Indefinite Emergency Powers

[Jochen Fromm-5]

Hungary's authoritarian leader Orban wants to get indefinite emergency powers to fight the Virus.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-21/hungary-s-orban-seeks-indefinite-emergency-powers-in-virus-bill

It reminds Germans of the "enabling act" 1933 which Hitler used to grab power. This law granted the leader the power to enact laws without the involvement of the parliament, and made him a dictator. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

Trump will try something similar - a bill or amendment to the constitution that grants him indefinite and unlimited powers. Officially to fight the disease and to protect Americans. In reality to protect himself. Once he has this emergency powers, he will never give them back.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/21/doj-coronavirus-emergency-powers-140023

-J.

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[Frank Wimberly-2]

Congress is smarter than that, even with it's Trumpian sycophants.  

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020, 5:26 AM Jochen Fromm <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hungary's authoritarian leader Orban wants to get indefinite emergency powers to fight the Virus.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-21/hungary-s-orban-seeks-indefinite-emergency-powers-in-virus-bill

It reminds Germans of the "enabling act" 1933 which Hitler used to grab power. This law granted the leader the power to enact laws without the involvement of the parliament, and made him a dictator. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

Trump will try something similar - a bill or amendment to the constitution that grants him indefinite and unlimited powers. Officially to fight the disease and to protect Americans. In reality to protect himself. Once he has this emergency powers, he will never give them back.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/21/doj-coronavirus-emergency-powers-140023

-J.

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[cody dooderson]

There is part of me that really sees the potential for misuse of power. At Simtable we are working towards a spread model that involves tracking peoples locations using their phones. Which would be bootstrapped by getting location history from sources like Google, Facebook, Pokemon-go, etc...  The US and Israeli governments have already verified that they gather accurate phone location histories.  I would really hate for the GOP or even the DNC to get that data 'though. What I am trying to say is that we are on a slippery slope, where tracking everyones location is common. 

There also seems to be doubt about how well this location data will work for fighting the covid-19 virus given the number of asymptomatic carriers. So far the best solution seems to be to test everyone, and then test them again. 

References:

* https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/governments-havent-shown-location-surveillance-would-help-contain-covid-19

* https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/scientists-say-mass-tests-in-italian-town-have-halted-covid-19

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 8:06 AM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:

Congress is smarter than that, even with it's Trumpian sycophants.  

---
Frank C. Wimberly
505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020, 5:26 AM Jochen Fromm <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hungary's authoritarian leader Orban wants to get indefinite emergency powers to fight the Virus.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-21/hungary-s-orban-seeks-indefinite-emergency-powers-in-virus-bill

It reminds Germans of the "enabling act" 1933 which Hitler used to grab power. This law granted the leader the power to enact laws without the involvement of the parliament, and made him a dictator. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

Trump will try something similar - a bill or amendment to the constitution that grants him indefinite and unlimited powers. Officially to fight the disease and to protect Americans. In reality to protect himself. Once he has this emergency powers, he will never give them back.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/21/doj-coronavirus-emergency-powers-140023

-J.

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[Gillian Densmore]

Two tests implies there are any tests, free and some number of people have them though.  Hasn't anyone watched B Zombie flicks or silly ones like attack of the tomaters? Have to have that stuff their to use, or (as is the case now): omg omgomgomgomgomgomgogmogmog some coughed ruuuuun they have...oh just a regular caugh.

It'd seem like without IMEI info being sent out into the wild it'd be hardER to misuse phone location info for nefarius dude uses.  Is there a reason for  needing two tests? I gather you can't (somewhat) indirectly double check someone (or something ) moved  asking for a new random location of that same ip or gps info?

Just curious.

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 11:32 AM cody dooderson <[hidden email]> wrote:

There is part of me that really sees the potential for misuse of power. At Simtable we are working towards a spread model that involves tracking peoples locations using their phones. Which would be bootstrapped by getting location history from sources like Google, Facebook, Pokemon-go, etc...  The US and Israeli governments have already verified that they gather accurate phone location histories.  I would really hate for the GOP or even the DNC to get that data 'though. What I am trying to say is that we are on a slippery slope, where tracking everyones location is common. 

There also seems to be doubt about how well this location data will work for fighting the covid-19 virus given the number of asymptomatic carriers. So far the best solution seems to be to test everyone, and then test them again. 

References:

* https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/governments-havent-shown-location-surveillance-would-help-contain-covid-19

* https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/scientists-say-mass-tests-in-italian-town-have-halted-covid-19

Cody Smith

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 8:06 AM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:

Congress is smarter than that, even with it's Trumpian sycophants.  

---
Frank C. Wimberly
505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020, 5:26 AM Jochen Fromm <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hungary's authoritarian leader Orban wants to get indefinite emergency powers to fight the Virus.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-21/hungary-s-orban-seeks-indefinite-emergency-powers-in-virus-bill

It reminds Germans of the "enabling act" 1933 which Hitler used to grab power. This law granted the leader the power to enact laws without the involvement of the parliament, and made him a dictator. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

Trump will try something similar - a bill or amendment to the constitution that grants him indefinite and unlimited powers. Officially to fight the disease and to protect Americans. In reality to protect himself. Once he has this emergency powers, he will never give them back.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/21/doj-coronavirus-emergency-powers-140023

-J.

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[thompnickson2]

Hi, Cody,

 

Good point.  If the thing I fear starts to happen quickly within the next ten months, what is the digital equivalent of “going out into the streets to protest.” 

 

Nick

 

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

[hidden email]

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

 

 

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of cody dooderson
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 11:32 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Indefinite Emergency Powers

 

There is part of me that really sees the potential for misuse of power. At Simtable we are working towards a spread model that involves tracking peoples locations using their phones. Which would be bootstrapped by getting location history from sources like Google, Facebook, Pokemon-go, etc...  The US and Israeli governments have already verified that they gather accurate phone location histories.  I would really hate for the GOP or even the DNC to get that data 'though. What I am trying to say is that we are on a slippery slope, where tracking everyones location is common. 

There also seems to be doubt about how well this location data will work for fighting the covid-19 virus given the number of asymptomatic carriers. So far the best solution seems to be to test everyone, and then test them again. 

 

References:

* https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/governments-havent-shown-location-surveillance-would-help-contain-covid-19

* https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/scientists-say-mass-tests-in-italian-town-have-halted-covid-19

 

Cody Smith

 

 

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 8:06 AM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:

Congress is smarter than that, even with it's Trumpian sycophants.  

---
Frank C. Wimberly
505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

 

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020, 5:26 AM Jochen Fromm <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hungary's authoritarian leader Orban wants to get indefinite emergency powers to fight the Virus.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-21/hungary-s-orban-seeks-indefinite-emergency-powers-in-virus-bill

 

It reminds Germans of the "enabling act" 1933 which Hitler used to grab power. This law granted the leader the power to enact laws without the involvement of the parliament, and made him a dictator. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

 

Trump will try something similar - a bill or amendment to the constitution that grants him indefinite and unlimited powers. Officially to fight the disease and to protect Americans. In reality to protect himself. Once he has this emergency powers, he will never give them back.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/21/doj-coronavirus-emergency-powers-140023

 

-J.

 

 

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[Marcus G. Daniels]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/03/22/pro-trump-west-virginia-fight-convince-residents-pandemic-is-coming/

 

“burn through them like coal fire”..

 

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Date: Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 12:09 PM
To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Indefinite Emergency Powers

 

Hi, Cody,

 

Good point.  If the thing I fear starts to happen quickly within the next ten months, what is the digital equivalent of “going out into the streets to protest.” 

 

Nick

 

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

[hidden email]

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

 

 

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of cody dooderson
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 11:32 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Indefinite Emergency Powers

 

There is part of me that really sees the potential for misuse of power. At Simtable we are working towards a spread model that involves tracking peoples locations using their phones. Which would be bootstrapped by getting location history from sources like Google, Facebook, Pokemon-go, etc...  The US and Israeli governments have already verified that they gather accurate phone location histories.  I would really hate for the GOP or even the DNC to get that data 'though. What I am trying to say is that we are on a slippery slope, where tracking everyones location is common. 

There also seems to be doubt about how well this location data will work for fighting the covid-19 virus given the number of asymptomatic carriers. So far the best solution seems to be to test everyone, and then test them again. 

 

References:

* https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/governments-havent-shown-location-surveillance-would-help-contain-covid-19

* https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/scientists-say-mass-tests-in-italian-town-have-halted-covid-19

 

Cody Smith

 

 

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 8:06 AM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:

Congress is smarter than that, even with it's Trumpian sycophants.  

---
Frank C. Wimberly
505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

 

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020, 5:26 AM Jochen Fromm <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hungary's authoritarian leader Orban wants to get indefinite emergency powers to fight the Virus.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-21/hungary-s-orban-seeks-indefinite-emergency-powers-in-virus-bill

 

It reminds Germans of the "enabling act" 1933 which Hitler used to grab power. This law granted the leader the power to enact laws without the involvement of the parliament, and made him a dictator. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

 

Trump will try something similar - a bill or amendment to the constitution that grants him indefinite and unlimited powers. Officially to fight the disease and to protect Americans. In reality to protect himself. Once he has this emergency powers, he will never give them back.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/21/doj-coronavirus-emergency-powers-140023

 

-J.

 

 

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