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R. When quine used taxanomic species as the model for a “natural kind”, I knew that “natural kinds” were not a natural kind. If natural kinds were “aspirations”, is “The Tree” a failed aspiration? Can scorpions sting themselves? N Nick Thompson https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow This is sort of fun https://eukaryotewritesblog.com/2021/05/02/theres-no-such-thing-as-a-tree/, just in case you thought the categories of "tree" and "wood" had any coherent biological or evolutionary meaning. -- rec -- - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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Hang on, here, Jon.
What about deleuze? n Nick Thompson [hidden email] https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -----Original Message----- From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of jon zingale Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 11:24 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Morphogenisis Wonderful read, thanks for that. I like the question, "Why do trees keep happening?" It is almost as if *regions* of our environment keep *learning* to become trees. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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Tell me more, Nick. I am unsure what it is I am supposed to respond to.
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Ahh. found it in Gmail. Outlook is failing me. mine was a bit of a hail mary. I wanted to point out to you the possible contradiction between Deleuze and the notion that a tree could repeat itself. N On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 11:24 AM jon zingale <[hidden email]> wrote: Wonderful read, thanks for that. I like the question, "Why do trees keep - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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Please understand the context for my writing here: while waiting with
bated breath for EricS's response to my prodding[0], I am working to better understand the larger discussion and to read EricS's paper[1]. Lately, I am working to extend grace to others in their attempts to describe the world. For instance, when Chemero offers a dynamical systems alternative to computation, I recognize that my knee jerks are perhaps simply my own. He may mean something that I have yet to understand and that projecting my own sense that dynamical systems are *just* systems of differential (or difference) equations will cause a break from grace and that I will lose an opportunity. Similarly, I am working to understand Roger's blogger in a context that reconciles Chemero and Valiant (and why shouldn't I? Roger posted his post in response to my own). All the while, I hope to continue to allow the insights offered by Deleuze[2] to nourish these connections and to help me make sense of any emergent meaning. Oh well, in the meantime, back to Haldane and 150 years of attempts to characterize fitness, back to evolutions involving ideal functions that specify proteins and their relations, back to wondering how the notion of functor could help to clarify that we are not simply concerned with transitions between sets, but some hopefully specifiable excess of meaning. [0] http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/no-subject-td7601231.html#a7601880 [1] And yes, I have many other questions there not applicable to this thread as of yet. For instance, how is a hypergraph different than a topology? Are hypergraphs also generalizations of topologies? [2] For instance, his insights into the differences between generality and universality, and their duals(?), particularity and singularity. While there is quite a bit of prodding that I owe you regarding what I read as ambiguity about universality and generality among the pragmaticists, the bigger fish to fry is that you are not so likely to accept the possibility (reality?) of the singular. With all of the forces that contributors to this forum supply, what is a poor boy to do? -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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While there is quite a bit of prodding that I owe you regarding what I read as ambiguity about universality and generality among the pragmatists*, the bigger fish to fry is that you are not so likely to accept the possibility (reality?) of the singular. With all of the forces that contributors to this forum supply, what is a poor boy to do? Indeed! I ask myself that question every day? Nick Thompson https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -----Original Message----- Please understand the context for my writing here: while waiting with bated breath for EricS's response to my prodding[0], I am working to better understand the larger discussion and to read EricS's paper[1]. Lately, I am working to extend grace to others in their attempts to describe the world. For instance, when Chemero offers a dynamical systems alternative to computation, I recognize that my knee jerks are perhaps simply my own. He may mean something that I have yet to understand and that projecting my own sense that dynamical systems are *just* systems of differential (or difference) equations will cause a break from grace and that I will lose an opportunity. Similarly, I am working to understand Roger's blogger in a context that reconciles Chemero and Valiant (and why shouldn't I? Roger posted his post in response to my own). All the while, I hope to continue to allow the insights offered by Deleuze[2] to nourish these connections and to help me make sense of any emergent meaning. Oh well, in the meantime, back to Haldane and 150 years of attempts to characterize fitness, back to evolutions involving ideal functions that specify proteins and their relations, back to wondering how the notion of functor could help to clarify that we are not simply concerned with transitions between sets, but some hopefully specifiable excess of meaning. [0] http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/no-subject-td7601231.html#a7601880 [1] And yes, I have many other questions there not applicable to this thread as of yet. For instance, how is a hypergraph different than a topology? Are hypergraphs also generalizations of topologies? [2] For instance, his insights into the differences between generality and universality, and their duals(?), particularity and singularity. While there is quite a bit of prodding that I owe you regarding what I read as ambiguity about universality and generality among the pragmaticists, the bigger fish to fry is that you are not so likely to accept the possibility (reality?) of the singular. With all of the forces that contributors to this forum supply, what is a poor boy to do? -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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> On May 10, 2021, at 4:58 AM, jon zingale <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Please understand the context for my writing here: while waiting with > bated breath for EricS's response to my prodding[0], I am working to > better understand the larger discussion and to read EricS's paper[1]. I will reply, Jon. That one requires that I try to be however careful I can, which makes me slow, and worse, intermittent. Thus,…. Eric - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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:) I very much understand. As slow as you please.
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