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Grappa Wireless Internet

Peter-2-2
http://grappawireless.com/about.html

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Re: Grappa Wireless Internet

Robert Holmes
Charming people but their internet service sucks. My connection from them is currently running at about 300K instead of the 1.5M I'm paying for ($70 per month). Also because of the location of their radio towers (Santa Fe ski basin) their service gets even worse during the winter. Last winter they ended up giving everyone a rebate on one month's fee, though personally I'd have rather have the up-time than the cash.

As soon as my contact expires, I'm transfering to Qwest, who have just started offering DSL in my neighbourhood.

Robert

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 4:10 PM, peter <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Re: Grappa Wireless Internet

Steve Smith
Robert Holmes wrote:
Charming people but their internet service sucks. My connection from them is currently running at about 300K instead of the 1.5M I'm paying for ($70 per month).
I'm on a similar Motorola 600Mhz System run by the San Ildefonso corporation Tewacom.com and have a similar experience (paying $60/month).   My service varies from 0-1.5M with ~.3M typical.   I get almost total dropouts for minutes at a time.  They continue to insist that my service is symmetric but it is rare that I get more than 50% of download on upload.   I use: http://speakeasy.net/speedtest/ most of the time.

If there is something inherently limited in these systems, I'd like to understand it.   I don't like pestering people trying to do their job (TewaCom or Grappa) but I also like getting consistent, expected performance.

Also because of the location of their radio towers (Santa Fe ski basin) their service gets even worse during the winter. Last winter they ended up giving everyone a rebate on one month's fee, though personally I'd have rather have the up-time than the cash.
I'm one mile from the TewaCom Xmitter and I get little if any weather-related problems, but do seem to find dropouts and I seem to need to reboot the 600Mhz modem somewhere between several times over a few days to only once in a month.
As soon as my contact expires, I'm transfering to Qwest, who have just started offering DSL in my neighbourhood.

I switched from 1.5M (nominally down) Satellite WildBlue (56k up) which was *never* down but averaged .5M down and .05 up with lots of lag. WildBlue also had monthly quotas (not sliding) which did not support iTunes-class downloads on a regular basis.

Previously I was on dialup which I rarely got higher than 28K connection with effective speeds of maybe 50% of that.

I think Wireless on this scale makes most sense only when there are no other choices.  If DSL or Cable come available, I think they are a better answer.


Robert

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 4:10 PM, peter <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Re: Grappa Wireless Internet

Don Begley

On Oct 26, 2008, at 3:18 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
Robert Holmes wrote:
Charming people but their internet service sucks. My connection from them is currently running at about 300K instead of the 1.5M I'm paying for ($70 per month).
I'm on a similar Motorola 600Mhz System run by the San Ildefonso corporation Tewacom.com and have a similar experience (paying $60/month).   My service varies from 0-1.5M with ~.3M typical.   I get almost total dropouts for minutes at a time.  They continue to insist that my service is symmetric but it is rare that I get more than 50% of download on upload.   I use: http://speakeasy.net/speedtest/ most of the time.

If there is something inherently limited in these systems, I'd like to understand it.   I don't like pestering people trying to do their job (TewaCom or Grappa) but I also like getting consistent, expected performance.


Out in La Canada Wireless land, we are blessed with a core of volunteers who keep the wireless system running. You get DSL to 12MPBS performance depending on the calls on the pipe at a given time. However, I've never seen anything above 3MBPS and suffer pauses if not dropouts upon occasion. 

As best I can tell, radio systems suffer two inherent drawbacks: first, they are shared pipes so performance degrades with use. Second, they share their channels with other radio-based systems including your neighbor's home wireless network. That seems to create packet drops and degrade performance significantly.

Thus, in LCWA's network the line-of-sight to my radio server crosses a heavily congested area with a number of units on the same channel as LCWA and I get lots of packet drops. Other users who don't have the interference don't have the drops and enjoy blazingly fast speeds.

The problem can even sabotage the network. I have friends on LCWA in the Madrid area. A while back there was an unidentified radio source in their area that brought their connection down after a few minutes. It went away when LCWA moved its signal. (This is from memory so don't quote me on the particulars but it's pointed in the general direction.)

Bottom line: LCWA's volunteers get plenty of exercise figuring out where the interference is coming from. That assumes the member has the right equipment and it's properly configured in the first place.

-d-


Also because of the location of their radio towers (Santa Fe ski basin) their service gets even worse during the winter. Last winter they ended up giving everyone a rebate on one month's fee, though personally I'd have rather have the up-time than the cash.
I'm one mile from the TewaCom Xmitter and I get little if any weather-related problems, but do seem to find dropouts and I seem to need to reboot the 600Mhz modem somewhere between several times over a few days to only once in a month.
As soon as my contact expires, I'm transfering to Qwest, who have just started offering DSL in my neighbourhood.

I switched from 1.5M (nominally down) Satellite WildBlue (56k up) which was *never* down but averaged .5M down and .05 up with lots of lag. WildBlue also had monthly quotas (not sliding) which did not support iTunes-class downloads on a regular basis.

Previously I was on dialup which I rarely got higher than 28K connection with effective speeds of maybe 50% of that.

I think Wireless on this scale makes most sense only when there are no other choices.  If DSL or Cable come available, I think they are a better answer.


Robert

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 4:10 PM, peter <[hidden email]> wrote:
http://grappawireless.com/about.html

Anyone in the group have any experience or comments on these guys

( : ( : pete
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Peter Baston

IDEAS

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