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Mining of email data could help companies spot dangerous employees
before they do damage http://www.darkreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=147627 Three researchers at the Air Force Institute of Technology -- James Okolica, Gilbert Peterson, and Robert Mills -- have published a paper that outlines an algorithm for mining email data and identifying patterns of transmission that might tell managers when employees are keeping a secret. |
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Sounds like their whole concept is flawed--that an employee who keeps
secrets from the workplace is a potentially bad employee? Wouldn't the ability to compartmentalize work email topics and personal email topics be a sign of a *good* employee? ~~James _________________ www.turtlezero.com On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Joseph Dalessandro <joe at nan0.com> wrote: > Mining of email data could help companies spot dangerous employees > before they do damage > > http://www.darkreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=147627 > > Three researchers at the Air Force Institute of Technology -- James > Okolica, Gilbert Peterson, and Robert Mills -- have published a paper > that outlines an algorithm for mining email data and identifying > patterns of transmission that might tell managers when employees are > keeping a secret. > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > |
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quote from the article:
"The algorithm, dubbed the Potential Insider Threat Detection Algorithm, is a "promising tool" for aiding IT departments in narrowing down the list of subjects in a breach investigation, the researchers said. However, the experimental analysis of Enron's email did not correctly identify the top managers who were involved in the company's fraud." so the method was developed, tested, and it failed. right. anyway it seems that according to these people anyone with 'excentric' interests should be labeled as a threat: obscure hobbies, knowledge of foreign languages are all signs of a potential threat ? great ! seems these people work in very boring companies indeed ! ciao, Joost. On 6 Mar, 2008, at 3:06 AM, James Steiner wrote: > Sounds like their whole concept is flawed--that an employee who keeps > secrets from the workplace is a potentially bad employee? Wouldn't the > ability to compartmentalize work email topics and personal email > topics be a sign of a *good* employee? > > ~~James > _________________ > www.turtlezero.com > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Joseph Dalessandro <joe at nan0.com> > wrote: >> Mining of email data could help companies spot dangerous employees >> before they do damage >> >> http://www.darkreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=147627 >> >> Three researchers at the Air Force Institute of Technology -- James >> Okolica, Gilbert Peterson, and Robert Mills -- have published a >> paper >> that outlines an algorithm for mining email data and identifying >> patterns of transmission that might tell managers when employees are >> keeping a secret. >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org >> > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Sounds like a "promising" pre-crime detection system. Could be used
to justify a search warrant, but then, who needs a judge's permission anymore? On Mar 6, 2008, at 6:23 AM, Joost Rekveld wrote: > quote from the article: > > "The algorithm, dubbed the Potential Insider Threat Detection > Algorithm, is a "promising tool" for aiding IT departments in > narrowing down the list of subjects in a breach investigation, the > researchers said. However, the experimental analysis of Enron's email > did not correctly identify the top managers who were involved in the > company's fraud." > > so the method was developed, tested, and it failed. > right. > > anyway it seems that according to these people anyone with > 'excentric' interests should be labeled as a threat: obscure hobbies, > knowledge of foreign languages are all signs of a potential threat ? > great ! seems these people work in very boring companies indeed ! > > ciao, > > Joost. > > > > > On 6 Mar, 2008, at 3:06 AM, James Steiner wrote: > >> Sounds like their whole concept is flawed--that an employee who keeps >> secrets from the workplace is a potentially bad employee? Wouldn't >> the >> ability to compartmentalize work email topics and personal email >> topics be a sign of a *good* employee? >> >> ~~James >> _________________ >> www.turtlezero.com >> >> On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Joseph Dalessandro <joe at nan0.com> >> wrote: >>> Mining of email data could help companies spot dangerous employees >>> before they do damage >>> >>> http://www.darkreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=147627 >>> >>> Three researchers at the Air Force Institute of Technology -- James >>> Okolica, Gilbert Peterson, and Robert Mills -- have published a >>> paper >>> that outlines an algorithm for mining email data and identifying >>> patterns of transmission that might tell managers when employees >>> are >>> keeping a secret. >>> >>> ============================================================ >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org >>> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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are you serious ?
I guess my point is these kinds of developments are threatening for those who do not think the norm is for them. As a peace-loving multilingual artist with several relatively obscure interests I can totally see that what I consider to be interesting will soon be labelled pre-crime symptoms. Who needs renaissance optics, ottoman music, outmoded utopias ? all very suspicious ! I guess I should be watching TV like everybody else... ciao, Joost. On 6 Mar, 2008, at 3:52 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote: > Sounds like a "promising" pre-crime detection system. Could be used > to justify a search warrant, but then, who needs a judge's > permission anymore? > > > > On Mar 6, 2008, at 6:23 AM, Joost Rekveld wrote: > >> quote from the article: >> >> "The algorithm, dubbed the Potential Insider Threat Detection >> Algorithm, is a "promising tool" for aiding IT departments in >> narrowing down the list of subjects in a breach investigation, the >> researchers said. However, the experimental analysis of Enron's email >> did not correctly identify the top managers who were involved in the >> company's fraud." >> >> so the method was developed, tested, and it failed. >> right. >> >> anyway it seems that according to these people anyone with >> 'excentric' interests should be labeled as a threat: obscure hobbies, >> knowledge of foreign languages are all signs of a potential threat ? >> great ! seems these people work in very boring companies indeed ! ------------------------------------------- Joost Rekveld ----------- http://www.lumen.nu/rekveld ------------------------------------------- "There is little use in devising a system of thought about the nature of the trap if the only thing to do in order to get out of the trap is to know the trap and find the exit. Everything else is utterly useless: Singing hymns about the suffering in the trap ... or making poems about the freedom outside of the trap, dreamed of within the trap ... The first thing to do is to find the exit out of the trap. The nature of the trap has no interest whatsoever beyond this one crucial point: WHERE IS THE EXIT OUT OF THE TRAP? (Wilhelm Reich) ------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20080306/61a6ee0d/attachment.html |
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Hola Joost:
I'm quite serious that algorithms like these might someday be used to justify a search warrant. That is assuming that the US Bill of Rights will someday be restored and the US courts will require the police to secure search warrants. -- Pat On Mar 6, 2008, at 8:13 AM, Joost Rekveld wrote: > are you serious ? > I guess my point is these kinds of developments are threatening for > those who do not think the norm is for them. As a peace-loving > multilingual artist with several relatively obscure interests I can > totally see that what I consider to be interesting will soon be > labelled pre-crime symptoms. Who needs renaissance optics, ottoman > music, outmoded utopias ? all very suspicious ! > I guess I should be watching TV like everybody else... > > ciao, > > Joost. > > On 6 Mar, 2008, at 3:52 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote: > >> Sounds like a "promising" pre-crime detection system. Could be used >> to justify a search warrant, but then, who needs a judge's >> permission anymore? >> >> >> >> On Mar 6, 2008, at 6:23 AM, Joost Rekveld wrote: >> >>> quote from the article: >>> >>> "The algorithm, dubbed the Potential Insider Threat Detection >>> Algorithm, is a "promising tool" for aiding IT departments in >>> narrowing down the list of subjects in a breach investigation, the >>> researchers said. However, the experimental analysis of Enron's >>> did not correctly identify the top managers who were involved in the >>> company's fraud." >>> >>> so the method was developed, tested, and it failed. >>> right. >>> >>> anyway it seems that according to these people anyone with >>> 'excentric' interests should be labeled as a threat: obscure >>> hobbies, >>> knowledge of foreign languages are all signs of a potential threat ? >>> great ! seems these people work in very boring companies indeed ! > > > > ------------------------------------------- > > Joost Rekveld > ----------- http://www.lumen.nu/rekveld > > ------------------------------------------- > > "There is little use in devising a system of thought about > the nature of the trap if the only thing to do in order to > get out of the trap is to know the trap and find the exit. > Everything else is utterly useless: Singing hymns about > the suffering in the trap ... or making poems about the > freedom outside of the trap, dreamed of within the trap ... > The first thing to do is to find the exit out of the trap. > The nature of the trap has no interest whatsoever beyond > this one crucial point: > WHERE IS THE EXIT OUT OF THE TRAP? > > (Wilhelm Reich) > > ------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20080306/541cf1fc/attachment.html |
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Joost --
Patrick is being ironic about this, at least so my american english humor detector tells me. He isn't advocating that this ought to be done, just noting that it probably will be done. My sixth grade daughter came home from taking a standardized science test yesterday and reported that the test asked for a definition of "outlier" and there wasn't a definition in any dictionary they had in the classroom. -- rec -- On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Patrick Reilly <patrick.reilly at ipsociety.net> wrote: > Hola Joost: > I'm quite serious that algorithms like these might someday be used to > justify a search warrant. That is assuming that the US Bill of Rights will > someday be restored and the US courts will require the police to secure > search warrants. > > -- Pat > > > On Mar 6, 2008, at 8:13 AM, Joost Rekveld wrote: > > are you serious ?I guess my point is these kinds of developments are > threatening for those who do not think the norm is for them. As a > peace-loving multilingual artist with several relatively obscure interests I > can totally see that what I consider to be interesting will soon be labelled > pre-crime symptoms. Who needs renaissance optics, ottoman music, outmoded > utopias ? all very suspicious ! > I guess I should be watching TV like everybody else... > > ciao, > > Joost. > > On 6 Mar, 2008, at 3:52 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote: > > Sounds like a "promising" pre-crime detection system. Could be used > to justify a search warrant, but then, who needs a judge's > permission anymore? > > > > On Mar 6, 2008, at 6:23 AM, Joost Rekveld wrote: > > quote from the article: > > "The algorithm, dubbed the Potential Insider Threat Detection > Algorithm, is a "promising tool" for aiding IT departments in > narrowing down the list of subjects in a breach investigation, the > researchers said. However, the experimental analysis of Enron's email > did not correctly identify the top managers who were involved in the > company's fraud." > > so the method was developed, tested, and it failed. > right. > > anyway it seems that according to these people anyone with > 'excentric' interests should be labeled as a threat: obscure hobbies, > knowledge of foreign languages are all signs of a potential threat ? > great ! seems these people work in very boring companies indeed ! > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > > Joost Rekveld > ----------- http://www.lumen.nu/rekveld > > ------------------------------------------- > > "There is little use in devising a system of thought about > the nature of the trap if the only thing to do in order to > get out of the trap is to know the trap and find the exit. > Everything else is utterly useless: Singing hymns about > the suffering in the trap ... or making poems about the > freedom outside of the trap, dreamed of within the trap ... > The first thing to do is to find the exit out of the trap. > The nature of the trap has no interest whatsoever beyond > this one crucial point: > WHERE IS THE EXIT OUT OF THE TRAP? > > (Wilhelm Reich) > > ------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20080306/28b4d396/attachment.html |
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The reality is that tools like this are easily avoided by competent criminals. Hence, tools like this only catch the sporadic stupid criminal and provide justification for the persecution of large swaths of innocent people. Of course, just because it can be used to persecute innocent people doesn't mean we shouldn't fully develop and use the tool. After all, any technology can be and is used to persecute innocent people. So, we might as well develop tools that do the best job possible of persecuting innocent people. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20080306/f0adbe83/attachment.bin |
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Glen,
that's a deep one; i'm going to think about this.. On 6 Mar, 2008, at 5:41 PM, glen e. p. ropella wrote: > Of course, just because it can be used to persecute innocent people > doesn't mean we shouldn't fully develop and use the tool. After all, > any technology can be and is used to persecute innocent people. > So, we > might as well develop tools that do the best job possible of > persecuting > innocent people. ------------------------------------------- Joost Rekveld ----------- http://www.lumen.nu/rekveld ------------------------------------------- "There are no passengers on spaceship earth. We are all crew.? (Marshall McLuhan) ------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20080306/9e375b47/attachment.html |
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Roger Critchlow wrote:
> My sixth grade daughter came home from taking a standardized science > test yesterday and reported that the test asked for a definition of > "outlier" and there wasn't a definition in any dictionary they had in > the classroom. But at the end of the day, it is the non-outliers that give power to those that govern. And so the motive to keep people from straying from that centroid too much.. |
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