Hmmmmm..... while I don't disagree with Nick, I also don't think he answered the question. It might well be that when we ask what a thinking man is doing in any particular instance, we are missing the point. And yet, as the man sits for longer and longer in his thoughts, that argument seems itself to have become more remote with regards to our concerns. Further, it seems empirically true that the man who gets up from thinking is sometimes different than the man who sat down to begin his pondering. What is THAT about? There is not a good answer to this question. I wrote a chapter with British experimental psychologists Andrew Wilson and Sabrina Golonka about the problem recently, in a collected volume on American Philosophy and the Brain. We lamented the lack of a good language with which to talk about what the brain does, arguing that cognitive-psychology speak is inadequate and was holding back the field. (Nothing too novel in that.) We also made some solid suggestions about what the new language would need to look like - drawing from ecological psychology, dynamic systems theory, and the like - even though we couldn't commit on its final form. Much of the text can be found here, and I'll get the full text if anyone is interested: https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=TvgqAwAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA127&dq=charles+andrew+sabrina+neuropragmatism&ots=F-EM6R_Zq1&sig=xa9EbE82QAxAXQVrtad64a-w6Ds#v=onepage&q=charles%20andrew%20sabrina%20neuropragmatism&f=false The answer has to be something of the form: He is reconfiguring himself. To the extent that he is "consciously thinking": He is responding to the fact that he is reconfiguring himself. He is like a man "psyching" himself up to lift a heavy weight, in that he has a "sense" of whether his body (brain included) is ready for the task ahead or not. To elaborate: Humans show a remarkable capacity to rapidly reconfigure into different types of "task-specific devices" (TSDs). That is, we are well tuned to (relatively) skillfully do one thing at one moment, and a different thing at a different moment. After contemplation, our thinking man is a different dynamic system than he was before, and he now connects to the larger dynamic system of himself-in-his-environment differently than he did before - he is sensitive to different variables, and responds to variables differently than before. While physiological psychology covers a wide range of systems, including hormonal systems, gut physiology, and lymphatic response, such processes are generally slow, operating on the scope of minutes to days. More rapid reconfiguration suggests that alteration of neuronal mechanisms is the best explanation for the changes observed during a typical bout of "thinking." These changes in neuronal mechanisms are a key component in a change in the habits (relatively predictable responses) one is prepared to display based on surrounding events. The question of self-awareness, then, is a question of how one re-cognizes what one is predisposed to do. This relates to the issue of apparent "higher-order" self-regulation by which one keeps one's self reconfiguring until one is ready to act, or until some additional factor pressures action. The principles that apply on that "higher" level, ought to be expressible in the same terms as those which operate on the "lower" levels. The skill of knowing when one is ready to answer a math problem, or give the public speech, or drive to work, etc., should be viewed as equivalent to the skill of knowing when one is ready to lift a given weight. Some weights are light enough that one is essentially always ready, some are close enough to the limits of one's ability that being (as much as is possible) the right type of task-specific device is crucial, and still other weights are so heavy that no amount of effort towards rapid reconfiguration will suffice. So it is with solving math problems, nailing a speech, or navigating dangerous roads in a vehicle. I fully acknowledge that lifting the near-limit weight will also rely on several of those minute-scaled bodily changes (blood oxygen, adrenaline, etc.). However, the key point is that whatever language we come to agree upon most allow us to highlight the similarities between that situation and the more typical examples of "thinking", rather than making it seem as if there is a an uncrossable gulf between the two activities. On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>Marcus wrote " Others are just involved in collective performance art in
the hopes of pushing their citation count higher." They profit since so many are seduced by crappy graphics. My last academic supervisor was one of these characters. But knowing that I finally completed my sentence in academic prison. Gentlemen don't retreat. Most children go through a stage when they experiment with watercolor paints. Parents dote on these kids. With little success. Once I condemned an artist for choosing a small easel, low expectations. But many artists choose self constraining media that they can easily master. They impose self restrictions on themselves yet seem to desire a great reputation. Glen's referents are salient and possibly very useful. These referents enter the neural landscape and transform the very connections of neurons. London Cabbies are famous world-wide for their mental skills and neuro-anatomy. Their rigorous mental models are astonishing. The artwork of most humans rarely progresses beyond flat 2D scribbles, and yet teaching them anything about the matter is almost useless. Some brains can create artifacts of surprising elegance and other brains make caca. And then there are the Economists that prefer the later. If the referents are robustly entrenched in formalism then likely so are the artifacts. vib -----Original Message----- From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: April-23-17 11:14 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the arc of socioeconomics, personal and public: was VPN server Heh, it amuses and frustrates me the pressure to publish when one could instead do something useful like develop and share code. Those "mental models" scribbled down on paper obviously have less value than tools to solve the general problem (i.e. working through all the boring but necessary cases to make it all computable), both as formalisms and from a utilitarian point of view. Nonetheless, I hear all the time from theory types that they "have it in their head and just have to write it down". Some of them I believe. Others are just involved in collective performance art in the hopes of pushing their citation count higher. Hmm, I seem to be down on academics today. ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
Vladimyr writes:
"If the referents are robustly entrenched in formalism then likely so are the artifacts." I work on source-to-source compilers. There's no real-world referent. Just transformations between representations. Marcus ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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Tom wrote:
"What do you think, folks? Worth the effort? I just received one of these. It gives another Wifi hotspot which can be directed by its web page or iOS app, to a VPN or Tor. I got the package that has unlimited VPN access (to about 20 different countries). No software setup is required. (Ok, I have a weakness for Kickstarter campaigns.)
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Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2017 1:10 PM To: Friam@redfish. com Subject: [FRIAM] How I made my own VPN server in 15 minutes | TechCrunch What do you think, folks? Worth the effort?
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