my "pod" that I think that, with the rising cases in neighboring states, Santa Fe has started to get more dangerous again, and that we should we should be even more careful than we have been. (Rural Western Massachusetts got a lot of cases from "vacationing" New Yorkers in March.) With talk of a vaccine by the beginning of next year, it just seems stupid to take any risks whatsoever.

It's not that long. In the meantime, let's continue to interact electronically. We could do our own zoom session. You will point out how "notional" the hazard is, and I will have to admit that I actually have no first-hand experience with the disease, what-so-ever. I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease. It is still, for me, a media event. A cultural meme. Pray God it remains that way.

So let's plan to meet "on the other side.".

You take care!

Nick

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

[hidden email]

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:10 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson

Nick,

Your Earthlink email address (the only other one I have) bounced. I am in Santa Fe for a couple of days, until July 2.

davew

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Frank Wimberly-2

Re: Nick Thompson

>I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease.

One of my high-school classmates (a few weeks older than I) died of Covid-19 on April 30.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:23 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:

David,

[hidden email] works just fine or [hidden email] .

I am really, REALLY sorry but I don't think we should meet. I just told my "pod" that I think that, with the rising cases in neighboring states, Santa Fe has started to get more dangerous again, and that we should we should be even more careful than we have been. (Rural Western Massachusetts got a lot of cases from "vacationing" New Yorkers in March.) With talk of a vaccine by the beginning of next year, it just seems stupid to take any risks whatsoever.

It's not that long. In the meantime, let's continue to interact electronically. We could do our own zoom session. You will point out how "notional" the hazard is, and I will have to admit that I actually have no first-hand experience with the disease, what-so-ever. I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease. It is still, for me, a media event. A cultural meme. Pray God it remains that way.

So let's plan to meet "on the other side.".

You take care!

Nick
Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:10 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson

Nick,

Your Earthlink email address (the only other one I have) bounced. I am in Santa Fe for a couple of days, until July 2.

davew

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Frank Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz
Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 670-9918

Jochen Fromm-5

Re: Virus Cases

I was asking me the same as Nick. We experience a global pandemic and I am living in a big city of 3.8 million inhabitants and I don't know anybody who really has it. I have asked our local newspaper salesman who meets a lot of people and he says he knows people who have it, but only have little or no symptoms. Our cleaning lady (which helps us cleaning our apartment) is from Chile, she said her whole family in Santiago has the virus because they all live together in very small rooms where the virus can easily spread. Both of her grandparents have died from it. In Berlin we have overall only 8000 infected people, which is low compared to the overall population. Luckily.

The biggest recent SARSCoV2 outbreak in Germany was at a meat factory: low 10°C temperatures increase droplet formation and water condensation, no distance between workers and poor working conditions all contributed to the outbreak

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-53177628

In America as a whole the situation looks really concerning. Chris Hayes argues on MSNBC that the government has failed and Donald Trump should resign as president

https://youtu.be/oB4N27evVwY

-J.

-------- Original message --------

From: Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]>

Date: 6/27/20 18:41 (GMT+01:00)

To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson

>I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease.

One of my high-school classmates (a few weeks older than I) died of Covid-19 on April 30.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:23 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:

David,
[hidden email] works just fine or [hidden email] .
I am really, REALLY sorry but I don't think we should meet. I just told my "pod" that I think that, with the rising cases in neighboring states, Santa Fe has started to get more dangerous again, and that we should we should be even more careful than we have been. (Rural Western Massachusetts got a lot of cases from "vacationing" New Yorkers in March.) With talk of a vaccine by the beginning of next year, it just seems stupid to take any risks whatsoever.
It's not that long. In the meantime, let's continue to interact electronically. We could do our own zoom session. You will point out how "notional" the hazard is, and I will have to admit that I actually have no first-hand experience with the disease, what-so-ever. I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease. It is still, for me, a media event. A cultural meme. Pray God it remains that way.
So let's plan to meet "on the other side.".
You take care!
Nick
Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:10 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson

Nick,

Your Earthlink email address (the only other one I have) bounced. I am in Santa Fe for a couple of days, until July 2.

davew

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Frank Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz
Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 670-9918

Marcus G. Daniels

Re: Virus Cases

In reply to this post by Frank Wimberly-2

I knew one person that died in a car accident. I know one person who was shot but survived. I know of people that have killed themselves, but not personally. I know of one person in a nursing home that died from COVID-19. It took many years for me to learn of the former cases, but less than a year to learn of the COVID-19 death.

But I know a number of people that have some combination of risk factors: impaired endothelial function (e.g. hypertension), older than 56, who have lived with polluted air for many years, are packed tightly with neighbors in an apartment building, who are overweight, who don’t or can’t exercise, and who have cancer or diabetes. Bring the virus to individuals with most of these factors, and they have a good chance of dying.

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Jochen Fromm <[hidden email]>
Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Date: Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 10:17 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Virus Cases

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-53177628

In America as a whole the situation looks really concerning. Chris Hayes argues on MSNBC that the government has failed and Donald Trump should resign as president

https://youtu.be/oB4N27evVwY

-J.

-------- Original message --------

From: Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]>

Date: 6/27/20 18:41 (GMT+01:00)

To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson

>I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease.

One of my high-school classmates (a few weeks older than I) died of Covid-19 on April 30.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:23 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:

David,

[hidden email] works just fine or [hidden email] .

I am really, REALLY sorry but I don't think we should meet. I just told my "pod" that I think that, with the rising cases in neighboring states, Santa Fe has started to get more dangerous again, and that we should we should be even more careful than we have been. (Rural Western Massachusetts got a lot of cases from "vacationing" New Yorkers in March.) With talk of a vaccine by the beginning of next year, it just seems stupid to take any risks whatsoever.

It's not that long. In the meantime, let's continue to interact electronically. We could do our own zoom session. You will point out how "notional" the hazard is, and I will have to admit that I actually have no first-hand experience with the disease, what-so-ever. I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease. It is still, for me, a media event. A cultural meme. Pray God it remains that way.

So let's plan to meet "on the other side.".

You take care!

Nick

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

[hidden email]

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:10 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson

Nick,

Your Earthlink email address (the only other one I have) bounced. I am in Santa Fe for a couple of days, until July 2.

davew

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Frank Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz
Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 670-9918

Gary Schiltz-4

Re: Virus Cases

In reply to this post by Frank Wimberly-2

I wonder what the prospects are for Covid19 testing "entirely at home" in the near future? I'm thinking something like home pregnancy tests or glucose monitoring tests, where you don't have to send a sample away. Such a beast would be especially helpful in the third world, many parts of which don't have any kind of postal service.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:17 PM Jochen Fromm <[hidden email]> wrote:

I was asking me the same as Nick. We experience a global pandemic and I am living in a big city of 3.8 million inhabitants and I don't know anybody who really has it. I have asked our local newspaper salesman who meets a lot of people and he says he knows people who have it, but only have little or no symptoms. Our cleaning lady (which helps us cleaning our apartment) is from Chile, she said her whole family in Santiago has the virus because they all live together in very small rooms where the virus can easily spread. Both of her grandparents have died from it. In Berlin we have overall only 8000 infected people, which is low compared to the overall population. Luckily.

The biggest recent SARSCoV2 outbreak in Germany was at a meat factory: low 10°C temperatures increase droplet formation and water condensation, no distance between workers and poor working conditions all contributed to the outbreak
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-53177628

In America as a whole the situation looks really concerning. Chris Hayes argues on MSNBC that the government has failed and Donald Trump should resign as president
https://youtu.be/oB4N27evVwY

-J.

-------- Original message --------
From: Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]>
Date: 6/27/20 18:41 (GMT+01:00)
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson

>I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease.

One of my high-school classmates (a few weeks older than I) died of Covid-19 on April 30.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:23 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:
David,
[hidden email] works just fine or [hidden email] .
I am really, REALLY sorry but I don't think we should meet. I just told my "pod" that I think that, with the rising cases in neighboring states, Santa Fe has started to get more dangerous again, and that we should we should be even more careful than we have been. (Rural Western Massachusetts got a lot of cases from "vacationing" New Yorkers in March.) With talk of a vaccine by the beginning of next year, it just seems stupid to take any risks whatsoever.
It's not that long. In the meantime, let's continue to interact electronically. We could do our own zoom session. You will point out how "notional" the hazard is, and I will have to admit that I actually have no first-hand experience with the disease, what-so-ever. I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease. It is still, for me, a media event. A cultural meme. Pray God it remains that way.
So let's plan to meet "on the other side.".
You take care!
Nick
Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:10 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson

Nick,

Your Earthlink email address (the only other one I have) bounced. I am in Santa Fe for a couple of days, until July 2.

davew

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Frank Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz
Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 670-9918

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Jochen Fromm-5

Re: Virus Cases

In reply to this post by Marcus G. Daniels

Is there something I can do to help? I could try to get masks and send them to Santa Fe in a small parcel if you give me an address. In the beginning they were hard to get and sold out everywhere, but know it is a bit easier here. Or is it easier to buy them in Santa Fe now too? I am not rich (the cleaning lady was the idea of my wife because she works often 12 hours a day and I am too lazy to clean every week), but if I can help please let me know.

-J.

-------- Original message --------

From: Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]>

Date: 6/27/20 19:43 (GMT+01:00)

To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Virus Cases

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-53177628

In America as a whole the situation looks really concerning. Chris Hayes argues on MSNBC that the government has failed and Donald Trump should resign as president

https://youtu.be/oB4N27evVwY

-J.

-------- Original message --------

From: Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]>

Date: 6/27/20 18:41 (GMT+01:00)

To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson

>I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease.

One of my high-school classmates (a few weeks older than I) died of Covid-19 on April 30.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:23 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:

David,

[hidden email] works just fine or [hidden email] .

I am really, REALLY sorry but I don't think we should meet. I just told my "pod" that I think that, with the rising cases in neighboring states, Santa Fe has started to get more dangerous again, and that we should we should be even more careful than we have been. (Rural Western Massachusetts got a lot of cases from "vacationing" New Yorkers in March.) With talk of a vaccine by the beginning of next year, it just seems stupid to take any risks whatsoever.

It's not that long. In the meantime, let's continue to interact electronically. We could do our own zoom session. You will point out how "notional" the hazard is, and I will have to admit that I actually have no first-hand experience with the disease, what-so-ever. I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease. It is still, for me, a media event. A cultural meme. Pray God it remains that way.

So let's plan to meet "on the other side.".

You take care!

Nick

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

[hidden email]

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:10 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson

Nick,

Your Earthlink email address (the only other one I have) bounced. I am in Santa Fe for a couple of days, until July 2.

davew

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Frank Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz
Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 670-9918

thompnickson2

Re: Virus Cases

In reply to this post by Frank Wimberly-2

J-

I think the virus lives indefinitely long at those temps.

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

[hidden email]

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 11:17 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Virus Cases

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-53177628

In America as a whole the situation looks really concerning. Chris Hayes argues on MSNBC that the government has failed and Donald Trump should resign as president

https://youtu.be/oB4N27evVwY

-J.

-------- Original message --------

From: Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]>

Date: 6/27/20 18:41 (GMT+01:00)

To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson

>I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease.

One of my high-school classmates (a few weeks older than I) died of Covid-19 on April 30.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:23 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:

David,
[hidden email] works just fine or [hidden email] .
I am really, REALLY sorry but I don't think we should meet. I just told my "pod" that I think that, with the rising cases in neighboring states, Santa Fe has started to get more dangerous again, and that we should we should be even more careful than we have been. (Rural Western Massachusetts got a lot of cases from "vacationing" New Yorkers in March.) With talk of a vaccine by the beginning of next year, it just seems stupid to take any risks whatsoever.
It's not that long. In the meantime, let's continue to interact electronically. We could do our own zoom session. You will point out how "notional" the hazard is, and I will have to admit that I actually have no first-hand experience with the disease, what-so-ever. I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease. It is still, for me, a media event. A cultural meme. Pray God it remains that way.
So let's plan to meet "on the other side.".
You take care!
Nick
Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:10 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson

Nick,

Your Earthlink email address (the only other one I have) bounced. I am in Santa Fe for a couple of days, until July 2.

davew

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Frank Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz
Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 670-9918

thompnickson2

Re: Virus Cases

In reply to this post by Gary Schiltz-4

Gary,

Don’t look to the US for any inspiration on testing. There are still parts where getting a test is not easy.

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

[hidden email]

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Gary Schiltz
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 11:45 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Virus Cases

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:17 PM Jochen Fromm <[hidden email]> wrote:

I was asking me the same as Nick. We experience a global pandemic and I am living in a big city of 3.8 million inhabitants and I don't know anybody who really has it. I have asked our local newspaper salesman who meets a lot of people and he says he knows people who have it, but only have little or no symptoms. Our cleaning lady (which helps us cleaning our apartment) is from Chile, she said her whole family in Santiago has the virus because they all live together in very small rooms where the virus can easily spread. Both of her grandparents have died from it. In Berlin we have overall only 8000 infected people, which is low compared to the overall population. Luckily.

The biggest recent SARSCoV2 outbreak in Germany was at a meat factory: low 10°C temperatures increase droplet formation and water condensation, no distance between workers and poor working conditions all contributed to the outbreak
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-53177628

In America as a whole the situation looks really concerning. Chris Hayes argues on MSNBC that the government has failed and Donald Trump should resign as president
https://youtu.be/oB4N27evVwY

-J.

-------- Original message --------
From: Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]>
Date: 6/27/20 18:41 (GMT+01:00)
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson

>I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease.

One of my high-school classmates (a few weeks older than I) died of Covid-19 on April 30.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:23 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:
David,
[hidden email] works just fine or [hidden email] .
I am really, REALLY sorry but I don't think we should meet. I just told my "pod" that I think that, with the rising cases in neighboring states, Santa Fe has started to get more dangerous again, and that we should we should be even more careful than we have been. (Rural Western Massachusetts got a lot of cases from "vacationing" New Yorkers in March.) With talk of a vaccine by the beginning of next year, it just seems stupid to take any risks whatsoever.
It's not that long. In the meantime, let's continue to interact electronically. We could do our own zoom session. You will point out how "notional" the hazard is, and I will have to admit that I actually have no first-hand experience with the disease, what-so-ever. I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease. It is still, for me, a media event. A cultural meme. Pray God it remains that way.
So let's plan to meet "on the other side.".
You take care!
Nick
Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:10 AM
To: [hidden email]
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Nick,

Your Earthlink email address (the only other one I have) bounced. I am in Santa Fe for a couple of days, until July 2.

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Gary Schiltz-4

Re: Virus Cases

My question is about the knowledge, and state of the science/technology. That is to say, what is the state of knowledge in the medical science community to develop such tests? Would we be a month away? A year? More?

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 2:11 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:

Gary,

Don’t look to the US for any inspiration on testing. There are still parts where getting a test is not easy.

N

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Gary Schiltz
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 11:45 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Virus Cases

I wonder what the prospects are for Covid19 testing "entirely at home" in the near future? I'm thinking something like home pregnancy tests or glucose monitoring tests, where you don't have to send a sample away. Such a beast would be especially helpful in the third world, many parts of which don't have any kind of postal service.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:17 PM Jochen Fromm <[hidden email]> wrote:
I was asking me the same as Nick. We experience a global pandemic and I am living in a big city of 3.8 million inhabitants and I don't know anybody who really has it. I have asked our local newspaper salesman who meets a lot of people and he says he knows people who have it, but only have little or no symptoms. Our cleaning lady (which helps us cleaning our apartment) is from Chile, she said her whole family in Santiago has the virus because they all live together in very small rooms where the virus can easily spread. Both of her grandparents have died from it. In Berlin we have overall only 8000 infected people, which is low compared to the overall population. Luckily.

The biggest recent SARSCoV2 outbreak in Germany was at a meat factory: low 10°C temperatures increase droplet formation and water condensation, no distance between workers and poor working conditions all contributed to the outbreak
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-53177628

In America as a whole the situation looks really concerning. Chris Hayes argues on MSNBC that the government has failed and Donald Trump should resign as president
https://youtu.be/oB4N27evVwY

-J.

-------- Original message --------
From: Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]>
Date: 6/27/20 18:41 (GMT+01:00)
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson

>I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease.

One of my high-school classmates (a few weeks older than I) died of Covid-19 on April 30.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:23 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:
David,
[hidden email] works just fine or [hidden email] .
I am really, REALLY sorry but I don't think we should meet. I just told my "pod" that I think that, with the rising cases in neighboring states, Santa Fe has started to get more dangerous again, and that we should we should be even more careful than we have been. (Rural Western Massachusetts got a lot of cases from "vacationing" New Yorkers in March.) With talk of a vaccine by the beginning of next year, it just seems stupid to take any risks whatsoever.
It's not that long. In the meantime, let's continue to interact electronically. We could do our own zoom session. You will point out how "notional" the hazard is, and I will have to admit that I actually have no first-hand experience with the disease, what-so-ever. I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease. It is still, for me, a media event. A cultural meme. Pray God it remains that way.
So let's plan to meet "on the other side.".
You take care!
Nick
Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:10 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson

Nick,

Your Earthlink email address (the only other one I have) bounced. I am in Santa Fe for a couple of days, until July 2.

davew

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thompnickson2

Re: Virus Cases

In reply to this post by Marcus G. Daniels

OHMIGOSH! What a kind thought! No, I think we are ok in santa fe for masks, etc. Others may contradict me. We are surrounded by states where bad things are happening, and we are the sort of place where rich people flee when the place where they get rich gets dangerous. But so far, we lurch along at 2-3 cases a day in a county of 150,000. Apparently there are 87 people in the county that are recovering (or dying) from the virus. 3 dead. 120 recovered.

Thanks, Jochen. Given how we have abused the world in the last 4 years, it’s touching to think that ANYBODY in another country gives a damn what happens to us.

Nick

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

[hidden email]

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 12:10 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Virus Cases

-J.

-------- Original message --------

From: Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]>

Date: 6/27/20 19:43 (GMT+01:00)

To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Virus Cases

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-53177628

In America as a whole the situation looks really concerning. Chris Hayes argues on MSNBC that the government has failed and Donald Trump should resign as president

https://youtu.be/oB4N27evVwY

-J.

-------- Original message --------

From: Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]>

Date: 6/27/20 18:41 (GMT+01:00)

To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson

>I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease.

One of my high-school classmates (a few weeks older than I) died of Covid-19 on April 30.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:23 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:

David,
[hidden email] works just fine or [hidden email] .
I am really, REALLY sorry but I don't think we should meet. I just told my "pod" that I think that, with the rising cases in neighboring states, Santa Fe has started to get more dangerous again, and that we should we should be even more careful than we have been. (Rural Western Massachusetts got a lot of cases from "vacationing" New Yorkers in March.) With talk of a vaccine by the beginning of next year, it just seems stupid to take any risks whatsoever.
It's not that long. In the meantime, let's continue to interact electronically. We could do our own zoom session. You will point out how "notional" the hazard is, and I will have to admit that I actually have no first-hand experience with the disease, what-so-ever. I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease. It is still, for me, a media event. A cultural meme. Pray God it remains that way.
So let's plan to meet "on the other side.".
You take care!
Nick
Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:10 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson

Nick,

Your Earthlink email address (the only other one I have) bounced. I am in Santa Fe for a couple of days, until July 2.

davew

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thompnickson2

Re: Virus Cases

In reply to this post by Gary Schiltz-4

Gary I don’t know. I think the person on the list who reads most widely is Glen. Perhaps he will comment.

Nick

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

[hidden email]

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Gary Schiltz
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 1:20 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Virus Cases

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 2:11 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:

Gary,

Don’t look to the US for any inspiration on testing. There are still parts where getting a test is not easy.

N

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Gary Schiltz
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 11:45 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Virus Cases

I wonder what the prospects are for Covid19 testing "entirely at home" in the near future? I'm thinking something like home pregnancy tests or glucose monitoring tests, where you don't have to send a sample away. Such a beast would be especially helpful in the third world, many parts of which don't have any kind of postal service.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:17 PM Jochen Fromm <[hidden email]> wrote:
I was asking me the same as Nick. We experience a global pandemic and I am living in a big city of 3.8 million inhabitants and I don't know anybody who really has it. I have asked our local newspaper salesman who meets a lot of people and he says he knows people who have it, but only have little or no symptoms. Our cleaning lady (which helps us cleaning our apartment) is from Chile, she said her whole family in Santiago has the virus because they all live together in very small rooms where the virus can easily spread. Both of her grandparents have died from it. In Berlin we have overall only 8000 infected people, which is low compared to the overall population. Luckily.

The biggest recent SARSCoV2 outbreak in Germany was at a meat factory: low 10°C temperatures increase droplet formation and water condensation, no distance between workers and poor working conditions all contributed to the outbreak
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-53177628

In America as a whole the situation looks really concerning. Chris Hayes argues on MSNBC that the government has failed and Donald Trump should resign as president
https://youtu.be/oB4N27evVwY

-J.

-------- Original message --------
From: Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]>
Date: 6/27/20 18:41 (GMT+01:00)
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson

>I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease.

One of my high-school classmates (a few weeks older than I) died of Covid-19 on April 30.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:23 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:
David,
[hidden email] works just fine or [hidden email] .
I am really, REALLY sorry but I don't think we should meet. I just told my "pod" that I think that, with the rising cases in neighboring states, Santa Fe has started to get more dangerous again, and that we should we should be even more careful than we have been. (Rural Western Massachusetts got a lot of cases from "vacationing" New Yorkers in March.) With talk of a vaccine by the beginning of next year, it just seems stupid to take any risks whatsoever.
It's not that long. In the meantime, let's continue to interact electronically. We could do our own zoom session. You will point out how "notional" the hazard is, and I will have to admit that I actually have no first-hand experience with the disease, what-so-ever. I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease. It is still, for me, a media event. A cultural meme. Pray God it remains that way.
So let's plan to meet "on the other side.".
You take care!
Nick
Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:10 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson

Nick,

Your Earthlink email address (the only other one I have) bounced. I am in Santa Fe for a couple of days, until July 2.

davew

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: Virus Cases

There’s this..

https://sherlock.bio/crispr-sars-cov-2/

..which isn’t at-home, but also doesn’t require an expensive machine.

Marcus

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Date: Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 1:05 PM
To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Virus Cases

Gary I don’t know. I think the person on the list who reads most widely is Glen. Perhaps he will comment.

Nick

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

[hidden email]

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 2:11 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:

Gary,

Don’t look to the US for any inspiration on testing. There are still parts where getting a test is not easy.

N

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

[hidden email]

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Gary Schiltz
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 11:45 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Virus Cases

I wonder what the prospects are for Covid19 testing "entirely at home" in the near future? I'm thinking something like home pregnancy tests or glucose monitoring tests, where you don't have to send a sample away. Such a beast would be especially helpful in the third world, many parts of which don't have any kind of postal service.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:17 PM Jochen Fromm <[hidden email]> wrote:

I was asking me the same as Nick. We experience a global pandemic and I am living in a big city of 3.8 million inhabitants and I don't know anybody who really has it. I have asked our local newspaper salesman who meets a lot of people and he says he knows people who have it, but only have little or no symptoms. Our cleaning lady (which helps us cleaning our apartment) is from Chile, she said her whole family in Santiago has the virus because they all live together in very small rooms where the virus can easily spread. Both of her grandparents have died from it. In Berlin we have overall only 8000 infected people, which is low compared to the overall population. Luckily.

The biggest recent SARSCoV2 outbreak in Germany was at a meat factory: low 10°C temperatures increase droplet formation and water condensation, no distance between workers and poor working conditions all contributed to the outbreak

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-53177628

In America as a whole the situation looks really concerning. Chris Hayes argues on MSNBC that the government has failed and Donald Trump should resign as president

https://youtu.be/oB4N27evVwY

-J.

-------- Original message --------

From: Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]>

Date: 6/27/20 18:41 (GMT+01:00)

To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson

>I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease.

One of my high-school classmates (a few weeks older than I) died of Covid-19 on April 30.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:23 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:

David,

[hidden email] works just fine or [hidden email] .

I am really, REALLY sorry but I don't think we should meet. I just told my "pod" that I think that, with the rising cases in neighboring states, Santa Fe has started to get more dangerous again, and that we should we should be even more careful than we have been. (Rural Western Massachusetts got a lot of cases from "vacationing" New Yorkers in March.) With talk of a vaccine by the beginning of next year, it just seems stupid to take any risks whatsoever.

It's not that long. In the meantime, let's continue to interact electronically. We could do our own zoom session. You will point out how "notional" the hazard is, and I will have to admit that I actually have no first-hand experience with the disease, what-so-ever. I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease. It is still, for me, a media event. A cultural meme. Pray God it remains that way.

So let's plan to meet "on the other side.".

You take care!

Nick

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

[hidden email]

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:10 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson

Nick,

Your Earthlink email address (the only other one I have) bounced. I am in Santa Fe for a couple of days, until July 2.

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Prof David West

Re: Nick Thompson

In reply to this post by thompnickson2

Hi Nick, I agree about meeting. On my way here I travel diagonally across the entire Navajo Reservation. Hitchhiking is a necessity on the reservation. It was quite hard to balance humanity with personal safety. It has always been my practice to give rides to anyone I see on the reservation. Those soliciting rides were always masked and had hand sanitizer that they used before getting in, and chem-wipes for the seat and anything they might have touched while in the truck.

Still think about whether or not I was reckless or reasonable. Do know I felt better about myself and value system.

davew

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, at 10:23 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

David,

[hidden email] works just fine or [hidden email] .

I am really, REALLY sorry but I don't think we should meet. I just told my "pod" that I think that, with the rising cases in neighboring states, Santa Fe has started to get more dangerous again, and that we should we should be even more careful than we have been. (Rural Western Massachusetts got a lot of cases from "vacationing" New Yorkers in March.) With talk of a vaccine by the beginning of next year, it just seems stupid to take any risks whatsoever.

It's not that long. In the meantime, let's continue to interact electronically. We could do our own zoom session. You will point out how "notional" the hazard is, and I will have to admit that I actually have no first-hand experience with the disease, what-so-ever. I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease. It is still, for me, a media event. A cultural meme. Pray God it remains that way.

So let's plan to meet "on the other side.".

You take care!

Nick
Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:10 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson

Nick,

Your Earthlink email address (the only other one I have) bounced. I am in Santa Fe for a couple of days, until July 2.

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thompnickson2

Re: Nick Thompson

Thanks, Dave.

These ARE the times that try men’s souls. Striking how careful THEY were.

Glad you are looking out for yourself.

I announced to the family – we have social distance Sunday dinner – that all I want for my birthday (Jan 29) is a vaccination.

Nick

Nicholas Thompson

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Clark University

[hidden email]

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:45 PM
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Still think about whether or not I was reckless or reasonable. Do know I felt better about myself and value system.

davew

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, at 10:23 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

David,

[hidden email] works just fine or [hidden email] .

I am really, REALLY sorry but I don't think we should meet. I just told my "pod" that I think that, with the rising cases in neighboring states, Santa Fe has started to get more dangerous again, and that we should we should be even more careful than we have been. (Rural Western Massachusetts got a lot of cases from "vacationing" New Yorkers in March.) With talk of a vaccine by the beginning of next year, it just seems stupid to take any risks whatsoever.

It's not that long. In the meantime, let's continue to interact electronically. We could do our own zoom session. You will point out how "notional" the hazard is, and I will have to admit that I actually have no first-hand experience with the disease, what-so-ever. I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease. It is still, for me, a media event. A cultural meme. Pray God it remains that way.

So let's plan to meet "on the other side.".

You take care!

Nick
Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

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Nick,

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David Eric Smith

Re: Nick Thompson

In reply to this post by thompnickson2

I believe my brother has had it.

When he is well enough to move around and not infect anybody else he intends to go get tested for antibodies. Maybe another week.

Said it was one of the three worst illnesses of his life so far, though it looks like mostly extreme fatigue and lassitude; not evident trouble breathing. And he is 7 years younger than I am.

Eric

On Jun 28, 2020, at 1:23 AM, <[hidden email]> <[hidden email]> wrote:

David,

[hidden email] works just fine or [hidden email] .

I am really, REALLY sorry but I don't think we should meet. I just told my "pod" that I think that, with the rising cases in neighboring states, Santa Fe has started to get more dangerous again, and that we should we should be even more careful than we have been. (Rural Western Massachusetts got a lot of cases from "vacationing" New Yorkers in March.) With talk of a vaccine by the beginning of next year, it just seems stupid to take any risks whatsoever.

It's not that long. In the meantime, let's continue to interact electronically. We could do our own zoom session. You will point out how "notional" the hazard is, and I will have to admit that I actually have no first-hand experience with the disease, what-so-ever. I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease. It is still, for me, a media event. A cultural meme. Pray God it remains that way.

So let's plan to meet "on the other side.".

You take care!

Nick
Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

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Nick,

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Frank Wimberly-2

Re: Nick Thompson

One third of all black Americans know a person who has had Covid-19. So says CBS Sunday Morning.

Frank

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On Sun, Jun 28, 2020, 4:18 AM David Eric Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

I believe my brother has had it.

When he is well enough to move around and not infect anybody else he intends to go get tested for antibodies. Maybe another week.

Said it was one of the three worst illnesses of his life so far, though it looks like mostly extreme fatigue and lassitude; not evident trouble breathing. And he is 7 years younger than I am.

Eric

On Jun 28, 2020, at 1:23 AM, <[hidden email]> <[hidden email]> wrote:

David,

[hidden email] works just fine or [hidden email] .

I am really, REALLY sorry but I don't think we should meet. I just told my "pod" that I think that, with the rising cases in neighboring states, Santa Fe has started to get more dangerous again, and that we should we should be even more careful than we have been. (Rural Western Massachusetts got a lot of cases from "vacationing" New Yorkers in March.) With talk of a vaccine by the beginning of next year, it just seems stupid to take any risks whatsoever.

It's not that long. In the meantime, let's continue to interact electronically. We could do our own zoom session. You will point out how "notional" the hazard is, and I will have to admit that I actually have no first-hand experience with the disease, what-so-ever. I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease. It is still, for me, a media event. A cultural meme. Pray God it remains that way.

So let's plan to meet "on the other side.".

You take care!

Nick
Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

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Nick,

Your Earthlink email address (the only other one I have) bounced. I am in Santa Fe for a couple of days, until July 2.

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Gary Schiltz-4

Re: Nick Thompson

Interesting. I didn't see the show, but might watch it on their web site. Did they mention what proportion of white Americans know someone who has had Covid-19?

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 9:47 AM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:

One third of all black Americans know a person who has had Covid-19. So says CBS Sunday Morning.

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On Sun, Jun 28, 2020, 4:18 AM David Eric Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
I believe my brother has had it.

When he is well enough to move around and not infect anybody else he intends to go get tested for antibodies. Maybe another week.

Said it was one of the three worst illnesses of his life so far, though it looks like mostly extreme fatigue and lassitude; not evident trouble breathing. And he is 7 years younger than I am.

Eric

On Jun 28, 2020, at 1:23 AM, <[hidden email]> <[hidden email]> wrote:

David,

[hidden email] works just fine or [hidden email] .

I am really, REALLY sorry but I don't think we should meet. I just told my "pod" that I think that, with the rising cases in neighboring states, Santa Fe has started to get more dangerous again, and that we should we should be even more careful than we have been. (Rural Western Massachusetts got a lot of cases from "vacationing" New Yorkers in March.) With talk of a vaccine by the beginning of next year, it just seems stupid to take any risks whatsoever.

It's not that long. In the meantime, let's continue to interact electronically. We could do our own zoom session. You will point out how "notional" the hazard is, and I will have to admit that I actually have no first-hand experience with the disease, what-so-ever. I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease. It is still, for me, a media event. A cultural meme. Pray God it remains that way.

So let's plan to meet "on the other side.".

You take care!

Nick
Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

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Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:10 AM
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Nick,

Your Earthlink email address (the only other one I have) bounced. I am in Santa Fe for a couple of days, until July 2.

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Frank Wimberly-2

Re: Nick Thompson

They did not but I'm sure it's far smaller than 1/3.

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 2:08 PM Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote:

Interesting. I didn't see the show, but might watch it on their web site. Did they mention what proportion of white Americans know someone who has had Covid-19?

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 9:47 AM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:
One third of all black Americans know a person who has had Covid-19. So says CBS Sunday Morning.

Frank

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On Sun, Jun 28, 2020, 4:18 AM David Eric Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
I believe my brother has had it.

When he is well enough to move around and not infect anybody else he intends to go get tested for antibodies. Maybe another week.

Said it was one of the three worst illnesses of his life so far, though it looks like mostly extreme fatigue and lassitude; not evident trouble breathing. And he is 7 years younger than I am.

Eric

On Jun 28, 2020, at 1:23 AM, <[hidden email]> <[hidden email]> wrote:

David,

[hidden email] works just fine or [hidden email] .

I am really, REALLY sorry but I don't think we should meet. I just told my "pod" that I think that, with the rising cases in neighboring states, Santa Fe has started to get more dangerous again, and that we should we should be even more careful than we have been. (Rural Western Massachusetts got a lot of cases from "vacationing" New Yorkers in March.) With talk of a vaccine by the beginning of next year, it just seems stupid to take any risks whatsoever.

It's not that long. In the meantime, let's continue to interact electronically. We could do our own zoom session. You will point out how "notional" the hazard is, and I will have to admit that I actually have no first-hand experience with the disease, what-so-ever. I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease. It is still, for me, a media event. A cultural meme. Pray God it remains that way.

So let's plan to meet "on the other side.".

You take care!

Nick
Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:10 AM
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Subject: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson

Nick,

Your Earthlink email address (the only other one I have) bounced. I am in Santa Fe for a couple of days, until July 2.

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Frank Wimberly-2

Re: Nick Thompson

By the way, I just had a Zoom reunion with my fellow graduate students from Carnegie Mellon from the years 1967-1973 more or less. I had forgotten that one of them had Covid-19. Stu Card wrote a book with Allen Newell on human-computer interaction in which they develop a model of the human user. Stu has recovered despite having an "underlying condition".

Frank

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 3:12 PM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:

They did not but I'm sure it's far smaller than 1/3.

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 2:08 PM Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote:
Interesting. I didn't see the show, but might watch it on their web site. Did they mention what proportion of white Americans know someone who has had Covid-19?

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 9:47 AM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:
One third of all black Americans know a person who has had Covid-19. So says CBS Sunday Morning.

Frank

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On Sun, Jun 28, 2020, 4:18 AM David Eric Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
I believe my brother has had it.

When he is well enough to move around and not infect anybody else he intends to go get tested for antibodies. Maybe another week.

Said it was one of the three worst illnesses of his life so far, though it looks like mostly extreme fatigue and lassitude; not evident trouble breathing. And he is 7 years younger than I am.

Eric

On Jun 28, 2020, at 1:23 AM, <[hidden email]> <[hidden email]> wrote:

David,

[hidden email] works just fine or [hidden email] .

I am really, REALLY sorry but I don't think we should meet. I just told my "pod" that I think that, with the rising cases in neighboring states, Santa Fe has started to get more dangerous again, and that we should we should be even more careful than we have been. (Rural Western Massachusetts got a lot of cases from "vacationing" New Yorkers in March.) With talk of a vaccine by the beginning of next year, it just seems stupid to take any risks whatsoever.

It's not that long. In the meantime, let's continue to interact electronically. We could do our own zoom session. You will point out how "notional" the hazard is, and I will have to admit that I actually have no first-hand experience with the disease, what-so-ever. I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease. It is still, for me, a media event. A cultural meme. Pray God it remains that way.

So let's plan to meet "on the other side.".

You take care!

Nick
Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:10 AM
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Subject: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson

Nick,

Your Earthlink email address (the only other one I have) bounced. I am in Santa Fe for a couple of days, until July 2.

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