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glen ropella

Manifesto Project Database

https://manifesto-project.wzb.eu/

> Welcome to our new database that provides access to the entirety of data and documents that we hold. We continuously import additional files to keep our collection up to date (this applies especially to machine readable texts as well as sentence-based positions). Additionally, we will provide new data error estimates in the near future. If you are using our data or documents please cite according to the hint below.

government organized economy -100 <---> 100 privately organized economy

Ukraine 2007
https://manifesto-project.wzb.eu/elections/687

Blok Lytvyna -8.7
Komunistychna Partiyia Ukrainy -19.1
Socialistychna Partiyia Ukrainy 22.2
Bloc Viktora Iushchenka Nasha Ucraina -12.8
Vibortsyj Bloc Julii Tymoshenko -2.9
Partiya Rehioniv -9.0

USA 2008
https://manifesto-project.wzb.eu/elections/403

Democrats score 11.1
Republicans score 25.3

I find it pretty interesting that the most far right party in the
Ukraine is left of our Republican party. It's not clear to me what "far
right" means in this context. It seems to mean "libertarian" or perhaps
laissez faire.

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glen ropella

Re: Manifesto Project Database

On 12/12/2013 10:55 AM, glen wrote:
> ... in the Ukraine is ...

I don't know where I picked that up... At first, I thought it was
because we say "the US". But that can't be it, since I don't say "the
China" or "the Kansas". I suspect it's going to be as difficult to
train that out of me as it is to try to use "data are".

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Robert Holmes-3

Re: Manifesto Project Database

Careful with that "the", it's got political connotations. The BBC has a good description of the issue: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18233844

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 12:43 PM, glen <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 12/12/2013 10:55 AM, glen wrote:
> ... in the Ukraine is ...

I don't know where I picked that up... At first, I thought it was
because we say "the US". But that can't be it, since I don't say "the
China" or "the Kansas". I suspect it's going to be as difficult to
train that out of me as it is to try to use "data are".

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Steve Smith

Re: Manifesto Project Database

Glen/Robert -

I always thought it fine to use "the" in these contexts...

"the" United States of America emphasizes the plurality of the Federation we began as. States Rights freaks surely would prefer that...

"the" Ukraine suggests to me a region, not a nation-state. Just as we say "the midwest" or "the rockies". I do believe that before it was even a "republic" of the USSR (notice I said "the" USSR, a *plurality* of Republics?) it was a "region" describing geography and ethnicity in a somewhat vaguely bounded way (there may have been borders drawn on colonizers maps, but the people there probably had pretty fuzzy boundaries for "the Ukraine"?).

What I've always been puzzled by is where referring to roadways with "the" became common. I grew up referring to "US 60" or "I 40" or "route 18" not "the 5" or "the 60".... This was chronicled in that famous song "Get your Kicks on Route 66", NOT "Get your Kicks on the 66"! I first thought it was an eastern (USA) affectation that spread... though I first heard it in LA...   it sounded quaint but more like an affectation than a proper way of speaking. But then most of you know I'm a hardhead about just about everything!

- the Steve

Careful with that "the", it's got political connotations. The BBC has a good description of the issue: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18233844

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 12:43 PM, glen <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 12/12/2013 10:55 AM, glen wrote:
> ... in the Ukraine is ...

I don't know where I picked that up... At first, I thought it was
because we say "the US". But that can't be it, since I don't say "the
China" or "the Kansas". I suspect it's going to be as difficult to
train that out of me as it is to try to use "data are".

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Arlo Barnes

Re: Manifesto Project Database

A minor motto / rule of thumb I have is: when confronted with two options without a criterion to arbitrate by (although in this case the name as used in the Constitution is a pretty good criterion), choose the third option. It seems other people have this rule too, as shown by the option to the giff/jiff pronunciation argument of 'zheef'. So I propose a/an Ukraine, seeing that means 'borderland' according to BBC article Robert linked.

Edit: It seems there is agreement that geography and political category tend to induce articles: http://shar.es/OqXYU

As for pluralizing datum, most scientists can overlook common variations as long as you do not say "datas".

-Arlo James Barnes

glen ropella

Re: Manifesto Project Database

On 12/13/2013 01:37 PM, Arlo Barnes wrote:
> As for pluralizing datum, most scientists can overlook common variations as
> long as you do not say "datas".

Ha! I don't think I'll have that problem. I did learn a new one, the
other day:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/datan

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Steve Smith

Re: Manifesto Project Database

I prefer this description of the proper use of Data v Datum:

The concept of a mass (or aggregate?) noun is more important than the distinction of a plural vs singular noun. It is more common to need to talk about a mass or aggregate of datums as data than many distinct datums (data) as data.

Grammatically it would seem to be evidenced in usage like "Data were" vs "Data was"... it doesn't seem all that hard to me... am I missing something?

- Steve

Data

ORIGIN mid 17th cent. (as a term in philosophy): from Latin, plural of DATUM.

USAGE: In Latin, data is the plural of datum and, historically and in specialized scientific fields, it is also treated as a plural in English, taking a plural verb, as in the data were collected and classified. In modern non-scientific use, however, despite the complaints of traditionalists, it is often not treated as a plural. Instead, it is treated as a mass noun, similar to a word like information, which cannot normally have a plural and which takes a singular verb. Sentences such as data was (as well as data were) collected over a number of years are now widely accepted in standard English.

On 12/13/2013 01:37 PM, Arlo Barnes wrote:

As for pluralizing datum, most scientists can overlook common variations as
long as you do not say "datas".

Ha!  I don't think I'll have that problem.  I did learn a new one, the
other day:

   http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/datan

Arlo Barnes

Re: Manifesto Project Database

A rather hackish proxy, but ngram here.

Datan is interesting (Spanish for "they date [the wreck to 1408]") but apparently exclusively non-English/[Modern/Pseudo/Late/regular]Latin?

-Arlo

glen ep ropella

Re: Manifesto Project Database

On 12/13/2013 04:57 PM, Arlo Barnes wrote:
> A rather hackish proxy, but ngram
> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=data+were%2Cdata+was&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t4%3B%2Cdata%20were%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bdata%20were%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BData%20were%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2Cdata%20was%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bdata%20was%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BData%20was%3B%2Cc0> here.

Nice! Thanks for the ngram link. "ukraine, the ukraine" is interesting
as well. A significant separation started in 1915.

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presumptive meaning determination. -- Gabbay & Woods in "The Reach of
Abduction"

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