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Stephen Guerin

Lake Arrowhead Conference

Looks like Arrowhead is back up and running :-)

-Steve

____________________________________________________
http://www.redfish.com [hidden email]
624 Agua Fria Street office: (505)995-0206
Santa Fe, NM 87501 mobile: (505)577-5828

Dear Colleague,

After two successful years and a break in 2004, we are back with our 3rd
UCLA Human Complex Systems Lake Arrowhead Conference from Wednesday May
18, 2005 through Sunday May 22, 2005!

Website: http://www.hcs.ucla.edu/arrowhead2005.htm

We invite social scientists who employ computational ideas and methods in
their research and teaching. We welcome back all participants from the
past two conferences as well as and especially newcomers.

This years conference is once again at the UCLA Lake Arrowhead Conference
Center http://www.uclaconferencecenter.com. The Center is located at Lake
Arrowhead, a Southern California facility situated at 5000 elevation in
the beautiful San Bernardino Mountains. It is about a two-hour drive from
Los Angeles International Airport.

Advancing agent modeling in the social sciences:

The conference is a forum for sharing the most recent advances - in
theory, methodology and application - in the area of agent modeling
throughout the social sciences (e.g., Anthropology, Communication Studies,
Economics, Geography, History, Political Science, Sociology, Urban
Planning). We also welcome social scientists in professional schools
(e.g., Business, Education, International Relations, Public Health, Public
Policy, Social Welfare) and in the public and private sectors. Researchers
and theorists in Psychology, Media Studies and social aspects of Cognitive
Science, Artificial Intelligence, Robotics and related disciplines also
welcome!

There will be a mix of plenary sessions as well as concurrent sessions on
computational modeling issues, discipline-based research, and special
topics to be proposed. We invite individual paper submissions and session
proposals. We will facilitate another live simulation in the spirit of
last conference's very successful group experience!

We invite papers and sessions on the following topics:

--Agent Modeling Methodologies
--Modeling ApproachesEvolutionary Computation, Cellular Automata, Genetic
Algorithms, Neural Networks, Simulated Annealing
--Model Design IssuesPopulation Complexity, Agent Complexity, Spatial
Complexity
--Robustness and Validity Issues
--Model-to-model Comparisons and Standardization
--Intersections with Mathematics, Human Experiments, Social Epistemology
--Artificial Societies and Artificial Cultures
--Physical and Virtual Robot Societies and Cultures
--Simulating Social Intelligence
--Complexity/Chaos Theory
--Emergent Social Structure
--Social Network Dynamics
--Spatial Analysis
--Game Theory
--Knowledge, Distributed Intelligence and Distributed Cognition
--Governance, Centralization, Decentralization
--Multi-participant Simulated Worlds
--Economy, Culture and other phenomena of Online Communities including
Online Learning Environments
--Agent-Related Systems Dynamics
--Agent diversity/heterogeneity (variation among individual agents)
--Modeling agents' mental models
--Adjudication and conflict resolution in decision making among agents
--Public and Private Sector Applications
--Discipline and Multi- and Inter- Discipline Applications
--Topics of Your Choice

We encourage papers at the cutting-edge of agent-based modeling that are
relevant to the social science community broadly defined. This conference
is model oriented. We look forward to hearing about the models you use!

Paper Publication: Beginning this year, presenters may submit their papers
for permanent web publication within the University of California
E-Scholarship Repository. See the conference website for more details.

Important Dates:

November 15, 2004: Abstract deadline. Abstracts submitted after this
deadline will be put on a waiting list.
December 15, 2004: Notification of abstract acceptance.
January 12, 2005: Payment in full DUE. Cancellations after this point will
be refunded the registration fee minus $180 for processing.
April 15, 2005: No refund after this date.
May 18, 2005 (evening): Conference kick off.
May 21, 2005 (evening): Conference closing.
May 22, 2005 (Sunday): Conference get-away day.

Paper/Session Proposals: Please use the electronic form at the conference
website (http://www.hcs.ucla.edu) to submit your proposal for a paper or a
session, or to indicate you plan to attend. Please register early to
reserve your space! There are currently only 48 slots. Presenters
(first-authors) who submit early and propose compelling abstracts will
have the highest priority. We hope to make more slots available.

We look forward to seeing you!

Sincerely,

UCLA Human Complex Systems (Phil Bonacich, Nicholas Gessler, Susanne
Lohmann, Bill McKelvey, Dario Nardi, Dwight Read, Francis Steen)

Owen Densmore

Lake Arrowhead Conference

Administrator

Prices are a bit higher, I think:
Student: $650
Faculty: $950
Private Sector: $1200

We gotta get friam accredited or affiliated somehow.

Owen

On Aug 26, 2004, at 2:10 AM, Stephen Guerin wrote:

> Looks like Arrowhead is back up and running :-)
>
> -Steve
>
> ____________________________________________________
> http://www.redfish.com [hidden email]
> 624 Agua Fria Street office: (505)995-0206
> Santa Fe, NM 87501 mobile: (505)577-5828
>
> Dear Colleague,
>
> After two successful years and a break in 2004, we are back with our
> 3rd
> UCLA Human Complex Systems Lake Arrowhead Conference from Wednesday May
> 18, 2005 through Sunday May 22, 2005!
>
> Website: http://www.hcs.ucla.edu/arrowhead2005.htm
>
> We invite social scientists who employ computational ideas and methods
> in
> their research and teaching. We welcome back all participants from the
> past two conferences as well as and especially newcomers.
>
> This years conference is once again at the UCLA Lake Arrowhead
> Conference
> Center http://www.uclaconferencecenter.com. The Center is located at
> Lake
> Arrowhead, a Southern California facility situated at 5000 elevation in
> the beautiful San Bernardino Mountains. It is about a two-hour drive
> from
> Los Angeles International Airport.
>
> Advancing agent modeling in the social sciences:
>
> The conference is a forum for sharing the most recent advances - in
> theory, methodology and application - in the area of agent modeling
> throughout the social sciences (e.g., Anthropology, Communication
> Studies,
> Economics, Geography, History, Political Science, Sociology, Urban
> Planning). We also welcome social scientists in professional schools
> (e.g., Business, Education, International Relations, Public Health,
> Public
> Policy, Social Welfare) and in the public and private sectors.
> Researchers
> and theorists in Psychology, Media Studies and social aspects of
> Cognitive
> Science, Artificial Intelligence, Robotics and related disciplines also
> welcome!
>
> There will be a mix of plenary sessions as well as concurrent sessions
> on
> computational modeling issues, discipline-based research, and special
> topics to be proposed. We invite individual paper submissions and
> session
> proposals. We will facilitate another live simulation in the spirit of
> last conference's very successful group experience!
>
> We invite papers and sessions on the following topics:
>
> --Agent Modeling Methodologies
> --Modeling ApproachesEvolutionary Computation, Cellular Automata,
> Genetic
> Algorithms, Neural Networks, Simulated Annealing
> --Model Design IssuesPopulation Complexity, Agent Complexity, Spatial
> Complexity
> --Robustness and Validity Issues
> --Model-to-model Comparisons and Standardization
> --Intersections with Mathematics, Human Experiments, Social
> Epistemology
> --Artificial Societies and Artificial Cultures
> --Physical and Virtual Robot Societies and Cultures
> --Simulating Social Intelligence
> --Complexity/Chaos Theory
> --Emergent Social Structure
> --Social Network Dynamics
> --Spatial Analysis
> --Game Theory
> --Knowledge, Distributed Intelligence and Distributed Cognition
> --Governance, Centralization, Decentralization
> --Multi-participant Simulated Worlds
> --Economy, Culture and other phenomena of Online Communities including
> Online Learning Environments
> --Agent-Related Systems Dynamics
> --Agent diversity/heterogeneity (variation among individual agents)
> --Modeling agents' mental models
> --Adjudication and conflict resolution in decision making among agents
> --Public and Private Sector Applications
> --Discipline and Multi- and Inter- Discipline Applications
> --Topics of Your Choice
>
> We encourage papers at the cutting-edge of agent-based modeling that
> are
> relevant to the social science community broadly defined. This
> conference
> is model oriented. We look forward to hearing about the models you use!
>
> Paper Publication: Beginning this year, presenters may submit their
> papers
> for permanent web publication within the University of California
> E-Scholarship Repository. See the conference website for more details.
>
> Important Dates:
>
> November 15, 2004: Abstract deadline. Abstracts submitted after this
> deadline will be put on a waiting list.
> December 15, 2004: Notification of abstract acceptance.
> January 12, 2005: Payment in full DUE. Cancellations after this point
> will
> be refunded the registration fee minus $180 for processing.
> April 15, 2005: No refund after this date.
> May 18, 2005 (evening): Conference kick off.
> May 21, 2005 (evening): Conference closing.
> May 22, 2005 (Sunday): Conference get-away day.
>
> Paper/Session Proposals: Please use the electronic form at the
> conference
> website (http://www.hcs.ucla.edu) to submit your proposal for a paper
> or a
> session, or to indicate you plan to attend. Please register early to
> reserve your space! There are currently only 48 slots. Presenters
> (first-authors) who submit early and propose compelling abstracts will
> have the highest priority. We hope to make more slots available.
>
> We look forward to seeing you!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> UCLA Human Complex Systems (Phil Bonacich, Nicholas Gessler, Susanne
> Lohmann, Bill McKelvey, Dario Nardi, Dwight Read, Francis Steen)
>
>
>
>
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9AM @ Jane's Cafe
> Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.:
> http://www.friam.org
>

Stephen Guerin

Lake Arrowhead Conference

Owen,

> We gotta get friam accredited or affiliated somehow.

Yeah, even if it's just for cheaper software.

Hmmm...friam.edu is available. The FRIAM Institute? Now seeking faculty
positions :-)

If .Com and a business license makes someone a company, what do you need
besides a .edu to become a research organization?

I kind of like the idea of Friday Morning Institute. It's not so much an
institution of place as it is one of time. Gus, that has to appeal to you.

-S

____________________________________________________
http://www.redfish.com [hidden email]
624 Agua Fria Street office: (505)995-0206
Santa Fe, NM 87501 mobile: (505)577-5828

Joseph Dalessandro

Lake Arrowhead Conference

I think you can just set up a 501 c 3 not-for-profit and classify
yourself as a research and educational institution.

-joe

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:06:30 -0600, "Stephen Guerin"
<[hidden email]> said:

> Owen,
>
> > We gotta get friam accredited or affiliated somehow.
>
> Yeah, even if it's just for cheaper software.
>
> Hmmm...friam.edu is available. The FRIAM Institute? Now seeking faculty
> positions :-)
>
> If .Com and a business license makes someone a company, what do you need
> besides a .edu to become a research organization?
>
> I kind of like the idea of Friday Morning Institute. It's not so much an
> institution of place as it is one of time. Gus, that has to appeal to
> you.
>
> -S
>
> ____________________________________________________
> http://www.redfish.com [hidden email]
> 624 Agua Fria Street office: (505)995-0206
> Santa Fe, NM 87501 mobile: (505)577-5828
>
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9AM @ Jane's Cafe
> Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.:
> http://www.friam.org

Gus Koehler

Lake Arrowhead Conference

In reply to this post by Stephen Guerin

I like the time idea very much. Ya got me on board. Make it a
non-profit and we can really cook!

Gus

Gus Koehler, Ph.D.
Principal
Time Structures
1545 University Ave.
Sacramento, CA 95826
916-564-8683
Fax: 916-564-7895
www.timestructures.com

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
Behalf Of Stephen Guerin
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 10:07 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Lake Arrowhead Conference

Owen,

> We gotta get friam accredited or affiliated somehow.

Yeah, even if it's just for cheaper software.

Hmmm...friam.edu is available. The FRIAM Institute? Now seeking faculty
positions :-)

If .Com and a business license makes someone a company, what do you need
besides a .edu to become a research organization?

I kind of like the idea of Friday Morning Institute. It's not so much an
institution of place as it is one of time. Gus, that has to appeal to
you.

-S

____________________________________________________
http://www.redfish.com [hidden email]
624 Agua Fria Street office: (505)995-0206
Santa Fe, NM 87501 mobile: (505)577-5828

============================================================
FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
Meets Fridays 9AM @ Jane's Cafe
Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.:
http://www.friam.org

Tim Densmore

Lake Arrowhead Conference

In reply to this post by Stephen Guerin

Friami?

On Aug 26, 2004, at 11:06 AM, Stephen Guerin wrote:

> Owen,
>
>> We gotta get friam accredited or affiliated somehow.
>
> Yeah, even if it's just for cheaper software.
>
> Hmmm...friam.edu is available. The FRIAM Institute? Now seeking faculty
> positions :-)
>
> If .Com and a business license makes someone a company, what do you
> need
> besides a .edu to become a research organization?
>
> I kind of like the idea of Friday Morning Institute. It's not so much
> an
> institution of place as it is one of time. Gus, that has to appeal to
> you.
>
> -S
>
> ____________________________________________________
> http://www.redfish.com [hidden email]
> 624 Agua Fria Street office: (505)995-0206
> Santa Fe, NM 87501 mobile: (505)577-5828
>
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9AM @ Jane's Cafe
> Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.:
> http://www.friam.org

Parks, Raymond

Lake Arrowhead Conference

In reply to this post by Stephen Guerin

Stephen Guerin wrote:
> If .Com and a business license makes someone a company, what do you need
> besides a .edu to become a research organization?

Not much - although we'd probably be a .org. Organizing as a
corporation is relatively simple. The hardest part is gaining
non-profit status with IRS.

In a previous life I worked for and served on the board of directors
of a non-profit research organization here in ABQ. We were a sort of
co-op for scientists and engineers that all had contracts with the labs.
We were certified (after some difficulty) as a 501c3 non-profit for
research and education. The organization still exists on paper,
although very few of us are left. It is called Spectra Research
Institute. Working for it provided the occasional amusement. I enjoyed
making an acronym of the name and telling folks I worked for SRI. I
still worked for SRI when AT&T gave up Sandia Labs and after LockMart
took over I used to twit the Sandians about their for-profit status.

> I kind of like the idea of Friday Morning Institute. It's not so much an
> institution of place as it is one of time. Gus, that has to appeal to you.

But does that mean one can only attend Arrowhead for any Friday
Morning sessions? Can one get those software discounts on any other day
of the week?

--
Ray Parks [hidden email]
IDART Project Lead Voice:505-844-4024
IORTA Department Fax:505-844-9641
http://www.sandia.gov/idart Pager:800-690-5288

jpgirard

Lake Arrowhead Conference

In reply to this post by Joseph Dalessandro

I already belong to another 501c3 organization that is defined as
"educational".
There are some hoops you have to jump through, but it isn't too hard.

Also, it allows for all money spent while doing activities involved with
them to be tax-deductible.

Jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]On
> Behalf Of Joseph Dalessandro
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 11:27 AM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Lake Arrowhead Conference
>
>
> I think you can just set up a 501 c 3 not-for-profit and classify
> yourself as a research and educational institution.
>
> -joe
>
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:06:30 -0600, "Stephen Guerin"
> <[hidden email]> said:
> > Owen,
> >
> > > We gotta get friam accredited or affiliated somehow.
> >
> > Yeah, even if it's just for cheaper software.
> >
> > Hmmm...friam.edu is available. The FRIAM Institute? Now seeking faculty
> > positions :-)
> >
> > If .Com and a business license makes someone a company, what do you need
> > besides a .edu to become a research organization?
> >
> > I kind of like the idea of Friday Morning Institute. It's not so much an
> > institution of place as it is one of time. Gus, that has to appeal to
> > you.
> >
> > -S
> >
> > ____________________________________________________
> > http://www.redfish.com [hidden email]
> > 624 Agua Fria Street office: (505)995-0206
> > Santa Fe, NM 87501 mobile: (505)577-5828
> >
> >
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9AM @ Jane's Cafe
> > Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.:
> > http://www.friam.org
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9AM @ Jane's Cafe
> Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.:
> http://www.friam.org
>

Tom Johnson

Lake Arrowhead Conference

In reply to this post by Joseph Dalessandro

All:

The Institute for Analytic Journalism is already established as a New Mexico
non-profit research and educational institution, and if it would save anyone
time and trouble, we would do whatever necessary to accomodate the FRIAM
crowd.

-tom

========================================================
J. T. Johnson
Institute for Analytic Journalism
505.577.6482(c) 415.775.2530(h)
http://www.jtjohnson.com [hidden email]
========================================================

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]On
Behalf Of Joseph Dalessandro
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 11:27 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Lake Arrowhead Conference

I think you can just set up a 501 c 3 not-for-profit and classify
yourself as a research and educational institution.

-joe

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:06:30 -0600, "Stephen Guerin"
<[hidden email]> said:

============================================================
FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
Meets Fridays 9AM @ Jane's Cafe
Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.:
http://www.friam.org

Gus Koehler

Lake Arrowhead Conference

In reply to this post by Parks, Raymond

I kept a non-profit on the shelf, unused by viable, for years and then
donated it to KVMR a public radio station in Nevada City, CA. They
installed a new board of directors made some amendments to bylaws, and
are still operating under the original language. Given many of the
needs, research interests, and other activities of the group, why not
just donate Spectra, rename it if necessary, etc, etc.

Gus

Gus Koehler, Ph.D.
Principal
Time Structures
1545 University Ave.
Sacramento, CA 95826
916-564-8683
Fax: 916-564-7895
www.timestructures.com

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
Behalf Of rcparks
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 10:51 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Lake Arrowhead Conference

Stephen Guerin wrote:
> If .Com and a business license makes someone a company, what do you
need
> besides a .edu to become a research organization?

Not much - although we'd probably be a .org. Organizing as a
corporation is relatively simple. The hardest part is gaining
non-profit status with IRS.

In a previous life I worked for and served on the board of directors
of a non-profit research organization here in ABQ. We were a sort of
co-op for scientists and engineers that all had contracts with the labs.

We were certified (after some difficulty) as a 501c3 non-profit for
research and education. The organization still exists on paper,
although very few of us are left. It is called Spectra Research
Institute. Working for it provided the occasional amusement. I enjoyed

making an acronym of the name and telling folks I worked for SRI. I
still worked for SRI when AT&T gave up Sandia Labs and after LockMart
took over I used to twit the Sandians about their for-profit status.

> I kind of like the idea of Friday Morning Institute. It's not so much
an
> institution of place as it is one of time. Gus, that has to appeal to
you.

But does that mean one can only attend Arrowhead for any Friday
Morning sessions? Can one get those software discounts on any other day

of the week?

--
Ray Parks [hidden email]
IDART Project Lead Voice:505-844-4024
IORTA Department Fax:505-844-9641
http://www.sandia.gov/idart Pager:800-690-5288

============================================================
FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
Meets Fridays 9AM @ Jane's Cafe
Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.:
http://www.friam.org

Parks, Raymond

Lake Arrowhead Conference

Gus Koehler wrote:

> I kept a non-profit on the shelf, unused by viable, for years and then
> donated it to KVMR a public radio station in Nevada City, CA. They
> installed a new board of directors made some amendments to bylaws, and
> are still operating under the original language. Given many of the
> needs, research interests, and other activities of the group, why not
> just donate Spectra, rename it if necessary, etc, etc.

I'd love to. I'll have to talk to the current suckers^h^h^h^h^h^h^h
board of directors, but we've been looking for a way to reactivate it.
The reason we originally had difficulty getting 501c3 status was that
we had a parallel trust fund (same board) into which we contributed a
percentage of the revenues from contracts. This was our way to provide
for a sabbatical for members at some later date. To go on sabbatical,
the member would send a proposal to the trust fund which would then
contract with Spectra to have the member perform that work. A little
incestuous, but we got it by the IRS and the DOE auditors. Some of the
remaining members have money in the trust fund but we have to be working
for Spectra to put in the proposal, etc. Since Spectra is moribund,
we're caught in a catch-22.
I learned a lot about how contracting (government and other) works
during this experience. As a non-profit we had a smaller wrap-around
(overhead) cost than all but the worst body-shops even though we
provided outstanding benefits to the members (better medical and dental
than Sandia, 15% retirement, six weeks leave). I hated to transfer from
Spectra to Sandia but one founding member's obsession with
commercializing some research forced benefit reductions. Also, I got
tired of writing proposals, getting work and then not being able to lead
it at Sandia.

--
Ray Parks [hidden email]
IDART Project Lead Voice:505-844-4024
IORTA Department Fax:505-844-9641
http://www.sandia.gov/idart Pager:800-690-5288

Joseph Dalessandro

Lake Arrowhead Conference

You're not talking about a lot of money to start a 501c3. Why not start
anew and not use an existing entity.

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:10:18 -0600, "rcparks" <[hidden email]> said:

> Gus Koehler wrote:
>
> > I kept a non-profit on the shelf, unused by viable, for years and then
> > donated it to KVMR a public radio station in Nevada City, CA. They
> > installed a new board of directors made some amendments to bylaws, and
> > are still operating under the original language. Given many of the
> > needs, research interests, and other activities of the group, why not
> > just donate Spectra, rename it if necessary, etc, etc.
>
> I'd love to. I'll have to talk to the current suckers^h^h^h^h^h^h^h
> board of directors, but we've been looking for a way to reactivate it.
> The reason we originally had difficulty getting 501c3 status was that
> we had a parallel trust fund (same board) into which we contributed a
> percentage of the revenues from contracts. This was our way to provide
> for a sabbatical for members at some later date. To go on sabbatical,
> the member would send a proposal to the trust fund which would then
> contract with Spectra to have the member perform that work. A little
> incestuous, but we got it by the IRS and the DOE auditors. Some of the
> remaining members have money in the trust fund but we have to be working
> for Spectra to put in the proposal, etc. Since Spectra is moribund,
> we're caught in a catch-22.
> I learned a lot about how contracting (government and other) works
> during this experience. As a non-profit we had a smaller wrap-around
> (overhead) cost than all but the worst body-shops even though we
> provided outstanding benefits to the members (better medical and dental
> than Sandia, 15% retirement, six weeks leave). I hated to transfer from
> Spectra to Sandia but one founding member's obsession with
> commercializing some research forced benefit reductions. Also, I got
> tired of writing proposals, getting work and then not being able to lead
> it at Sandia.
>
> --
> Ray Parks [hidden email]
> IDART Project Lead Voice:505-844-4024
> IORTA Department Fax:505-844-9641
> http://www.sandia.gov/idart Pager:800-690-5288
>
>
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9AM @ Jane's Cafe
> Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.:
> http://www.friam.org

Parks, Raymond

Lake Arrowhead Conference

Joseph Dalessandro wrote:
> You're not talking about a lot of money to start a 501c3. Why not start
> anew and not use an existing entity.

You're correct. A friend of mine just started/is starting one to
recycle old PCs. She's quite experienced at this and calculated about
$250 total, including lawyer's fees.

--
Ray Parks [hidden email]
IDART Project Lead Voice:505-844-4024
IORTA Department Fax:505-844-9641
http://www.sandia.gov/idart Pager:800-690-5288

Tom Johnson

Lake Arrowhead Conference

In NM, one can set this up yourself for $25-40. And the PRC offices are in
the Pera Bldg south of Jane's.
Here's the link:
http://www.nmprc.state.nm.us/corporations/pdf/charter/dnp.pdf

-tom

========================================================
J. T. Johnson
Institute for Analytic Journalism
505.577.6482(c) 415.775.2530(h)
http://www.jtjohnson.com [hidden email]
========================================================

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]On
Behalf Of rcparks
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 3:37 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Lake Arrowhead Conference

Joseph Dalessandro wrote:
> You're not talking about a lot of money to start a 501c3. Why not start
> anew and not use an existing entity.

You're correct. A friend of mine just started/is starting one to
recycle old PCs. She's quite experienced at this and calculated about
$250 total, including lawyer's fees.

--
Ray Parks [hidden email]
IDART Project Lead Voice:505-844-4024
IORTA Department Fax:505-844-9641
http://www.sandia.gov/idart Pager:800-690-5288

============================================================
FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
Meets Fridays 9AM @ Jane's Cafe
Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.:
http://www.friam.org

Joseph Dalessandro

Lake Arrowhead Conference

In reply to this post by Parks, Raymond

I'll kick in 250.

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:37:04 -0600, "rcparks" <[hidden email]> said:

> Joseph Dalessandro wrote:
> > You're not talking about a lot of money to start a 501c3. Why not start
> > anew and not use an existing entity.
>
> You're correct. A friend of mine just started/is starting one to
> recycle old PCs. She's quite experienced at this and calculated about
> $250 total, including lawyer's fees.
>
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Gus Koehler

Lake Arrowhead Conference

In reply to this post by Tom Johnson

Its been a while but I think the catch is what the feds will accept. A
friend of mine who is a corporarte lawyers, just filed for a 501c3 for a
group that he has put together, and he had a lawyer-friend (expert on
501c3) look at it for him for free. The language in by-laws and
application wasn't quite right which could have kicked the application
back. Personally, I would try to get it reviewed by some legal expert
for a small sum. The $250 sounds good to me if the person knows the
"language".

Gus

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Sacramento, CA 95826
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-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
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Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 1:54 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Lake Arrowhead Conference

In NM, one can set this up yourself for $25-40. And the PRC offices are
in
the Pera Bldg south of Jane's.
Here's the link:
http://www.nmprc.state.nm.us/corporations/pdf/charter/dnp.pdf

-tom

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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 3:37 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
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Joseph Dalessandro wrote:
> You're not talking about a lot of money to start a 501c3. Why not
start
> anew and not use an existing entity.

You're correct. A friend of mine just started/is starting one to
recycle old PCs. She's quite experienced at this and calculated about
$250 total, including lawyer's fees.

--
Ray Parks [hidden email]
IDART Project Lead Voice:505-844-4024
IORTA Department Fax:505-844-9641
http://www.sandia.gov/idart Pager:800-690-5288

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