IS: Disgusting Fish Conversation WAS: words for Nick (political-words focused)
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IS: Disgusting Fish Conversation WAS: words for Nick (political-words focused)
 
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Ok guys. Keep my name out of this fishy thread.
Geez. If this ain't the mother of bent threads. Where is Owen, the Thread Cop, when we need him? Nick N Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University [hidden email] https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -----Original Message----- From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of jon zingale Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:01 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [FRIAM] words for Nick (political-words focused) ...but son of a gun, you'll have big fun on the rio... My buddy, JP, has a big crawfish boil every year down in La Cienega. I'm pretty sure they fly the crawfish in though. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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Well, personally, I love the bending. My endnote was an attempt to demonstrate a) how the negative-positive freedom limiting rhetoric is supposed to work and b) that it's amenable to ridiculous extremism. That y'all bent it off into a discussion of types of sushi and seafood as a whole further demonstrates how ridiculous the rhetoric is. I.e. I completely disagree with Dave that the Dems (or liberals) do, try, or intend to limit freedom. The whole negative freedom concept is fraught ... maybe the whole concept of freedom (or liberty) is fraught. To me, a better (more useful) dichotomy is deontological vs. consequential ethics. It seems like conservatives lean deontological and liberals lean consequential. But I'm no ethicist.
To be clear, I regularly eat sushi [⛧]. My 9mm magazine is loaded with hollow points, but only 10 rounds. It's locked up in the closet and I never carry it around with me. Am I liberal or conservative? >8^D [⛧] Do I *like* sushi? No. But I don't actually like any food except when I'm stoned. I eat whatever is put in front of me. I once felt like I disliked beets more than I disliked, say, steak. So I went on a bender where every time I saw a beet dish on the menu, I ordered it. I still don't like beets. I eat mostly salad. I hate salad. It's messy, hard to get the forkfulls into your mouth, too much/little dressing, yaddayadda. Who cares? Now, the *beer*! That matters. On 8/24/20 1:06 PM, [hidden email] wrote: > Ok guys. Keep my name out of this fishy thread. > > Geez. If this ain't the mother of bent threads. Where is Owen, the Thread > Cop, when we need him? -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
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Re: IS: Disgusting Fish Conversation WAS: words for Nick (political-words focused)
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G. What are you expecting to kill? N.
Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University [hidden email] https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -----Original Message----- From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of u?l? ??? Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 9:17 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [FRIAM] IS: Disgusting Fish Conversation WAS: words for Nick (political-words focused) Well, personally, I love the bending. My endnote was an attempt to demonstrate a) how the negative-positive freedom limiting rhetoric is supposed to work and b) that it's amenable to ridiculous extremism. That y'all bent it off into a discussion of types of sushi and seafood as a whole further demonstrates how ridiculous the rhetoric is. I.e. I completely disagree with Dave that the Dems (or liberals) do, try, or intend to limit freedom. The whole negative freedom concept is fraught ... maybe the whole concept of freedom (or liberty) is fraught. To me, a better (more useful) dichotomy is deontological vs. consequential ethics. It seems like conservatives lean deontological and liberals lean consequential. But I'm no ethicist. To be clear, I regularly eat sushi [⛧]. My 9mm magazine is loaded with hollow points, but only 10 rounds. It's locked up in the closet and I never carry it around with me. Am I liberal or conservative? >8^D [⛧] Do I *like* sushi? No. But I don't actually like any food except when I'm stoned. I eat whatever is put in front of me. I once felt like I disliked beets more than I disliked, say, steak. So I went on a bender where every time I saw a beet dish on the menu, I ordered it. I still don't like beets. I eat mostly salad. I hate salad. It's messy, hard to get the forkfulls into your mouth, too much/little dressing, yaddayadda. Who cares? Now, the *beer*! That matters. On 8/24/20 1:06 PM, [hidden email] wrote: > Ok guys. Keep my name out of this fishy thread. > > Geez. If this ain't the mother of bent threads. Where is Owen, the > Thread Cop, when we need him? -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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Ha! Nothing. I have it because guns are fun little machines ... same reason I built a light following robot. Any dork who denies having fun shooting (and cleaning) a gun either isn't really a dork or is a self-hating dork. I'm *afraid* to build a flame thrower out of a vacuum cleaner, though. So, I'm a cowardly dork.
On 8/25/20 9:46 AM, [hidden email] wrote: > G. What are you expecting to kill? N. -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
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Re: IS: Disgusting Fish Conversation WAS: words for Nick (political-words focused)
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weren't fast enough to get a Tesla flamethrower? On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, at 10:51 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > Ha! Nothing. I have it because guns are fun little machines ... same > reason I built a light following robot. Any dork who denies having fun > shooting (and cleaning) a gun either isn't really a dork or is a > self-hating dork. I'm *afraid* to build a flame thrower out of a vacuum > cleaner, though. So, I'm a cowardly dork. > > On 8/25/20 9:46 AM, [hidden email] wrote: > > G. What are you expecting to kill? N. > > -- > ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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Let me see if I am following this thread. It is liberal to eat sushi unless you are in japan where it is conservative, unless it's fugu. It's liberal to eat crawfish unless they are from the Rio Grande in which case it is very progressive. Owning a gun is liberal, unless you are supporting an authoritarian government with it. Unbridled mineral extraction is very much liberal action but opposed by progressives in favor of a more authoritarian environmental policy. Cody Smith On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 9:17 AM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <[hidden email]> wrote: Well, personally, I love the bending. My endnote was an attempt to demonstrate a) how the negative-positive freedom limiting rhetoric is supposed to work and b) that it's amenable to ridiculous extremism. That y'all bent it off into a discussion of types of sushi and seafood as a whole further demonstrates how ridiculous the rhetoric is. I.e. I completely disagree with Dave that the Dems (or liberals) do, try, or intend to limit freedom. The whole negative freedom concept is fraught ... maybe the whole concept of freedom (or liberty) is fraught. To me, a better (more useful) dichotomy is deontological vs. consequential ethics. It seems like conservatives lean deontological and liberals lean consequential. But I'm no ethicist. - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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Yes! You've nailed the calculus perfectly. Now all you need to do is gather a crowd and preach: https://youtu.be/hmyuE0NpNgE
On 8/25/20 10:00 AM, cody dooderson wrote: > Let me see if I am following this thread. > It is liberal to eat sushi unless you are in japan where it is conservative, unless it's fugu. It's liberal to eat crawfish unless they are from the Rio Grande in which case it is very progressive. Owning a gun is liberal, unless you are supporting an authoritarian government with it. > Unbridled mineral extraction is very much liberal action but opposed by progressives in favor of a more authoritarian environmental policy. -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
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Damn! You NAILED IT Cody... I think we need to build a fault-tree of this to explicate it and then begin to elaborate it and analyze the myriad loops (representing contradictions or mere iterations?)... Your perspective is VERY progressive in the most conservative way!
On 8/25/20 11:00 AM, cody dooderson
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I always wondered what Cody would look like in Dreds... but the Dooderson Warrior image feels more apt to this awesome riff!
On 8/25/20 11:04 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote:
Yes! You've nailed the calculus perfectly. Now all you need to do is gather a crowd and preach: https://youtu.be/hmyuE0NpNgE On 8/25/20 10:00 AM, cody dooderson wrote:Let me see if I am following this thread. It is liberal to eat sushi unless you are in japan where it is conservative, unless it's fugu. It's liberal to eat crawfish unless they are from the Rio Grande in which case it is very progressive. Owning a gun is liberal, unless you are supporting an authoritarian government with it. Unbridled mineral extraction is very much liberal action but opposed by progressives in favor of a more authoritarian environmental policy. - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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Like Aaron Burr who sings "...and I'm the guy who shot him!", I'm the guy who introduced JP (my neighbor) to CAS when he was but a mere lad. I obviously didn't give him enough warning. Crawfish are a Southern dish, so those who devour are surely conservative. Actually, the art of peeling is a bit Trumpian: with one hand you pinch the end of the tail hard and with the other pull out all the meat, leaving an empty shell behind. It's just as tasty next to the big pond in La Cienega as it is at the Crawfish Hole in Lafayette, Louisiana. Y'all come! You, too, Nick. On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 2:06 PM <[hidden email]> wrote: Ok guys. Keep my name out of this fishy thread. Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA mobile: (303) 859-5609 skype: merle.lelfkoff2 twitter: @Merle_Lefkoff - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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I'm not so sure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crayfish_as_food
In fact up until about 5 or 10 years ago, my mom used crawfish imported from China in her Lousiana-inspired gumbo [⛧]. She was reared in Beaumont, TX but we have lots of family everywhere BUT New Orleans. New Orleans is NOT Lousiana ... kinda like Fanta Se, I guess. I'm not sure how much of the crayfish in Timothy Lake (Oregon) are the native species. But the crawfish parties I've been to up here are *nothing* like those in East TX and Lousiana I've attended. 8^D ... nowhere near enough gunfire, Budweiser, and "fishing" for drunk friends who decided to check their trot lines at 3am. [⛧] It's Lousiana, not Louisiana, despite what the lame stream media or your "dictionaries" might think. On 8/25/20 1:08 PM, Merle Lefkoff wrote: > Crawfish are a Southern dish, so those who devour are surely conservative. -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
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Merle -
Are you back from San Juan Island then? What substitutes for the "mud bug" in that locale? And do Cienegan's actually "harvest" mud bugs from that pond? I was surprised to find them in the Rio Grande... I thought of them being strictly warm-water creatures... (e.g. Louisiana Bayou) - Steve - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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Remember our discussion of All the Kings Men, Glen? The little twitch, etc. The purpose of Huey Long's political career was to show those New Orleanians that they can't push us farmers around. When he was governor he even sent the National Guard to occupy the City Hall in NO. My great uncle helped Long write a book and later ran for mayor of the Crescent City. He also wrote an article about the "Crawfish" as a play on Long's nickname, "Kingfish", after they had become enemies. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 2:26 PM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <[hidden email]> wrote: I'm not so sure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crayfish_as_food - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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