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Jack Stafurik

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NM will have a supercomputer that will be free for in-state residents and businesses. The link below has the details, but to summarize:

1) 3,500 Intel quad-core Xeon processors with 28 terabytes memory
2) Startup next summer
3) Housed at Intel in Rio Rancho
4) Run by state Dept of Info Technology with full time staff
5) Funded by $42 million from State ($14m this year, $11m next)

I wonder if this is what Dave Breeker was referring to?

Jack Stafurik

http://www.abqjournal.com/news/state/607649nm11-03-07.htm
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Prof David West

NM Free Supercomputer

it is - David's proposal is derives from and extends the proposal that
led to state funding of the supercomputer.

On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 16:35:53 -0600, "Jack Stafurik"
<jstafurik at earthlink.net> said:

> NM will have a supercomputer that will be free for in-state residents and
> businesses. The link below has the details, but to summarize:
>
> 1) 3,500 Intel quad-core Xeon processors with 28 terabytes memory
> 2) Startup next summer
> 3) Housed at Intel in Rio Rancho
> 4) Run by state Dept of Info Technology with full time staff
> 5) Funded by $42 million from State ($14m this year, $11m next)
>
> I wonder if this is what Dave Breeker was referring to?
>
> Jack Stafurik
>
> http://www.abqjournal.com/news/state/607649nm11-03-07.htm

Tom Johnson

NM Free Supercomputer

Perhaps a wonderful start, but how do we connect to it? Rail Runner?

-tj

On 11/4/07, Prof David West <profwest at fastmail.fm> wrote:

>
>
> it is - David's proposal is derives from and extends the proposal that
> led to state funding of the supercomputer.
>
> On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 16:35:53 -0600, "Jack Stafurik"
> <jstafurik at earthlink.net> said:
> > NM will have a supercomputer that will be free for in-state residents and
> > businesses. The link below has the details, but to summarize:
> >
> > 1) 3,500 Intel quad-core Xeon processors with 28 terabytes memory
> > 2) Startup next summer
> > 3) Housed at Intel in Rio Rancho
> > 4) Run by state Dept of Info Technology with full time staff
> > 5) Funded by $42 million from State ($14m this year, $11m next)
> >
> > I wonder if this is what Dave Breeker was referring to?
> >
> > Jack Stafurik
> >
> > http://www.abqjournal.com/news/state/607649nm11-03-07.htm
>
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Owen Densmore

NM Free Supercomputer

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On Nov 4, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Tom Johnson wrote:
> Perhaps a wonderful start, but how do we connect to it? Rail Runner?

My guess is "upload and run and download results". Sorta like our
current render-farm work.

But, for me, the really tough question is, as always: what
architecture do we use for parallel computing software?

For example, do we know what the hardware details are? I.e. what is
the memory/processor topology? Is it a grid? Cluster? Is there an
intel framework of some sort they are promoting? Is there a version
of Java on the device that has processor-per-thread capability?

Unfortunately, "super-computing" is ill-defined as of yet.

So my two cents worth on what we might do with such a critter is to
get a grant for building an ABM architecture, starting with your
basic MVC framework, and then adapting it to the processor/memory
architecture of the intel device.

-- Owen

On Nov 4, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Tom Johnson wrote:

> Perhaps a wonderful start, but how do we connect to it? Rail Runner?
>
> -tj
>
> On 11/4/07, Prof David West <profwest at fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>
>>
>> it is - David's proposal is derives from and extends the proposal
>> that
>> led to state funding of the supercomputer.
>>
>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 16:35:53 -0600, "Jack Stafurik"
>> <jstafurik at earthlink.net> said:
>>> NM will have a supercomputer that will be free for in-state
>>> residents and
>>> businesses. The link below has the details, but to summarize:
>>>
>>> 1) 3,500 Intel quad-core Xeon processors with 28 terabytes memory
>>> 2) Startup next summer
>>> 3) Housed at Intel in Rio Rancho
>>> 4) Run by state Dept of Info Technology with full time staff
>>> 5) Funded by $42 million from State ($14m this year, $11m next)
>>>
>>> I wonder if this is what Dave Breeker was referring to?
>>>
>>> Jack Stafurik
>>>
>>> http://www.abqjournal.com/news/state/607649nm11-03-07.htm
>>
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>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
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>
>
> --
> ==========================================
> J. T. Johnson
> Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA
> www.analyticjournalism.com
> 505.577.6482(c) 505.473.9646(h)
> http://www.jtjohnson.com tom at jtjohnson.com
>
> "You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
> To change something, build a new model that makes the
> existing model obsolete."
> -- Buckminster
> Fuller
> ==========================================
>
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> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
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Marcus G. Daniels

NM Free Supercomputer

In reply to this post by Jack Stafurik

Jack Stafurik wrote:
> NM will have a supercomputer that will be free for in-state residents
> and businesses. The link below has the details, but to summarize:
>
> 1) 3,500 Intel quad-core Xeon processors with 28 terabytes memory
Huh, I thought SGI was obligated with Intel to use Itanium in all of its
computers.. (?)

Douglas Roberts-2

NM Free Supercomputer

That would certainly be consistent with SGI's business roadmap for planned
obsolescence.

--Doug

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On Nov 6, 2007 7:24 AM, Marcus G. Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:

>
> Huh, I thought SGI was obligated with Intel to use Itanium in all of its
> computers.. (?)
>
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Douglas Roberts-2

NM Free Supercomputer

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Marcus,

The story I got a few of years ago when SGI was just about to come out with
the Altix 3000 was that SGI had decided early on to adopt the Itantium 64
processor. This info was presented to us by one of the members of the Altix
development team, back in early 2005, I believe. We were told that there
was a lot of tuning and tie ins to processor channels that were required to
make optimum use of the Itanium with their NUMA architecture.
Unfortunately, this was (just) before AMD came out with the Opteron 64.
SGI's timing was just a bit off, as usual. Had they been just a bit later
to market with the Altix, they might well be running AMD 64-bit processors
today instead of the dead-end IA-64. As it was, SGI brought the Altix (neat
machine, btw) to market just as industry was adopting the Opteron in
preference to Itanium for 64-bit computing.

I am not aware of any obligations that SGI has for using Itanium processors
in their systems, however.

--Doug

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doug at parrot-farm.net
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505-670-8195 - Cell

On Nov 6, 2007 7:24 AM, Marcus G. Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:

> Jack Stafurik wrote:
> > NM will have a supercomputer that will be free for in-state residents
> > and businesses. The link below has the details, but to summarize:
> >
> > 1) 3,500 Intel quad-core Xeon processors with 28 terabytes memory
> Huh, I thought SGI was obligated with Intel to use Itanium in all of its
> computers.. (?)
>
> ============================================================
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> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>

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Russell Standish

NM Free Supercomputer

Given that the Altix runs Linux, and you compile your code from
sources using the high performance compiler from Intel, the Altixes
are damn fine machines. I have access to a baby 4 processor Altix
pretty much all to myself, so I know.

Their main problem is expense, and as of about the middle of last
year, the latest EMT64 Intel processors outperform the Itaniums, so we
have by and larged switched to that architecture. Plus, our main
customers want Windows versions of the software, and if anything is
sucky and buggy, it is Windows running on Itanium. Don't go there if
you can avoid it.

Cheers

On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 08:30:34AM -0700, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> Marcus,
>
> The story I got a few of years ago when SGI was just about to come out with
> the Altix 3000 was that SGI had decided early on to adopt the Itantium 64
> processor. This info was presented to us by one of the members of the Altix
> development team, back in early 2005, I believe. We were told that there
> was a lot of tuning and tie ins to processor channels that were required to
> make optimum use of the Itanium with their NUMA architecture.
> Unfortunately, this was (just) before AMD came out with the Opteron 64.
> SGI's timing was just a bit off, as usual. Had they been just a bit later
> to market with the Altix, they might well be running AMD 64-bit processors
> today instead of the dead-end IA-64. As it was, SGI brought the Altix (neat
> machine, btw) to market just as industry was adopting the Opteron in
> preference to Itanium for 64-bit computing.
>
> I am not aware of any obligations that SGI has for using Itanium processors
> in their systems, however.
>
> --Doug
>
> --
> Doug Roberts, RTI International
> droberts at rti.org
> doug at parrot-farm.net
> 505-455-7333 - Office
> 505-670-8195 - Cell
>
> On Nov 6, 2007 7:24 AM, Marcus G. Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:
>
> > Jack Stafurik wrote:
> > > NM will have a supercomputer that will be free for in-state residents
> > > and businesses. The link below has the details, but to summarize:
> > >
> > > 1) 3,500 Intel quad-core Xeon processors with 28 terabytes memory
> > Huh, I thought SGI was obligated with Intel to use Itanium in all of its
> > computers.. (?)
> >
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> >

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> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
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Marcus G. Daniels

NM Free Supercomputer

In reply to this post by Douglas Roberts-2

Douglas Roberts wrote:
> I am not aware of any obligations that SGI has for using Itanium
> processors in their systems, however.
If they ever did, apparently not anymore, as the NMCAC machine is still
called an Altix (an ICE 8200).
http://www.sgi.com/products/servers/altix/ice/index.html

I see it made the latest Top500 list.
http://www.top500.org/list/2007/11/100 at, holy crap, number 3!
(as benchmarked in the SGI factory in Chippewa Falls, WI)

Marcus