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Owen Densmore

GDP vs National Debt by Country |

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Reading about national debt problems in Europe, I tried to see what it looks like here and in the rest of the world and found this:
http://ww,w.visualeconomics.com/gdp-vs-national-debt-by-country/,

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Nick Thompson

Re: GDP vs National Debt by Country |

Interesting, Owen.

What do you make of this information?

N

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology,
Clark University ([hidden email])
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> [Original Message]
> From: Owen Densmore <[hidden email]>
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
> Date: 5/15/2010 5:52:30 PM
> Subject: [FRIAM] GDP vs National Debt by Country |
>
> Reading about national debt problems in Europe, I tried to see what it
looks like here and in the rest of the world and found this:

> http://ww,w.visualeconomics.com/gdp-vs-national-debt-by-country/,
>
>
> ---- Owen
>
>
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Russ Abbott

Re: GDP vs National Debt by Country |

Corrected URL: http://www.visualeconomics.com/gdp-vs-national-debt-by-country

-- Russ

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Nicholas Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Interesting, Owen.

What do you make of this information?

N

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology,
Clark University ([hidden email])
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
http://www.cusf.org [City University of Santa Fe]

> [Original Message]
> From: Owen Densmore <[hidden email]>
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
> Date: 5/15/2010 5:52:30 PM
> Subject: [FRIAM] GDP vs National Debt by Country |

>
> Reading about national debt problems in Europe, I tried to see what it
looks like here and in the rest of the world and found this:
> http://ww,w.visualeconomics.com/gdp-vs-national-debt-by-country/,
>
>
> ---- Owen
>
>
> I am an iPad, resistance is futile!
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Owen Densmore

Re: GDP vs National Debt by Country |

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In reply to this post by Nick Thompson

Well, I was interested in the European situation, and seeing the US debt being similar to others was surprising .. I figured we'd be off the charts! And the news talking heads were talking about the UK debt being the first order of business for the new gvt, but their debt was quite low.

---- Owen

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On May 15, 2010, at 6:11 PM, "Nicholas Thompson" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Interesting, Owen.
>
> What do you make of this information?
>
> N

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Russ Abbott

Re: GDP vs National Debt by Country |

Of the industrialized nations, Japan is in worst shape according to this measure. But no one seems to be worrying too much about the Yen. It's still treated as a safe harbor.

-- Russ A

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Well, I was interested in the European situation, and seeing the US debt being similar to others was surprising .. I figured we'd be off the charts! And the news talking heads were talking about the UK debt being the first order of business for the new gvt, but their debt was quite low.

---- Owen

I am an iPad, resistance is futile!

On May 15, 2010, at 6:11 PM, "Nicholas Thompson" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Interesting, Owen.
>
> What do you make of this information?
>
> N

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: GDP vs National Debt by Country |

Good times..

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2187rank.html

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Pamela McCorduck

Re: GDP vs National Debt by Country |

In reply to this post by Russ Abbott

Some real surprises. Mostly about who's in the black.Russia? Libya? (Oil in both cases, I suppose.) Chile?

On May 15, 2010, at 8:31 PM, Russ Abbott wrote:

Corrected URL: http://www.visualeconomics.com/gdp-vs-national-debt-by-country

-- Russ

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Nicholas Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
Interesting, Owen.

What do you make of this information?

N

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology,
Clark University ([hidden email])
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
http://www.cusf.org [City University of Santa Fe]

> [Original Message]
> From: Owen Densmore <[hidden email]>
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
> Date: 5/15/2010 5:52:30 PM
> Subject: [FRIAM] GDP vs National Debt by Country |

>
> Reading about national debt problems in Europe, I tried to see what it
looks like here and in the rest of the world and found this:
> http://ww,w.visualeconomics.com/gdp-vs-national-debt-by-country/,
>
>
> ---- Owen
>
>
> I am an iPad, resistance is futile!
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org

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Robert J. Cordingley

Re: GDP vs National Debt by Country |

In reply to this post by Marcus G. Daniels

Here's a question for an economist. When I net it out I come up with
$156 trillion surplus worldwide (equiv to 14% of the countries with
surpluses). Shouldn't it come out to zero?
Thanks
Robert

On 5/15/10 10:43 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

> Good times..
>
> https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2187rank.html
>
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Sarbajit Roy (testing)

Re: GDP vs National Debt by Country |

In reply to this post by Russ Abbott

The measure of national debt to GDP, is a very coarse measure and doesn't mean very much except to contain panic and reassure people in troubled economies.

For instance we can compare the net savings rate situation where the US which was traditionally -ve and which has only reached positive levels of around 2 to 3% of net disposable incomes after this last (2008) recession versus Japan which has tapered off from its highs of 20+% to about 5% today In China the net savings rate is estimated to be effectively over 40% and in India over 25% (not the official figures). The high inflows of external money into safe harbors with high net savings rate is causing tremendous local overheating (inflation) and very soon we could witness a "Rem trade" or "Rupee trade" like the "Yen trade" of the previous decade. The effect would be worse on nations with aging populations and a social security culture.

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Russ Abbott <[hidden email]> wrote:

Of the industrialized nations, Japan is in worst shape according to this measure. But no one seems to be worrying too much about the Yen. It's still treated as a safe harbor.

-- Russ A