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Intelligent electric road

Tom Johnson
From Roger Ebert blog:  "This fills me with probably unreasonable hope for Green Electricity. "
See http://j.mp/9pZorn


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Re: Intelligent electric road

Stephen Thompson
Solar powered roads would solve the  infrastructure problem
of having electric "gas" stations for the electric and hybrid cars. 
Just build power outlets at selected intervals along the road. 

Best of all the road may detect how much power you have and
direct you to the nearest power outlet. 

Steph T
 

On 9/20/2010 3:03 PM, Tom Johnson wrote:
>From Roger Ebert blog:  "This fills me with probably unreasonable hope for Green Electricity. "
See http://j.mp/9pZorn


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Re: Intelligent electric road

Douglas Roberts-2
Uh.  Except.  For ...

Getting power to the roadway system (*huge* infrastructure issue, that, all by itself); providing load balanced power to this marvelous new electrified road grid, as travel flux dictates; designing, manufacturing, and implementing a road grid-to-vehicle power transfer system that operates reliably under mass transit conditions; etc. etc. etc.

Yep, once those little issues are licked we'll have our transportation infrastructure issues whipped into shape.  You betcha.

--Doug

(You know, I sometimes almost find myself thinking back upon those days -- well, 11 years actually -- of total immersion into academia and the academic life style [translated: completely decoupled from reality] with a certain fondness.  

I usually recover fairly quickly.)



On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Stephen Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
Solar powered roads would solve the  infrastructure problem
of having electric "gas" stations for the electric and hybrid cars. 
Just build power outlets at selected intervals along the road. 

Best of all the road may detect how much power you have and
direct you to the nearest power outlet. 

Steph T
 

On 9/20/2010 3:03 PM, Tom Johnson wrote:
>From Roger Ebert blog:  "This fills me with probably unreasonable hope for Green Electricity. "
See http://j.mp/9pZorn


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Re: Intelligent electric road

Robert J. Cordingley
I think you may have meant getting power *off* the roadway system (for anyone to use).  The additional intelligence in load cells, etc. and LED displays seemed incidental but perhaps worth including if you are going to put all those electronics in to manage the solar power generation anyway.  I didn't see anything about vehicles capturing power from the road in the video btw. 

Personally I'd like to see the system power mass transit perhaps putting solar cells between rails.  You wouldn't need to invert it to drive mag lev units too.  I bet on average trains block out a lower percentage of the railroad bed as they pass over too. 

Tons of engineering problems either way that could keep some in the profession busy for a while!  Keep going I say!

My 2 c
Thanks
Robert C

On 9/20/10 7:20 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
Uh.  Except.  For ...

Getting power to the roadway system (*huge* infrastructure issue, that, all by itself); providing load balanced power to this marvelous new electrified road grid, as travel flux dictates; designing, manufacturing, and implementing a road grid-to-vehicle power transfer system that operates reliably under mass transit conditions; etc. etc. etc.

Yep, once those little issues are licked we'll have our transportation infrastructure issues whipped into shape.  You betcha.

--Doug

(You know, I sometimes almost find myself thinking back upon those days -- well, 11 years actually -- of total immersion into academia and the academic life style [translated: completely decoupled from reality] with a certain fondness.  

I usually recover fairly quickly.)



On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Stephen Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
Solar powered roads would solve the  infrastructure problem
of having electric "gas" stations for the electric and hybrid cars. 
Just build power outlets at selected intervals along the road. 

Best of all the road may detect how much power you have and
direct you to the nearest power outlet. 

Steph T
 

On 9/20/2010 3:03 PM, Tom Johnson wrote:
>From Roger Ebert blog:  "This fills me with probably unreasonable hope for Green Electricity. "
See http://j.mp/9pZorn


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Re: Intelligent electric road

Stephen Thompson
No, the vid didn't have anything about extracting power directly from the
"road grid".  I just extrapolated from the idea.  If the road is now part of the
power grid, then its not a stretch to get power directly from the grid for those
who happen to be on it. 

As long as we are brainstorming....

Steph T


On 9/20/2010 8:57 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:
I think you may have meant getting power *off* the roadway system (for anyone to use).  The additional intelligence in load cells, etc. and LED displays seemed incidental but perhaps worth including if you are going to put all those electronics in to manage the solar power generation anyway.  I didn't see anything about vehicles capturing power from the road in the video btw. 

Personally I'd like to see the system power mass transit perhaps putting solar cells between rails.  You wouldn't need to invert it to drive mag lev units too.  I bet on average trains block out a lower percentage of the railroad bed as they pass over too. 

Tons of engineering problems either way that could keep some in the profession busy for a while!  Keep going I say!

My 2 c
Thanks
Robert C

On 9/20/10 7:20 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
Uh.  Except.  For ...

Getting power to the roadway system (*huge* infrastructure issue, that, all by itself); providing load balanced power to this marvelous new electrified road grid, as travel flux dictates; designing, manufacturing, and implementing a road grid-to-vehicle power transfer system that operates reliably under mass transit conditions; etc. etc. etc.

Yep, once those little issues are licked we'll have our transportation infrastructure issues whipped into shape.  You betcha.

--Doug

(You know, I sometimes almost find myself thinking back upon those days -- well, 11 years actually -- of total immersion into academia and the academic life style [translated: completely decoupled from reality] with a certain fondness.  

I usually recover fairly quickly.)



On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Stephen Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
Solar powered roads would solve the  infrastructure problem
of having electric "gas" stations for the electric and hybrid cars. 
Just build power outlets at selected intervals along the road. 

Best of all the road may detect how much power you have and
direct you to the nearest power outlet. 

Steph T
 

On 9/20/2010 3:03 PM, Tom Johnson wrote:
>From Roger Ebert blog:  "This fills me with probably unreasonable hope for Green Electricity. "
See http://j.mp/9pZorn


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Re: Intelligent electric road

Douglas Roberts-2
Jaywalking not advised...

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Stephen Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
No, the vid didn't have anything about extracting power directly from the
"road grid".  I just extrapolated from the idea.  If the road is now part of the
power grid, then its not a stretch to get power directly from the grid for those
who happen to be on it. 

As long as we are brainstorming....

Steph T


On 9/20/2010 8:57 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:
I think you may have meant getting power *off* the roadway system (for anyone to use).  The additional intelligence in load cells, etc. and LED displays seemed incidental but perhaps worth including if you are going to put all those electronics in to manage the solar power generation anyway.  I didn't see anything about vehicles capturing power from the road in the video btw. 

Personally I'd like to see the system power mass transit perhaps putting solar cells between rails.  You wouldn't need to invert it to drive mag lev units too.  I bet on average trains block out a lower percentage of the railroad bed as they pass over too. 

Tons of engineering problems either way that could keep some in the profession busy for a while!  Keep going I say!

My 2 c
Thanks
Robert C

On 9/20/10 7:20 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
Uh.  Except.  For ...

Getting power to the roadway system (*huge* infrastructure issue, that, all by itself); providing load balanced power to this marvelous new electrified road grid, as travel flux dictates; designing, manufacturing, and implementing a road grid-to-vehicle power transfer system that operates reliably under mass transit conditions; etc. etc. etc.

Yep, once those little issues are licked we'll have our transportation infrastructure issues whipped into shape.  You betcha.

--Doug

(You know, I sometimes almost find myself thinking back upon those days -- well, 11 years actually -- of total immersion into academia and the academic life style [translated: completely decoupled from reality] with a certain fondness.  

I usually recover fairly quickly.)



On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Stephen Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
Solar powered roads would solve the  infrastructure problem
of having electric "gas" stations for the electric and hybrid cars. 
Just build power outlets at selected intervals along the road. 

Best of all the road may detect how much power you have and
direct you to the nearest power outlet. 

Steph T
 

On 9/20/2010 3:03 PM, Tom Johnson wrote:
>From Roger Ebert blog:  "This fills me with probably unreasonable hope for Green Electricity. "
See http://j.mp/9pZorn


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Re: Intelligent electric road

James Steiner
In reply to this post by Robert J. Cordingley
Here in New Jersey, the state is installing some 250,000 solar panels
across the state. These are small, 2x3 foot, 200 watt panels, each
stands alone and they are installed on power/telephone poles all over
the place.

The panels are installed on the 220/110 volt ("low" voltage) AC side
of the distribution network. Each panel has its own inverter, a
"smart" inverter that only injects power into the line if there is
*already* power there, and syncs to the existing power's cycle. Each
panel also has a self-powered connection to the wireless network that
is used to monitor the panels.

The panels can be wired together, but they work such that
non-generating panels do not harm the efficiency of generating panels
(unlike some current roof-top photo-voltaic arrays). I could use a
rack of these on my roof.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124900300175395743.html

~~James


On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Robert J. Cordingley
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> I think you may have meant getting power *off* the roadway system (for
> anyone to use).  The additional intelligence in load cells, etc. and LED
> displays seemed incidental but perhaps worth including if you are going to
> put all those electronics in to manage the solar power generation anyway.  I
> didn't see anything about vehicles capturing power from the road in the
> video btw.

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