How to reduce the influence of money in US politics!

[Steve Smith]

I just did a quick fact-check upon finding that Wozniak is one of the heavy hitter supporters of this.  He's supposedly worth $100M.  So if he just threw down the $5M,  that would be like one of us throwing down $5K or maybe $50K in some cases.   So, I still don't think Lessig's campaign is really about raising money... that is just the vehicle for raising awareness/interest?

While I don't think it is a bad idea to (using Glen's words) "fight fire with fire" by "buying back" the right to not have elections bought and sold, I'm still puzzled as to whether we have given up the fight when we decide that such things *can* (and apparently should?) be bought and sold?   Buying it back might be a good start to taking it off the market... a bit like buying up all the slaves and releasing them or hiring all the prostitutes to work as secretaries (can you pay them as well and provide all of the other perqs they are used to?).

Isn't there something important to notice when we notice that money *can* buy elections which in turn buys special favors?  

I don't want to be totally naive and pretend that there *are not* corrupt politicians willing (eager?  motivated by nothing else?) to sell their votes to the highest  bidder.   What I don't get is why we keep promoting them into candidacy, electing them, then letting them behave this way?   And why do we as the electorate allow big-money advertising/campaigning to sway us?  

I *get* that if the candidate never shows her face in public, it is hard to vote for her, and that it is hard for her to show her face well and often if she doesn't have *some* cash to pay for the tour bus, the "free lunches" etc.   But really?   Does a *lavish* lunch buy the vote that much better than a hot-dog?  Do "extremely slick" attack ads work a lot better than simple, blunt "the other guy is a big schmuck" ads?   Who are we, if we are swayed by slick talk, fancy ads, expensive bribes?  Or more to the point, who are we if we think *we* are above all that, but *the unwashed masses* are not?    Are we left with two (or three or four) inbred, isolated choirs sitting around singing to themselves?   Or does all that door-to-door (TV to TV) caroling make a difference?  

Apparently it does.  

Yes, our mechanism (unlimited campaign finance) is broken or at least lame... but isn't the fundamental problem our *culture*, a media-besotted culture who can be so easily swayed by billboards, flashy endorsements from celebrities, slick print/radio/TV ads?   How did choosing our representative leaders in a democracy become a popularity contest?   I *know* that some of lobbying and campaigning and advertising is in some way "necessary" in our modern culture... but what I don't get is how *we* let it be so key.   And who do we become, who are we, if we let that be "just the way it is"? 

Of course, I have no answer to any of this beyond my own self and my immediate sphere, and even there "scant influence".  

- Steve

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Joe

On 7/1/14, 10:22 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:

Dare I say, as expected, offered an opportunity to actual do something, many (the 91%?) keep explaining (debate back and forth) why one should do nothing.

With all the talent and expertise on this list, surely someone could help Larry Lessig succeed with his campaign?  It's complicated/complex.  Who's up to it?  Remember, this was inspired by Aaron Swartz.

Robert C

On 7/1/14 7:47 PM, Arlo Barnes wrote:

On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 5:36 PM, glen <[hidden email]> wrote:

But, again, hyper-focus on how we vote is probably no better than hyper-focus on how campaigns are funded.  If only there were some way we could compose multiple mechanisms into some magic machine and, oh I don't know, run it forward to see how it all works out, then compare that machine to data taken from the world and tweak the machine until it seems to work, then base our predictions off that machine.  [sigh] Sounds like science fiction to me!

 Sound like history to me. Although there are a few things about our current situation that are unique enough to make it hard to draw comparisons.

-Arlo James Barnes

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[Steve Smith]

In March, I began working with two (relatively) young tech entrepreneurs in the Ukraine.   Aside from their technical dominance with hard problems, they offered some amazing social consciousness examples from their own lives/culture.

In particular, about 4 years ago (they claim), the people (mostly middle/professional class) decided collectively (how did they negotiate this?  Social/commercial media? ???) to put an end to the corruption of their bureaucracies.   They collectively decided/agreed to quit paying bribes to get things done.   They recognized that if they did not pay bribes, then those who were in their positions specifically *to* profit in that manner would go away pretty fast.   According to them, it worked.

The Ukraine is a small and agile nation compared to the ageing behemoth that is the USA, so maybe this really can't work here, but I *liked* the spirit.   You don't bribe people to quit accepting bribes, for example, you cut them off at the pockets.

What about a pledge to "vote for the guy/gal with the *least* financial support" or following Obama's funding demographic, "vote for the guy/gal whose *average contribution* was the smallest"?

Maybe Lessig's campaign will generate this also as an awareness... maybe that is really what it is about... if so... more power to him... I'll send him a buck.  And keep on harping.

Carry on,
 - Steve

Dare I say, as expected, offered an opportunity to actual do something, many (the 91%?) keep explaining (debate back and forth) why one should do nothing.

With all the talent and expertise on this list, surely someone could help Larry Lessig succeed with his campaign?  It's complicated/complex.  Who's up to it?  Remember, this was inspired by Aaron Swartz.

Robert C

On 7/1/14 7:47 PM, Arlo Barnes wrote:

On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 5:36 PM, glen <[hidden email]> wrote:

But, again, hyper-focus on how we vote is probably no better than hyper-focus on how campaigns are funded.  If only there were some way we could compose multiple mechanisms into some magic machine and, oh I don't know, run it forward to see how it all works out, then compare that machine to data taken from the world and tweak the machine until it seems to work, then base our predictions off that machine.  [sigh] Sounds like science fiction to me!

 Sound like history to me. Although there are a few things about our current situation that are unique enough to make it hard to draw comparisons.

-Arlo James Barnes

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[glen ropella]

There are myriad ways to contribute.  I listed two URLs before that
exemplify ways to _work_ on the problem, rather than just tossing some
spare change at someone or putting up a web page to help funnel spare
change.

Some other ways to help include the many efforts to make debate an
actual thing (as opposed to the silliness we now call both online
discussion and organized candidate debates).  You can also spend your
time working on simulations of government and social systems.  Or you
can spend your time working on community driven investigative journalism
... or open source everything.

All of these things (and more) have been posted on this very list.  To
imply that nobody on this list has come up with anything more concrete
than tossing a few coins to a lawyer is a bit disingenuous.  And, for
whatever it's worth, Steve is right.  Not only can we do both, toss some
spare change at Lessig _and_ discuss whether that spare change will be
used effectively.  But that PAC is most likely _designed_ to cause
discussion over and above collecting spare change ... at least as long
as the discussion isn't solely to _shame_ other discussants.


On 07/02/2014 06:54 AM, Joseph Spinden wrote:
> It would be nice if someone here could come up with something concrete
> besides contributing.  Rather than wait for that, I also have created a
> pledge page <https://my.mayday.us/t/c257-Joseph-Spinden/> for anyone
> that would like to contribute to the Mayday Political Action Committee
> <https://mayday.us/>.


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[glen ropella]

On 07/01/2014 09:22 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:
> Dare I say, as expected, offered an opportunity to actual do something,
> many (the 91%?) keep explaining (debate back and forth) why one should
> do nothing.

You're being ridiculous, here.  Do you really think talking about
whether and how Lessig's campaign will work is "explaining why one
should do nothing"?  Should we all just daydream about a better day
without also thinking through how it would actually work?

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[glen ropella]

On 07/02/2014 08:33 AM, glen wrote:
> All of these things (and more) have been posted on this very list.

Here's one way to contribute that I haven't seen on the list (via the
reddit ama Joe posted), though I could have simply missed it:

    https://legalinformatics.wordpress.com/tag/gitlaw/
 
https://blog.abevoelker.com/gitlaw-github-for-laws-and-legal-documents-a-tourniquet-for-american-liberty/

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[Steve Smith]

While I don't believe that *every* problem can be solved with a source
code repository, this does seem like a very positive example of what the
tech world really does have to offer to the legal/political world.

But just one tiny cautionary reminder:  Remember how we used to believe
that Open Source was bulletproof because *so many people* were reviewing
it?  And then the big-fat-holes in OpenSSL showed up.   Getting our
legislation up on a source code control system is killer and important
and valuable...  but then we DO have to make sure take advantage of that
level of transparency.

> On 07/02/2014 08:33 AM, glen wrote:
>> All of these things (and more) have been posted on this very list.
>
> Here's one way to contribute that I haven't seen on the list (via the
> reddit ama Joe posted), though I could have simply missed it:
>
>    https://legalinformatics.wordpress.com/tag/gitlaw/
>
> https://blog.abevoelker.com/gitlaw-github-for-laws-and-legal-documents-a-tourniquet-for-american-liberty/ 
>
>

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[Robert J. Cordingley]

OK, go ahead debate away, you've got till July 4 to let us know if it
will work or not.  Good luck!

Meanwhile (perhaps echoing Joe's sentiment), who on this list can say
they are actively engaged in productive work (Complexity based or
otherwise) to reduce the influence of money in US politics? (95% of US
population agree its got out of hand.) Please share what you can and
what S.T.E.M. skills are being used.  Possibly, there are others here
who can help with such initiatives.

Robert C

On 7/2/14 9:35 AM, glen wrote:

> On 07/01/2014 09:22 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:
>> Dare I say, as expected, offered an opportunity to actual do something,
>> many (the 91%?) keep explaining (debate back and forth) why one should
>> do nothing.
>
> You're being ridiculous, here.  Do you really think talking about
> whether and how Lessig's campaign will work is "explaining why one
> should do nothing"?  Should we all just daydream about a better day
> without also thinking through how it would actually work?
>

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[glen ropella]

On 07/02/2014 03:45 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:
> OK, go ahead debate away, you've got till July 4 to let us know if it
> will work or not.  Good luck!

No, actually, we have plenty of time beyond 7/4.  Please see
https://mayday.us/.

> Meanwhile (perhaps echoing Joe's sentiment), who on this list can say
> they are actively engaged in productive work (Complexity based or
> otherwise) to reduce the influence of money in US politics? (95% of US
> population agree its got out of hand.) Please share what you can and
> what S.T.E.M. skills are being used.  Possibly, there are others here
> who can help with such initiatives.

http://oegov.org/

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[Owen Densmore]

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 4:55 PM, glen <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 07/02/2014 03:45 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:

OK, go ahead debate away, you've got till July 4 to let us know if it
will work or not.  Good luck!

No, actually, we have plenty of time beyond 7/4.  Please see https://mayday.us/.

​You meant it goes beyond 7/4?

My understanding is the *matching* fund is what is important .. if mayday gets $5M by 7/4, it gets matched by several wealthy folks.

I didn't see anything on the site about extending beyond 7/4.  I do know that when you pledge, you get to say "keep it anyway" if the goal is not made.  But the matching is where the magic is.

The map at 

    https://mayday.us/your-donations/

shows pledges by zip code.  Mine, 87505, shows 9 pledges for $485.  Nine pledges seems sorta puny.

   -- Owen

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[Owen Densmore]

Is this what you mean?

    For 2014, our goal is to create a $12 million fund...

They don't mean by year's end, they mean for the midterm elections, so really there's not a lot of time left.

   -- Owen

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 4:55 PM, glen <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 07/02/2014 03:45 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:

OK, go ahead debate away, you've got till July 4 to let us know if it
will work or not.  Good luck!

No, actually, we have plenty of time beyond 7/4.  Please see https://mayday.us/.

​You meant it goes beyond 7/4?

My understanding is the *matching* fund is what is important .. if mayday gets $5M by 7/4, it gets matched by several wealthy folks.

I didn't see anything on the site about extending beyond 7/4.  I do know that when you pledge, you get to say "keep it anyway" if the goal is not made.  But the matching is where the magic is.

The map at 

    https://mayday.us/your-donations/

shows pledges by zip code.  Mine, 87505, shows 9 pledges for $485.  Nine pledges seems sorta puny.

   -- Owen

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[glen ropella]

On 07/02/2014 04:50 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
> Is this what you mean?
>      For 2014, our goal is to create a $12 million fund...
>
> They don't mean by year's end, they mean for the midterm elections, so
> really there's not a lot of time left.

Yes, there's plenty of time to think about, discuss, and debate whether
or not it will work, whether or not the goal is met.  My point was that
Robert's "you have till 7/4 to let us know if it will work or not" was
just as ridiculous as his earlier claim that discussing how the money
will be used and whether or not it will work is "explaining why one
should do nothing".  And you don't even need to read the reddit ama.
You can infer that the supporters and advocates are not simply going to
throw up their hands and go home if the goal isn't met.

Further, as has been pointed out, $5M or even $100M probably won't make
much of a dent.  So, I'm with Steve on this one.  The PAC is not solely
about getting people elected and holding them accountable.  It's also
about raising the issue in our minds and, thereby, forcing it on
whatever representatives happen to be elected ... and I think _that's_
where the magic is.

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[Russ Abbott]

Yes, the PAC is about awareness. It's also a way to determine how much support can be generated. Failure to reach the 7/4 goal suggests that there may not be enough public outrage (or even just interest) to get the job done. I would find that very disappointing. I'm sure that Lessig won't stop if he doesn't get the money by 7/4. But he may step back and decide that this strategy (building mass support) failed and that another approach is needed.

 

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On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 5:01 PM, glen <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 07/02/2014 04:50 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:

Is this what you mean?
     For 2014, our goal is to create a $12 million fund...

They don't mean by year's end, they mean for the midterm elections, so
really there's not a lot of time left.

Yes, there's plenty of time to think about, discuss, and debate whether or not it will work, whether or not the goal is met.  My point was that Robert's "you have till 7/4 to let us know if it will work or not" was just as ridiculous as his earlier claim that discussing how the money will be used and whether or not it will work is "explaining why one should do nothing".  And you don't even need to read the reddit ama. You can infer that the supporters and advocates are not simply going to throw up their hands and go home if the goal isn't met.

Further, as has been pointed out, $5M or even $100M probably won't make much of a dent.  So, I'm with Steve on this one.  The PAC is not solely about getting people elected and holding them accountable.  It's also about raising the issue in our minds and, thereby, forcing it on whatever representatives happen to be elected ... and I think _that's_ where the magic is.

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[glen ropella]

On 07/02/2014 04:47 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
> The map at
> https://mayday.us/your-donations/
> shows pledges by zip code.  Mine, 87505, shows 9 pledges for $485.  Nine
> pledges seems sorta puny.

My zip is only doing slightly better at 19 donations for $1135.

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[Steve Smith]

OK, go ahead debate away, you've got till July 4 to let us know if it
will work or not.  Good luck!

No, actually, we have plenty of time beyond 7/4.  Please see https://mayday.us/.

​ You meant it goes beyond 7/4?

My understanding is the *matching* fund is what is important .. if mayday gets $5M by 7/4, it gets matched by several wealthy folks.

I didn't see anything on the site about extending beyond 7/4.  I do know that when you pledge, you get to say "keep it anyway" if the goal is not made.  But the matching is where the magic is.

The map at 

    https://mayday.us/your-donations/

shows pledges by zip code.  Mine, 87505, shows 9 pledges for $485.  Nine pledges seems sorta puny.

501, 505, 507 and 508mustered 29 and $1,375...

my own "team" of 506 and 544 mustered $685 with 12 pledges

c'mon slackers! double down!  Let's buy our government back!

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[Owen Densmore]

Dude!  I'm so on it!  Quad down.

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

OK, go ahead debate away, you've got till July 4 to let us know if it
will work or not.  Good luck!

No, actually, we have plenty of time beyond 7/4.  Please see https://mayday.us/.

​ You meant it goes beyond 7/4?

My understanding is the *matching* fund is what is important .. if mayday gets $5M by 7/4, it gets matched by several wealthy folks.

I didn't see anything on the site about extending beyond 7/4.  I do know that when you pledge, you get to say "keep it anyway" if the goal is not made.  But the matching is where the magic is.

The map at 

    https://mayday.us/your-donations/

shows pledges by zip code.  Mine, 87505, shows 9 pledges for $485.  Nine pledges seems sorta puny.

501, 505, 507 and 508mustered 29 and $1,375...

my own "team" of 506 and 544 mustered $685 with 12 pledges

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[Owen Densmore]

Hey, they're at $4,608,104, just $391,896 from their target!  Maybe? ....

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dude!  I'm so on it!  Quad down.

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

OK, go ahead debate away, you've got till July 4 to let us know if it
will work or not.  Good luck!

No, actually, we have plenty of time beyond 7/4.  Please see https://mayday.us/.

​ You meant it goes beyond 7/4?

My understanding is the *matching* fund is what is important .. if mayday gets $5M by 7/4, it gets matched by several wealthy folks.

I didn't see anything on the site about extending beyond 7/4.  I do know that when you pledge, you get to say "keep it anyway" if the goal is not made.  But the matching is where the magic is.

The map at 

    https://mayday.us/your-donations/

shows pledges by zip code.  Mine, 87505, shows 9 pledges for $485.  Nine pledges seems sorta puny.

501, 505, 507 and 508mustered 29 and $1,375...

my own "team" of 506 and 544 mustered $685 with 12 pledges

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[Robert J. Cordingley]

Based on Owen's number at 3:48 pm when I received the email and just now at 4:12 pm when it was $340,190 to go, seems like folks are pledging at the rate of about $106,765/hr which means they'll hit $5m in about 3-4 hours!  Make it so!

Robert C
PS I upped my pledge.

On 7/4/14 3:48 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:

Hey, they're at $4,608,104, just $391,896 from their target!  Maybe? ....

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dude!  I'm so on it!  Quad down.

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

OK, go ahead debate away, you've got till July 4 to let us know if it
will work or not.  Good luck!

No, actually, we have plenty of time beyond 7/4.  Please see https://mayday.us/.

​ You meant it goes beyond 7/4?

My understanding is the *matching* fund is what is important .. if mayday gets $5M by 7/4, it gets matched by several wealthy folks.

I didn't see anything on the site about extending beyond 7/4.  I do know that when you pledge, you get to say "keep it anyway" if the goal is not made.  But the matching is where the magic is.

The map at 

    https://mayday.us/your-donations/

shows pledges by zip code.  Mine, 87505, shows 9 pledges for $485.  Nine pledges seems sorta puny.

501, 505, 507 and 508mustered 29 and $1,375...

my own "team" of 506 and 544 mustered $685 with 12 pledges

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[Robert J. Cordingley]

Correction - typo: it was $349,190. Math was still ok - I think. R

On 7/4/14 4:20 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:

Based on Owen's number at 3:48 pm when I received the email and just now at 4:12 pm when it was $340,190 to go, seems like folks are pledging at the rate of about $106,765/hr which means they'll hit $5m in about 3-4 hours!  Make it so!

Robert C
PS I upped my pledge.

On 7/4/14 3:48 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:

Hey, they're at $4,608,104, just $391,896 from their target!  Maybe? ....

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dude!  I'm so on it!  Quad down.

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

OK, go ahead debate away, you've got till July 4 to let us know if it
will work or not.  Good luck!

No, actually, we have plenty of time beyond 7/4.  Please see https://mayday.us/.

​ You meant it goes beyond 7/4?

My understanding is the *matching* fund is what is important .. if mayday gets $5M by 7/4, it gets matched by several wealthy folks.

I didn't see anything on the site about extending beyond 7/4.  I do know that when you pledge, you get to say "keep it anyway" if the goal is not made.  But the matching is where the magic is.

The map at 

    https://mayday.us/your-donations/

shows pledges by zip code.  Mine, 87505, shows 9 pledges for $485.  Nine pledges seems sorta puny.

501, 505, 507 and 508mustered 29 and $1,375...

my own "team" of 506 and 544 mustered $685 with 12 pledges

c'mon slackers! double down!  Let's buy our government back!

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[Robert J. Cordingley]

A better projection:

X axis is Mountain Time today.
Robert

On 7/4/14 4:20 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:

Based on Owen's number at 3:48 pm when I received the email and just now at 4:12 pm when it was $340,190 to go, seems like folks are pledging at the rate of about $106,765/hr which means they'll hit $5m in about 3-4 hours!  Make it so!

Robert C
PS I upped my pledge.

On 7/4/14 3:48 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:

Hey, they're at $4,608,104, just $391,896 from their target!  Maybe? ....

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dude!  I'm so on it!  Quad down.

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

OK, go ahead debate away, you've got till July 4 to let us know if it
will work or not.  Good luck!

No, actually, we have plenty of time beyond 7/4.  Please see https://mayday.us/.

​ You meant it goes beyond 7/4?

My understanding is the *matching* fund is what is important .. if mayday gets $5M by 7/4, it gets matched by several wealthy folks.

I didn't see anything on the site about extending beyond 7/4.  I do know that when you pledge, you get to say "keep it anyway" if the goal is not made.  But the matching is where the magic is.

The map at 

    https://mayday.us/your-donations/

shows pledges by zip code.  Mine, 87505, shows 9 pledges for $485.  Nine pledges seems sorta puny.

501, 505, 507 and 508mustered 29 and $1,375...

my own "team" of 506 and 544 mustered $685 with 12 pledges

c'mon slackers! double down!  Let's buy our government back!

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[Owen Densmore]

Nice.  And a good thing they're using Hawaiian time! 

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Robert J. Cordingley <[hidden email]> wrote:

A better projection:

X axis is Mountain Time today.
Robert

On 7/4/14 4:20 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:

Based on Owen's number at 3:48 pm when I received the email and just now at 4:12 pm when it was $340,190 to go, seems like folks are pledging at the rate of about $106,765/hr which means they'll hit $5m in about 3-4 hours!  Make it so!

Robert C
PS I upped my pledge.

On 7/4/14 3:48 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:

Hey, they're at $4,608,104, just $391,896 from their target!  Maybe? ....

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dude!  I'm so on it!  Quad down.

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

OK, go ahead debate away, you've got till July 4 to let us know if it
will work or not.  Good luck!

No, actually, we have plenty of time beyond 7/4.  Please see https://mayday.us/.

​ You meant it goes beyond 7/4?

My understanding is the *matching* fund is what is important .. if mayday gets $5M by 7/4, it gets matched by several wealthy folks.

I didn't see anything on the site about extending beyond 7/4.  I do know that when you pledge, you get to say "keep it anyway" if the goal is not made.  But the matching is where the magic is.

The map at 

    https://mayday.us/your-donations/

shows pledges by zip code.  Mine, 87505, shows 9 pledges for $485.  Nine pledges seems sorta puny.

501, 505, 507 and 508mustered 29 and $1,375...

my own "team" of 506 and 544 mustered $685 with 12 pledges

c'mon slackers! double down!  Let's buy our government back!

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