Fwd: Nexus 7 review (2013)

[Owen Densmore]

Has anyone experience with this Google tablet?

   

http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/29/nexus-7-review-2013/

My interest is that ASUS seems to have a better relationship with Google than Samsung.  I would be interested in how easy it is upgraded to the new Android versions.

It seems possible ASUS may also be an important phone maker in the future.  It'd be nifty if they actually get a "phablet" to market.

   -- Owen

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[Gillian Densmore]

#Frank_n_Jekyl #Lab_Rat_Effect  #Google #Doug_Incoming  #Consumer_Proof  #Revenge_of_the_clone #Crak_level_Zero'd
#Weakest_lynk(copyleft) #Max_Xenos.#Do_they_even_lift?

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Has anyone experience with this Google tablet?

   

http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/29/nexus-7-review-2013/

My interest is that ASUS seems to have a better relationship with Google than Samsung.  I would be interested in how easy it is upgraded to the new Android versions.

It seems possible ASUS may also be an important phone maker in the future.  It'd be nifty if they actually get a "phablet" to market.

   -- Owen

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[Steve Smith]

Gil -

What you did here entertained me, even though  I don't quite know why.  

"Do they even lift?" sounds like a variant on "Does it Blend?"

- Steve

#Frank_n_Jekyl #Lab_Rat_Effect  #Google #Doug_Incoming  #Consumer_Proof  #Revenge_of_the_clone #Crak_level_Zero'd
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On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Has anyone experience with this Google tablet?

   

http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/29/nexus-7-review-2013/

My interest is that ASUS seems to have a better relationship with Google than Samsung.  I would be interested in how easy it is upgraded to the new Android versions.

It seems possible ASUS may also be an important phone maker in the future.  It'd be nifty if they actually get a "phablet" to market.

   -- Owen

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[Arlo Barnes]

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

What you did here entertained me, even though  I don't quite know why.

 KYM needs a better article on 'Parodying HashTags'. And speaking of noise versus signal in online communities, this is very noisy.

"Do they even lift?" sounds like a variant on "Does it Blend?"

Almost, but not quite. One vs. the Other

-Arlo

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[Steve Smith]

On 10/14/13 5:15 PM, Arlo Barnes wrote:

 KYM needs a better article on 'Parodying HashTags'. And speaking of noise versus signal in online communities, this is very noisy.

"Do they even lift?" sounds like a variant on "Does it Blend?"

Almost, but not quite. One vs. the Other

We would replace here: "Do you even LIFT?" with "Do you even CODE?" or  more likely "Have even read the JavaScript Spec?"  (or replace JS with "Haskell", "LISP", or perhaps more obscurely "Prolog")!

I think both phrases are intended to *dampen* the oscillations... something like changing the subject (albeit in a dismissive manner which does not damp the ill will, just perhaps it's direction?)

As an alternative to " Will it Blend" I recommend my wife's summer practice which has turned to handmade paper and eventually away from pre-blended soups of fiber to using an electric blender to beating a mass of wet fibers with a stick for hours.   I'm sure I have some frustrating tech at hand which I could submit this to...

Will it Pulp?

- Steve

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[Steve Smith]

 KYM needs a better article on 'Parodying HashTags'. And speaking of noise versus signal in online communities, this is very noisy.

"Do they even lift?" sounds like a variant on "Does it Blend?"

Almost, but not quite. One vs. the Other

We would replace here: "Do you even LIFT?" with "Do you even CODE?" or  more likely "Have even read the JavaScript Spec?"  (or replace JS with "Haskell", "LISP", or perhaps more obscurely "Prolog")!

Or in the more recent vein:
    "Do you even KNOW what entropy means?"
Then substitute "entropy" with "anthropomorphic" or "non-ergodic" or "quantum entanglement".



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[glen ropella]

Steve Smith wrote at 10/14/2013 04:48 PM:
>      "Do you even KNOW what entropy means?"
> Then substitute "entropy" with "anthropomorphic" or "non-ergodic" or "quantum entanglement".

Ha!  I received a good one awhile back: Do you even math?

My reaction at the time was surprisingly mature, especially for an impulsive jerk like me.  My immediate thought was ... well, no, not so much anymore. [sigh]  It's weird, though, every few years (perhaps 5 or so -- oddly, about the same amount of time I can spend living in one place before freaking out) I get caught up in (never interesting, never profound, never productive, always seemingly stupid) calculations.  I'll flail around for about a week, at the most a month, wasting lots of paper.  Then I just move on, for no apparent reason.  As I age, I find that I still do this sporadically.  But it's rarely math anymore.  Now it can be studying anything from the neuroscience of cats to engineered wood. [sigh]  I'm _hoping_ my next surprise energy bout will be about mushrooms.  Since we moved into this yard, I've managed to nurture the dirt around the house so that it looks more like living soil.  And in the past 1.5 years, I've had a peppering of beautiful but bewildering mushrooms.  
Too bad I'm too lazy to do any ... [ahem] ... mycology.  But I have other hopes ... bee keeping ... actually using Haskell for something ... grokking the local zoning laws ...

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[Steve Smith]

Glen -

     "Do you even KNOW what entropy means?"
Then substitute "entropy" with "anthropomorphic" or "non-ergodic" or "quantum entanglement".

Ha!  I received a good one awhile back: Do you even math?

My reaction at the time was surprisingly mature, especially for an impulsive jerk like me.

Even impulsive jerks have their moments! <grin>

  My immediate thought was ... well, no, not so much anymore. [sigh]  It's weird, though, every few years (perhaps 5 or so -- oddly, about the same amount of time I can spend living in one place before freaking out) I get caught up in (never interesting, never profound, never productive, always seemingly stupid) calculations.  I'll flail around for about a week, at the most a month, wasting lots of paper.  Then I just move on, for no apparent reason.  As I age, I find that I still do this sporadically.

Trust me, even though I'm not a generation older, I *can* attest that it only gets worse.   I used to hold my ability to do a lot of arithmetic in my head in high esteem... I now fumble for my calculator for nearly anything more complicated than adding two single digits or multiplying by 10 or 100. 

  But it's rarely math anymore. 

I can't say I've ever done math myself, despite a degree in it and 30 years of a wide range of applications of it.  On a good day I feel I can read and follow and appreciate good math, but sadly I never found myself rising to a level of actually doing any.   I think I was both supported and ruined by computers in that they let me "do algorithms" in the way I think I always imagined I would "do math".

Now it can be studying anything from the neuroscience of cats to engineered wood. [sigh]

yes, like that.

I'm _hoping_ my next surprise energy bout will be about mushrooms.

What about engineering building materials *from* mushrooms?  Or did you say you hoped you would be "on mushrooms"?

Somehow I imagine that looking like this:

Since we moved into this yard, I've managed to nurture the dirt around the house so that it looks more like living soil.  And in the past 1.5 years, I've had a peppering of beautiful but bewildering mushrooms.  Too bad I'm too lazy to do any ... [ahem] ... mycology.  But I have other hopes ... bee keeping ... actually using Haskell for something ... grokking the local zoning laws ...

I recently read something about the secret lives of bees and how they operate as a distributed computing/sensor network, with their honeycomb (both wax and honey) representing a cache if not a database of what they found in their distributed domain.  The image above notwithstanding, I don't know what connection there might be made between bees and mushrooms except that some apiests (is that a word?) use the smoke of puffball mushrooms to calm (drug down?) their bees before raiding or moving them.

- Steve


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[Dean Gerber]

Re: Do you  even  math?

Old mathematicians never die.

They just cease to count.

This is is my own creation by the way, inspired my some of Steve's   comments...  

Dean Geber

On Monday, October 14, 2013 9:37 PM, Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

Glen -

     "Do you even KNOW what entropy means?"
Then substitute "entropy" with "anthropomorphic" or "non-ergodic" or "quantum entanglement".

Ha!  I received a good one awhile back: Do you even math?

My reaction at the time was surprisingly mature, especially for an impulsive jerk like me.

Even impulsive jerks have their moments! <grin>

  My immediate thought was ... well, no, not so much anymore. [sigh]  It's weird, though, every few years (perhaps 5 or so -- oddly, about the same amount of time I can spend living in one place before freaking out) I get caught up in (never interesting, never profound, never productive, always seemingly stupid) calculations.  I'll flail around for about a week, at the most a month, wasting lots of paper.  Then I just move on, for no apparent reason.  As I age, I find that I still do this sporadically.

Trust me, even though I'm not a generation older, I *can* attest that it only gets worse.   I used to hold my ability to do a lot of arithmetic in my head in high esteem... I now fumble for my calculator for nearly anything more complicated than adding two single digits or multiplying by 10 or 100. 

  But it's rarely math anymore. 

I can't say I've ever done math myself, despite a degree in it and 30 years of a wide range of applications of it.  On a good day I feel I can read and follow and appreciate good math, but sadly I never found myself rising to a level of actually doing any.   I think I was both supported and ruined by computers in that they let me "do algorithms" in the way I think I always imagined I would "do math".

Now it can be studying anything from the neuroscience of cats to engineered wood. [sigh]

yes, like that.

I'm _hoping_ my next surprise energy bout will be about mushrooms.

What about engineering building materials *from* mushrooms?  Or did you say you hoped you would be "on mushrooms"?

Somehow I imagine that looking like this:

Since we moved into this yard, I've managed to nurture the dirt around the house so that it looks more like living soil.  And in the past 1.5 years, I've had a peppering of beautiful but bewildering mushrooms.  Too bad I'm too lazy to do any ... [ahem] ... mycology.  But I have other hopes ... bee keeping ... actually using Haskell for something ... grokking the local zoning laws ...

I recently read something about the secret lives of bees and how they operate as a distributed computing/sensor network, with their honeycomb (both wax and honey) representing a cache if not a database of what they found in their distributed domain.  The image above notwithstanding, I don't know what connection there might be made between bees and mushrooms except that some apiests (is that a word?) use the smoke of puffball mushrooms to calm (drug down?) their bees before raiding or moving them.

- Steve

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[Barry MacKichan]

apiarist (I love that a dictionary is a keystroke away on a Mac)

On 10/14/13 9:37 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
> except that some apiests (is that a word?)

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[Steve Smith]

On 10/15/13 10:14 AM, Barry MacKichan wrote:
> apiarist (I love that a dictionary is a keystroke away on a Mac)
>
> On 10/14/13 9:37 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
>> except that some apiests (is that a word?)
My (very) bad.  I bungled that at several levels...  I was trying to
coin a pun (ape-ist) and didn't even spell that right, much less
meta-tag it properly with "(pun intended)" (rather than "(is that a
word?") or provide enough background (I was drawing a parallel in my
mind between colony-animal behaviour and the colloquial use of the term
"to ape").

my bad,
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[Steve Smith]

On 10/15/13 10:14 AM, Barry MacKichan wrote:
> apiarist (I love that a dictionary is a keystroke away on a Mac)
Or more concisely: "Do you even Dictionary?"
>
> On 10/14/13 9:37 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
>> except that some apiests (is that a word?)

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[glen ropella]

Steve Smith wrote at 10/15/2013 10:44 AM:
> On 10/15/13 10:14 AM, Barry MacKichan wrote:
>> apiarist (I love that a dictionary is a keystroke away on a Mac)
>>
>> On 10/14/13 9:37 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
>>> except that some apiests (is that a word?)
> My (very) bad.  I bungled that at several levels...  I was trying to coin a pun (ape-ist) and didn't even spell that right, much less meta-tag it properly with "(pun intended)" (rather than "(is that a word?") or provide enough background (I was drawing a parallel in my mind between colony-animal behaviour and the colloquial use of the term "to ape").

Damn it.  I was hoping to respond before you came back around.  I read it as a-piest: someone who lacked pie-ism.  Then pie-ism could mean either 1) dogmatic piety or 2) dogmatic ceremony surrounding the creation and consumption of pie.

I'm definitely an apiest, since I lack any -ism(s) relating to piety or pie, or the piety of pie ... though I admit to being pi-qued by pi-ism ... or, assuming you're using the right e-mail client π-ism.

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[Steve Smith]

Glen -

>>>> except that some apiests (is that a word?)
>> My (very) bad.  I bungled that at several levels...  I was trying to
>> coin a pun (ape-ist) and didn't even spell that right, much less
>> meta-tag it properly with "(pun intended)" (rather than "(is that a
>> word?") or provide enough background (I was drawing a parallel in my
>> mind between colony-animal behaviour and the colloquial use of the
>> term "to ape").
>
> Damn it.  I was hoping to respond before you came back around.  I read
> it as a-piest: someone who lacked pie-ism.  Then pie-ism could mean
> either 1) dogmatic piety or 2) dogmatic ceremony surrounding the
> creation and consumption of pie.
>
> I'm definitely an apiest, since I lack any -ism(s) relating to piety
> or pie, or the piety of pie ... though I admit to being pi-qued by
> pi-ism ... or, assuming you're using the right e-mail client π-ism.

Touche'

(and yes, my Thunderbird likes your character encoding)
- Steve


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[glen ropella]

Steve Smith wrote at 10/14/2013 08:37 PM:
> I can't say I've ever done math myself, despite a degree in it and 30 years of a
> wide range of applications of it.  On a good day I feel I can read and follow
> and appreciate good math, but sadly I never found myself rising to a level of
> actually doing any.   I think I was both supported and ruined by computers in
> that they let me "do algorithms" in the way I think I always imagined I would
> "do math".

This depends, of course, on what you mean by "math".  The kind I sometimes get engrossed in ends up pure symbol manipulation.  I don't really play any instruments.  But I've dabbled enough to get the same (very similar) feeling as when "doing math".  It ends up being a kind of meditation, embracing the Id.  As with math, I've never achieved any objectives with music.  But I do have a lot of fun in those "emergent" groups where anyone's welcome to join in.  There tends to be mostly drums.  But there's always a subset of people with good improvising instruments like the sax, trumpet, flute, trombone, etc. to provide an ethereal fluidity that floats and bounces atop the more -urgic drums.  It gets interesting when the group crosses the 10-15 participant threshold.

I've found that objective-oriented musicians either don't grok or are irritated by those groups.  And, I admit that if you're not capable of sedating your ego, there's plenty to get upset about.  I have yet to attend a psytrance rave.  But I suspect they lead to a similar state, but perhaps more kinesthetic.

> What about engineering building materials *from* mushrooms
> <http://www.ecovativedesign.com/products-and-applications/insulation/>?  Or did
> you say you hoped you would be "on mushrooms"?

That's fantastic!  Thanks for that link.

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[Steve Smith]

Glen -

...  I think I was both supported and ruined by computers in

that they let me "do algorithms" in the way I think I always imagined I would
"do math".

This depends, of course, on what you mean by "math".  The kind I sometimes get engrossed in ends up pure symbol manipulation.

in the spirit of the "other thread", "math" is extremely overloaded.   I'd guess that to 90% of the population "math" is "arithmetic".   To most with advanced technical education, I find "doing math" means "using math", usually linear algebra, maybe some geometry, maybe some calculus... or one of the many specialized subdomains of applied mathematics that gets used to leverage sticky technical problems up out of the holes they like to settle into.   Markov processes, fourier analysis, vector analysis, matrix manipulation, etc...    

I myself live in this domain.   For a long time, however, I had the benefit of working around people who occasionally actually "did math"...  exploring the elaboration of math... perhaps "making math" is a better term.   My latest stint in this environment involved the extension of category theory for the purpose of applying it to neural models of cognition (developing models of cognition based on neural-style circuitry with a *lot* of esoteric category theory mumbling that I literally could not follow)...  my place was simply to help add intuition and develop visualization tools to leverage how we might look at and discuss the models they would build.   It's a defunct project now, but there is a book on the subject being written by the PIs of the original project.  Doing Math (or Making Math?) seems to be staggeringly slow and painful.   Despite a BS in Math and a handful of grad courses in pure math, I can't say I ever was a mathematician, and I find real mathematicians rare to find.

But I *really* do enjoy applied math... both in the sense of developing formal models of systems based on "real" mathematics and in the sense of developing algorithms based on such models and using complexity theory to sort out the expected space-time performance envelope of same.

I don't really play any instruments.  But I've dabbled enough to get the same (very similar) feeling as when "doing math".  It ends up being a kind of meditation, embracing the Id.  As with math, I've never achieved any objectives with music.  But I do have a lot of fun in those "emergent" groups where anyone's welcome to join in.  There tends to be mostly drums.  But there's always a subset of people with good improvising instruments like the sax, trumpet, flute, trombone, etc. to provide an ethereal fluidity that floats and bounces atop the more -urgic drums.  It gets interesting when the group crosses the 10-15 participant threshold.

Don't make Doug get out his Sax and wail on it here! 

I have to admit to really enjoying being in the presence of a jam session.... I myself can barely play a record despite an early career as a DJ, and it takes me an average of 3 tries to get a CD into a player correctly...   and no matter what I do with Pandora, it wanders off playing things for me I would never want to hear, much less be caught listening to!  

My partner in Musification (PhD Composer with patents in translating data into music) can attest that any theoretical understanding I have of some musical topics doesn't begin to translate to anything like doing music.   In the analogy with Math, it is like I have learned Arithmetic up through summing fractions and can occasionally multiply or divide by 10 without a calculator.  Our current project involves quorum sensing.

I've found that objective-oriented musicians either don't grok or are irritated by those groups.  And, I admit that if you're not capable of sedating your ego, there's plenty to get upset about.  I have yet to attend a psytrance rave.  But I suspect they lead to a similar state, but perhaps more kinesthetic.

I did like David Stout's (David, are you still on this list?) musical installation team/group known as "Noise Fold".   It made me think of the terms "Fold, Spindle and Mutilate".   I think it takes a lot of patience, immersion, or maybe altered states to properly enagage (much less enjoy?) a lot of this kind of "music".   Far be it from me to discount something I simply don't have a visceral understanding of.

I feel that I am impoverished for never developing  a first-person experience of music beyond singing along in the car to oldies and tapping my foot (roughly) to the rhythm of a catchy tune.

- Steve

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[Russell Standish-2]

On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 01:00:49PM -0600, Steve Smith wrote:

> Glen -
> >I'm definitely an apiest, since I lack any -ism(s) relating to
> >piety or pie, or the piety of pie ... though I admit to being
> >pi-qued by pi-ism ... or, assuming you're using the right e-mail
> >client π-ism.
>
> Touche'
>
> (and yes, my Thunderbird likes your character encoding)
> - Steve

As does mutt! Modern plain text email readers cope quite well with
unicode - just not HTML so much.

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