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-- ----- Forwarded message from [hidden email] ----- Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 11:41:38 -0600 From: Ann Racuya-Robbins <[hidden email]> Reply-To: Ann Racuya-Robbins <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Invitation to Conversation/Discussion/Debate To: "glen e. p. ropella" <[hidden email]> Yes Glen I think most but not all of the differences have come to light in face to face interaction. I don't believe we have ever met or spoken face to face but I have of course seen many of your posts on Friam. I don't remember having much disagreement with your comments in general. I can see however, from your response below that you and I have something to discuss as well. I would like to make a more complete response and will do so later. -- Ann Racuya-Robbins Founder and CEO World Knowledge Bank www.wkbank.comQuoting "glen e. p. ropella" <[hidden email]>: > Emitted by Ann Racuya-Robbins circa 01/04/09 12:58 PM: >> I have come to the conclusion a number of thoughtful people at Friam, >> the Santa Fe Institute and the Complex and I may well have a >> fundamental, important, genuine and sincere philosophical difference of >> opinion about the future of the information/knowledge culture that is >> emerging in the world today. This difference includes how and when >> people should be rewarded for what they know? What is the most equitable >> way for people to share what they know? What does it mean for something >> to be ?free?? These are some of the areas of difference. I have spent >> decades thinking about these things but no one knows everything and I am >> sure I have more to learn. > > This is a bit cryptic. I presume the particulars of any disagreements > have come to light in face-to-face conversations? How and when you do > _you_ think people should be rewarded for what they know? How and when > does your opposition think people should be rewarded for what they know? > What do you think it means for something to be "free"? And what does > the opposition think? > > Personally, I believe people _should_ do almost precisely what they > already do. I.e. there are wide distributions for how and when people > get rewarded for what they know and that's how it "should" be. From > your using "should" in your question, I infer you think that (at least > some) people are NOT rewarded in the way or at the time they _should_ be > rewarded. > > Likewise, I tend to think that nothing is ever free. "Free" is a > delusion we willingly engage in so as to "externalize costs and > internalize profits". For example, "free software" is free in neither > sense of the word (free beer or positive freedoms). Like proprietary > software, the costs and benefits exist, they are just in different > places and require attention at different times. > > If the above discussion is irrelevant to what you intended, then please > elaborate and clarify! > > -- > glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, <a href="http://agent-based-modeling.com[1/" target="_blank">http://agent-based-modeling.com[1] > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at <a href="http://www.friam.org[2/" target="_blank">http://www.friam.org[2] > I love the "Emitted by.... BW ARR Links: ------ [1] http://agent-based-modeling.com/ [2] http://www.friam.org/ ----- End forwarded message ----- Yes Glen I think most but not all of the differences have come to light in face to face interaction. I don't believe we have ever met or spoken face to face but I have of course seen many of your posts on Friam. I don't remember having much disagreement with your comments in general. I can see however, from your response below that you and I have something to discuss as well. I would like to make a more complete response and will do so later. -- > Emitted by Ann Racuya-Robbins circa 01/04/09 12:58 PM: >> I have come to the conclusion a number of thoughtful people at Friam, >> the Santa Fe Institute and the Complex and I may well have a >> fundamental, important, genuine and sincere philosophical difference of >> opinion about the future of the information/knowledge culture that is >> emerging in the world today. This difference includes how and when >> people should be rewarded for what they know? What is the most equitable >> way for people to share what they know? What does it mean for something >> to be ?free?? These are some of the areas of difference. I have spent >> decades thinking about these things but no one knows everything and I am >> sure I have more to learn. > > This is a bit cryptic. I presume the particulars of any disagreements > have come to light in face-to-face conversations? How and when you do > _you_ think people should be rewarded for what they know? How and when > does your opposition think people should be rewarded for what they know? > What do you think it means for something to be "free"? And what does > the opposition think? > > Personally, I believe people _should_ do almost precisely what they > already do. I.e. there are wide distributions for how and when people > get rewarded for what they know and that's how it "should" be. From > your using "should" in your question, I infer you think that (at least > some) people are NOT rewarded in the way or at the time they _should_ be > rewarded. > > Likewise, I tend to think that nothing is ever free. "Free" is a > delusion we willingly engage in so as to "externalize costs and > internalize profits". For example, "free software" is free in neither > sense of the word (free beer or positive freedoms). Like proprietary > software, the costs and benefits exist, they are just in different > places and require attention at different times. > > If the above discussion is irrelevant to what you intended, then please > elaborate and clarify! > > -- > glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > I love the "Emitted by.... BW ARR ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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