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Alfredo Covaleda Vélez
Douglas

I posted part of this lines in your blog at Linux Journal. I enhance it a little. I just installed Linux Mint 9 in my EeePC 701 replacing ubuntu 10-04. I'm pretty satisfied with Isadora (All Mint releases have had women names). Last weekend I tried to install several distributions and it only was successful installation of Linux Mint and gNewSense. gNewSense is pure free software and because of this reason some controllers have been removed from his Debian Kernel. Some of them are wireless controllers and a netbook without wireless doesn't make sense. That was one of the reasons why I tried to install Linux Mint. Except for sd card, everything is working fine with Mint distro. I like the small size of packages installed by default. It allowed me to install Glade, Geany, Eclipse, JDK, BlueJ, Dia, Ruby, Valac, PHP and all related libraries associated to all of them and despite ( I made a mistake in this part in my linux journal post.. my English is bad enough) the tiny solid state disc, it still has space to install a database and maybe other program like Umbrello or ArgoUML. Linux Mint is by far the best of the four distros that my Asus has had.

In other old pc, a desktop, I installed Salix. A distro based in Slackware. It's really nice and runs fine despite the limitations of hardware in that desktop. It was what I was looking for. I like all these new distros with environments developed using GTK libraries and are good to run in old hardware. That's fine.

I'm developing a simulator using php-gtk. I don't know why but I like GTK and I like to think (without a real reason) that GTK libraries are the future of the software.

Alfredo

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Re: Linux Mint

Douglas Roberts-2
Thanks, Alfredo.  Be aware that there is a bug in Mint 9 which will prevent you from using the Startup Disc Creator utility.  From a pair of comments on the article:


The Mint Startup Disk Creater utility used to create bootable USB drives and CD's does not work on either of my two Mint 9 systems. The USB images that they create for the Ubuntu 10.10 desktop and netbook iso images fail to boot, giving the message "Unrecognized keyword in configuration file".

It's a known bug, the syslinux version doesn't recognize the 'ui' keyword in syslinux.cfg .
If you remove it it works. This was a fix in the updates of 10.04, so maybe mint is still going to get the fix.

Aside from a few bugs like the one above, I've generally been happy with Mint 9.  

--Doug

2010/10/12 Alfredo Covaleda Vélez <[hidden email]>
Douglas

I posted part of this lines in your blog at Linux Journal. I enhance it a little. I just installed Linux Mint 9 in my EeePC 701 replacing ubuntu 10-04. I'm pretty satisfied with Isadora (All Mint releases have had women names). Last weekend I tried to install several distributions and it only was successful installation of Linux Mint and gNewSense. gNewSense is pure free software and because of this reason some controllers have been removed from his Debian Kernel. Some of them are wireless controllers and a netbook without wireless doesn't make sense. That was one of the reasons why I tried to install Linux Mint. Except for sd card, everything is working fine with Mint distro. I like the small size of packages installed by default. It allowed me to install Glade, Geany, Eclipse, JDK, BlueJ, Dia, Ruby, Valac, PHP and all related libraries associated to all of them and despite ( I made a mistake in this part in my linux journal post.. my English is bad enough) the tiny solid state disc, it still has space to install a database and maybe other program like Umbrello or ArgoUML. Linux Mint is by far the best of the four distros that my Asus has had.

In other old pc, a desktop, I installed Salix. A distro based in Slackware. It's really nice and runs fine despite the limitations of hardware in that desktop. It was what I was looking for. I like all these new distros with environments developed using GTK libraries and are good to run in old hardware. That's fine.

I'm developing a simulator using php-gtk. I don't know why but I like GTK and I like to think (without a real reason) that GTK libraries are the future of the software.

Alfredo

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Re: Linux Mint

Russell Standish
OpenSUSE (from Novell) still has the same bug! Not that it even offers
to make USB drives, but for those in the need and the know, one of the
things you need to do is comment out the ui line.

Cheers

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 07:48:21AM -0600, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> Thanks, Alfredo.  Be aware that there is a bug in Mint 9 which will prevent
> you from using the Startup Disc Creator utility.  From a pair of comments on
> the article:
>
> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-mint-fail
>
>
> The Mint Startup Disk Creater utility used to create bootable USB drives and
> CD's does not work on either of my two Mint 9 systems. The USB images that
> they create for the Ubuntu 10.10 desktop and netbook iso images fail to
> boot, giving the message "Unrecognized keyword in configuration file".
>
> It's a known bug, the syslinux version doesn't recognize the 'ui' keyword in
> syslinux.cfg .
> If you remove it it works. This was a fix in the updates of 10.04, so maybe
> mint is still going to get the fix.
>
> Aside from a few bugs like the one above, I've generally been happy with
> Mint 9.
>
> --Doug
>
> 2010/10/12 Alfredo Covaleda Vélez <[hidden email]>
>
> > Douglas
> >
> > I posted part of this lines in your blog at Linux Journal. I enhance it a
> > little. I just installed Linux Mint 9 in my EeePC 701 replacing ubuntu
> > 10-04. I'm pretty satisfied with Isadora (All Mint releases have had women
> > names). Last weekend I tried to install several distributions and it only
> > was successful installation of Linux Mint and gNewSense. gNewSense is pure
> > free software and because of this reason some controllers have been removed
> > from his Debian Kernel. Some of them are wireless controllers and a netbook
> > without wireless doesn't make sense. That was one of the reasons why I tried
> > to install Linux Mint. Except for sd card, everything is working fine with
> > Mint distro. I like the small size of packages installed by default. It
> > allowed me to install Glade, Geany, Eclipse, JDK, BlueJ, Dia, Ruby, Valac,
> > PHP and all related libraries associated to all of them and despite ( I made
> > a mistake in this part in my linux journal post.. my English is bad enough)
> > the tiny solid state disc, it still has space to install a database and
> > maybe other program like Umbrello or ArgoUML. Linux Mint is by far the best
> > of the four distros that my Asus has had.
> >
> > In other old pc, a desktop, I installed Salix. A distro based in Slackware.
> > It's really nice and runs fine despite the limitations of hardware in that
> > desktop. It was what I was looking for. I like all these new distros with
> > environments developed using GTK libraries and are good to run in old
> > hardware. That's fine.
> >
> > I'm developing a simulator using php-gtk. I don't know why but I like GTK
> > and I like to think (without a real reason) that GTK libraries are the
> > future of the software.
> >
> > Alfredo
> >
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> >

> ============================================================
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> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org


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Re: Linux Mint

Douglas Roberts-2
Yikes!

Well, I'm switching back to Ubuntu, going with the latest 10.10.

--Doug

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Russell Standish <[hidden email]> wrote:
OpenSUSE (from Novell) still has the same bug! Not that it even offers
to make USB drives, but for those in the need and the know, one of the
things you need to do is comment out the ui line.

Cheers

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 07:48:21AM -0600, Douglas Roberts wrote:
> Thanks, Alfredo.  Be aware that there is a bug in Mint 9 which will prevent
> you from using the Startup Disc Creator utility.  From a pair of comments on
> the article:
>
> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-mint-fail
>
>
> The Mint Startup Disk Creater utility used to create bootable USB drives and
> CD's does not work on either of my two Mint 9 systems. The USB images that
> they create for the Ubuntu 10.10 desktop and netbook iso images fail to
> boot, giving the message "Unrecognized keyword in configuration file".
>
> It's a known bug, the syslinux version doesn't recognize the 'ui' keyword in
> syslinux.cfg .
> If you remove it it works. This was a fix in the updates of 10.04, so maybe
> mint is still going to get the fix.
>
> Aside from a few bugs like the one above, I've generally been happy with
> Mint 9.
>
> --Doug
>
> 2010/10/12 Alfredo Covaleda Vélez <[hidden email]>
>
> > Douglas
> >
> > I posted part of this lines in your blog at Linux Journal. I enhance it a
> > little. I just installed Linux Mint 9 in my EeePC 701 replacing ubuntu
> > 10-04. I'm pretty satisfied with Isadora (All Mint releases have had women
> > names). Last weekend I tried to install several distributions and it only
> > was successful installation of Linux Mint and gNewSense. gNewSense is pure
> > free software and because of this reason some controllers have been removed
> > from his Debian Kernel. Some of them are wireless controllers and a netbook
> > without wireless doesn't make sense. That was one of the reasons why I tried
> > to install Linux Mint. Except for sd card, everything is working fine with
> > Mint distro. I like the small size of packages installed by default. It
> > allowed me to install Glade, Geany, Eclipse, JDK, BlueJ, Dia, Ruby, Valac,
> > PHP and all related libraries associated to all of them and despite ( I made
> > a mistake in this part in my linux journal post.. my English is bad enough)
> > the tiny solid state disc, it still has space to install a database and
> > maybe other program like Umbrello or ArgoUML. Linux Mint is by far the best
> > of the four distros that my Asus has had.
> >
> > In other old pc, a desktop, I installed Salix. A distro based in Slackware.
> > It's really nice and runs fine despite the limitations of hardware in that
> > desktop. It was what I was looking for. I like all these new distros with
> > environments developed using GTK libraries and are good to run in old
> > hardware. That's fine.
> >
> > I'm developing a simulator using php-gtk. I don't know why but I like GTK
> > and I like to think (without a real reason) that GTK libraries are the
> > future of the software.
> >
> > Alfredo
> >
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> >

> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org


--

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Mathematics
UNSW SYDNEY 2052                         [hidden email]
Australia                                http://www.hpcoders.com.au
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Doug Roberts
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Re: Linux Mint

Russell Standish
Its that delicate balance between upgrading too often and not
upgrading often enough. Having been through a disasterous OpenSUSE
11.2 on my netbook (11.1 didn't support the WiFi on my new computer),
and now on 11.3, which is more solid, I am feeling a bit in the
upgrading too often camp. I do still have a problem with Flash 10
audio, if anybody has some pointers, I'd be grateful.

It makes me pine for the simplicity of Slackware :). At least you know
what you've got and where to go for help. With SUSE, things are much
more user friendly, but when things go wrong, it is really hard to
figure stuff out (like Windows). However, one of my customers is with
SUSE, so it makes sense that I invest in the distro.

Cheers

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 02:45:32PM -0600, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> Yikes!
>
> Well, I'm switching back to Ubuntu, going with the latest 10.10.
>
> --Doug
>
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Russell Standish <[hidden email]>wrote:
>
> > OpenSUSE (from Novell) still has the same bug! Not that it even offers
> > to make USB drives, but for those in the need and the know, one of the
> > things you need to do is comment out the ui line.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 07:48:21AM -0600, Douglas Roberts wrote:
> > > Thanks, Alfredo.  Be aware that there is a bug in Mint 9 which will
> > prevent
> > > you from using the Startup Disc Creator utility.  From a pair of comments
> > on
> > > the article:
> > >
> > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-mint-fail
> > >
> > >
> > > The Mint Startup Disk Creater utility used to create bootable USB drives
> > and
> > > CD's does not work on either of my two Mint 9 systems. The USB images
> > that
> > > they create for the Ubuntu 10.10 desktop and netbook iso images fail to
> > > boot, giving the message "Unrecognized keyword in configuration file".
> > >
> > > It's a known bug, the syslinux version doesn't recognize the 'ui' keyword
> > in
> > > syslinux.cfg .
> > > If you remove it it works. This was a fix in the updates of 10.04, so
> > maybe
> > > mint is still going to get the fix.
> > >
> > > Aside from a few bugs like the one above, I've generally been happy with
> > > Mint 9.
> > >
> > > --Doug
> > >
> > > 2010/10/12 Alfredo Covaleda Vélez <[hidden email]>
> > >
> > > > Douglas
> > > >
> > > > I posted part of this lines in your blog at Linux Journal. I enhance it
> > a
> > > > little. I just installed Linux Mint 9 in my EeePC 701 replacing ubuntu
> > > > 10-04. I'm pretty satisfied with Isadora (All Mint releases have had
> > women
> > > > names). Last weekend I tried to install several distributions and it
> > only
> > > > was successful installation of Linux Mint and gNewSense. gNewSense is
> > pure
> > > > free software and because of this reason some controllers have been
> > removed
> > > > from his Debian Kernel. Some of them are wireless controllers and a
> > netbook
> > > > without wireless doesn't make sense. That was one of the reasons why I
> > tried
> > > > to install Linux Mint. Except for sd card, everything is working fine
> > with
> > > > Mint distro. I like the small size of packages installed by default. It
> > > > allowed me to install Glade, Geany, Eclipse, JDK, BlueJ, Dia, Ruby,
> > Valac,
> > > > PHP and all related libraries associated to all of them and despite ( I
> > made
> > > > a mistake in this part in my linux journal post.. my English is bad
> > enough)
> > > > the tiny solid state disc, it still has space to install a database and
> > > > maybe other program like Umbrello or ArgoUML. Linux Mint is by far the
> > best
> > > > of the four distros that my Asus has had.
> > > >
> > > > In other old pc, a desktop, I installed Salix. A distro based in
> > Slackware.
> > > > It's really nice and runs fine despite the limitations of hardware in
> > that
> > > > desktop. It was what I was looking for. I like all these new distros
> > with
> > > > environments developed using GTK libraries and are good to run in old
> > > > hardware. That's fine.
> > > >
> > > > I'm developing a simulator using php-gtk. I don't know why but I like
> > GTK
> > > > and I like to think (without a real reason) that GTK libraries are the
> > > > future of the software.
> > > >
> > > > Alfredo
> > > >
> > > > ============================================================
> > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> > > >
> >
> > > ============================================================
> > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Prof Russell Standish                  Phone 0425 253119 (mobile)
> > Mathematics
> > UNSW SYDNEY 2052                         [hidden email]
> > Australia                                http://www.hpcoders.com.au
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Doug Roberts
> [hidden email]
> [hidden email]
> 505-455-7333 - Office
> 505-670-8195 - Cell

> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org


--

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Mathematics                        
UNSW SYDNEY 2052                 [hidden email]
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Re: Linux Mint

Douglas Roberts-2
So far as I can tell, the distro with most stable flashplayer plugin is Ubuntu10.4 or 10.10 (or Mint), where it is implemented via the nspluginwrapper.  But flash on Linux basically sucks no matter which distro you have (thanks, Adobe).

--Doug

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Russell Standish <[hidden email]> wrote:
Its that delicate balance between upgrading too often and not
upgrading often enough. Having been through a disasterous OpenSUSE
11.2 on my netbook (11.1 didn't support the WiFi on my new computer),
and now on 11.3, which is more solid, I am feeling a bit in the
upgrading too often camp. I do still have a problem with Flash 10
audio, if anybody has some pointers, I'd be grateful.

It makes me pine for the simplicity of Slackware :). At least you know
what you've got and where to go for help. With SUSE, things are much
more user friendly, but when things go wrong, it is really hard to
figure stuff out (like Windows). However, one of my customers is with
SUSE, so it makes sense that I invest in the distro.

Cheers

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 02:45:32PM -0600, Douglas Roberts wrote:
> Yikes!
>
> Well, I'm switching back to Ubuntu, going with the latest 10.10.
>
> --Doug
>
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Russell Standish <[hidden email]>wrote:
>
> > OpenSUSE (from Novell) still has the same bug! Not that it even offers
> > to make USB drives, but for those in the need and the know, one of the
> > things you need to do is comment out the ui line.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 07:48:21AM -0600, Douglas Roberts wrote:
> > > Thanks, Alfredo.  Be aware that there is a bug in Mint 9 which will
> > prevent
> > > you from using the Startup Disc Creator utility.  From a pair of comments
> > on
> > > the article:
> > >
> > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-mint-fail
> > >
> > >
> > > The Mint Startup Disk Creater utility used to create bootable USB drives
> > and
> > > CD's does not work on either of my two Mint 9 systems. The USB images
> > that
> > > they create for the Ubuntu 10.10 desktop and netbook iso images fail to
> > > boot, giving the message "Unrecognized keyword in configuration file".
> > >
> > > It's a known bug, the syslinux version doesn't recognize the 'ui' keyword
> > in
> > > syslinux.cfg .
> > > If you remove it it works. This was a fix in the updates of 10.04, so
> > maybe
> > > mint is still going to get the fix.
> > >
> > > Aside from a few bugs like the one above, I've generally been happy with
> > > Mint 9.
> > >
> > > --Doug
> > >
> > > 2010/10/12 Alfredo Covaleda Vélez <[hidden email]>
> > >
> > > > Douglas
> > > >
> > > > I posted part of this lines in your blog at Linux Journal. I enhance it
> > a
> > > > little. I just installed Linux Mint 9 in my EeePC 701 replacing ubuntu
> > > > 10-04. I'm pretty satisfied with Isadora (All Mint releases have had
> > women
> > > > names). Last weekend I tried to install several distributions and it
> > only
> > > > was successful installation of Linux Mint and gNewSense. gNewSense is
> > pure
> > > > free software and because of this reason some controllers have been
> > removed
> > > > from his Debian Kernel. Some of them are wireless controllers and a
> > netbook
> > > > without wireless doesn't make sense. That was one of the reasons why I
> > tried
> > > > to install Linux Mint. Except for sd card, everything is working fine
> > with
> > > > Mint distro. I like the small size of packages installed by default. It
> > > > allowed me to install Glade, Geany, Eclipse, JDK, BlueJ, Dia, Ruby,
> > Valac,
> > > > PHP and all related libraries associated to all of them and despite ( I
> > made
> > > > a mistake in this part in my linux journal post.. my English is bad
> > enough)
> > > > the tiny solid state disc, it still has space to install a database and
> > > > maybe other program like Umbrello or ArgoUML. Linux Mint is by far the
> > best
> > > > of the four distros that my Asus has had.
> > > >
> > > > In other old pc, a desktop, I installed Salix. A distro based in
> > Slackware.
> > > > It's really nice and runs fine despite the limitations of hardware in
> > that
> > > > desktop. It was what I was looking for. I like all these new distros
> > with
> > > > environments developed using GTK libraries and are good to run in old
> > > > hardware. That's fine.
> > > >
> > > > I'm developing a simulator using php-gtk. I don't know why but I like
> > GTK
> > > > and I like to think (without a real reason) that GTK libraries are the
> > > > future of the software.
> > > >
> > > > Alfredo
> > > >
> > > > ============================================================
> > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> > > >
> >
> > > ============================================================
> > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Prof Russell Standish                  Phone 0425 253119 (mobile)
> > Mathematics
> > UNSW SYDNEY 2052                         [hidden email]
> > Australia                                http://www.hpcoders.com.au
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Doug Roberts
> [hidden email]
> [hidden email]
> 505-455-7333 - Office
> 505-670-8195 - Cell

> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org


--

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Mathematics
UNSW SYDNEY 2052                         [hidden email]
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--
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[hidden email]
[hidden email]
505-455-7333 - Office
505-670-8195 - Cell

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