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[Merle Lefkoff-2]

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This letter: Press conference outside Santa Fe City Hall at noon on Wednesday Jan. 15 (map) -- please come, and please recruit others

Dear New Mexico friends –

As we have explained in previous letters, Wednesday is the day on which the City will announce the finalists for "Master Developer" of the former College of Santa Fe site (and possibly surrounding properties as well, a 64- to ~100-acre project). The National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) has applied for this role. NNSA and/or Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) are present in some (not all) other proposals, as tenant(s).

The situation is opaque, fluid, and developing. So far, Mayor Webber has disdainfully rebuffed our requests to meet or discuss the momentous social, cultural, and economic development impacts of placing a nuclear weapons campus in Santa Fe. (Don't be deceived -- that is exactly what LANL is and what this would be.)

People power may be the only force stronger than LANL's money and corruption. We really need you to help us expand our numbers.

If you live anywhere nearby please come to this joint press conference, and please ask as many friends to come as possible. Sheer attendance matters. A strong showing Wednesday will save countless hours of work later, and will give wings to efforts to push back on LANL's entirely unjustified expansion. There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. Some of them need to see some spine from us out here to take to their bosses.

New Mexico is being selected to be a nuclear weapons support and sacrifice area. That now includes the Santa Fe metro area.

We may not know know the outcome of this first Midtown Campus decision by noon Wednesday but regardless of that we must seize the day.

While it seems absurd that NNSA could be a possible "master developer," we can't be sure that Mayor Webber and the people around him wouldn't want that -- or want, say, a training facility for plutonium workers. We just don't know.

This event will also give us a chance for us to network with each other and with representatives of any other groups present, as well as speak to any City officials willing to do so.

Getting people to come on Wednesday is the sole action item we are recommending right now. It is very, very important! 

Thank you!

Greg, Trish, Lydia, Ernie, Michelle, and the rest of the Study Group

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Greg Mello
Los Alamos Study Group
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[Marcus G. Daniels]

< There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. >

I am confident the use of such a property would be for science, administration, and outreach & training functions, not secure national work.   It would probably make a lot of LANL employees happy, as many of them live in Santa Fe.    Anyway, get real, if it wasn't for all the federal money, cities in New Mexico would collapse, there would be no SFI, etc. 

Marcus

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This letter: Press conference outside Santa Fe City Hall at noon on Wednesday Jan. 15 (map) -- please come, and please recruit others

Dear New Mexico friends –

As we have explained in previous letters, Wednesday is the day on which the City will announce the finalists for "Master Developer" of the former College of Santa Fe site (and possibly surrounding properties as well, a 64- to ~100-acre project). The National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) has applied for this role. NNSA and/or Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) are present in some (not all) other proposals, as tenant(s).

The situation is opaque, fluid, and developing. So far, Mayor Webber has disdainfully rebuffed our requests to meet or discuss the momentous social, cultural, and economic development impacts of placing a nuclear weapons campus in Santa Fe. (Don't be deceived -- that is exactly what LANL is and what this would be.)

People power may be the only force stronger than LANL's money and corruption. We really need you to help us expand our numbers.

If you live anywhere nearby please come to this joint press conference, and please ask as many friends to come as possible. Sheer attendance matters. A strong showing Wednesday will save countless hours of work later, and will give wings to efforts to push back on LANL's entirely unjustified expansion. There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. Some of them need to see some spine from us out here to take to their bosses.

New Mexico is being selected to be a nuclear weapons support and sacrifice area. That now includes the Santa Fe metro area.

We may not know know the outcome of this first Midtown Campus decision by noon Wednesday but regardless of that we must seize the day.

While it seems absurd that NNSA could be a possible "master developer," we can't be sure that Mayor Webber and the people around him wouldn't want that -- or want, say, a training facility for plutonium workers. We just don't know.

This event will also give us a chance for us to network with each other and with representatives of any other groups present, as well as speak to any City officials willing to do so.

Getting people to come on Wednesday is the sole action item we are recommending right now. It is very, very important! 

Thank you!

Greg, Trish, Lydia, Ernie, Michelle, and the rest of the Study Group

--

Greg Mello
Los Alamos Study Group
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Albuquerque, NM 87106
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[Frank Wimberly-2]

In Pittsburgh I worked with a man who had formerly worked at LANL in plasma physics.  When I told him about my relationship to NM he said the it is a state on welfare.  He was referring to the percentage of that State's economy based on Federal $$.  Highest in the US?  I am aware of many projects at LANL that are not about weapons but others know more about that than I.

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020, 8:33 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

< There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. >

I am confident the use of such a property would be for science, administration, and outreach & training functions, not secure national work.   It would probably make a lot of LANL employees happy, as many of them live in Santa Fe.    Anyway, get real, if it wasn't for all the federal money, cities in New Mexico would collapse, there would be no SFI, etc. 

Marcus

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From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]>
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Subject: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

 

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Date: Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 2:23 PM
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This letter: Press conference outside Santa Fe City Hall at noon on Wednesday Jan. 15 (map) -- please come, and please recruit others

Dear New Mexico friends –

As we have explained in previous letters, Wednesday is the day on which the City will announce the finalists for "Master Developer" of the former College of Santa Fe site (and possibly surrounding properties as well, a 64- to ~100-acre project). The National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) has applied for this role. NNSA and/or Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) are present in some (not all) other proposals, as tenant(s).

The situation is opaque, fluid, and developing. So far, Mayor Webber has disdainfully rebuffed our requests to meet or discuss the momentous social, cultural, and economic development impacts of placing a nuclear weapons campus in Santa Fe. (Don't be deceived -- that is exactly what LANL is and what this would be.)

People power may be the only force stronger than LANL's money and corruption. We really need you to help us expand our numbers.

If you live anywhere nearby please come to this joint press conference, and please ask as many friends to come as possible. Sheer attendance matters. A strong showing Wednesday will save countless hours of work later, and will give wings to efforts to push back on LANL's entirely unjustified expansion. There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. Some of them need to see some spine from us out here to take to their bosses.

New Mexico is being selected to be a nuclear weapons support and sacrifice area. That now includes the Santa Fe metro area.

We may not know know the outcome of this first Midtown Campus decision by noon Wednesday but regardless of that we must seize the day.

While it seems absurd that NNSA could be a possible "master developer," we can't be sure that Mayor Webber and the people around him wouldn't want that -- or want, say, a training facility for plutonium workers. We just don't know.

This event will also give us a chance for us to network with each other and with representatives of any other groups present, as well as speak to any City officials willing to do so.

Getting people to come on Wednesday is the sole action item we are recommending right now. It is very, very important! 

Thank you!

Greg, Trish, Lydia, Ernie, Michelle, and the rest of the Study Group

--

Greg Mello
Los Alamos Study Group
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Albuquerque, NM 87106
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Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D.
President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy
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Oh, Gosh, Merle.  Not sure I’m on your side on this one. 

 

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From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Merle Lefkoff
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This letter: Press conference outside Santa Fe City Hall at noon on Wednesday Jan. 15 (map) -- please come, and please recruit others

Dear New Mexico friends –

As we have explained in previous letters, Wednesday is the day on which the City will announce the finalists for "Master Developer" of the former College of Santa Fe site (and possibly surrounding properties as well, a 64- to ~100-acre project). The National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) has applied for this role. NNSA and/or Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) are present in some (not all) other proposals, as tenant(s).

The situation is opaque, fluid, and developing. So far, Mayor Webber has disdainfully rebuffed our requests to meet or discuss the momentous social, cultural, and economic development impacts of placing a nuclear weapons campus in Santa Fe. (Don't be deceived -- that is exactly what LANL is and what this would be.)

People power may be the only force stronger than LANL's money and corruption. We really need you to help us expand our numbers.

If you live anywhere nearby please come to this joint press conference, and please ask as many friends to come as possible. Sheer attendance matters. A strong showing Wednesday will save countless hours of work later, and will give wings to efforts to push back on LANL's entirely unjustified expansion. There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. Some of them need to see some spine from us out here to take to their bosses.

New Mexico is being selected to be a nuclear weapons support and sacrifice area. That now includes the Santa Fe metro area.

We may not know know the outcome of this first Midtown Campus decision by noon Wednesday but regardless of that we must seize the day.

While it seems absurd that NNSA could be a possible "master developer," we can't be sure that Mayor Webber and the people around him wouldn't want that -- or want, say, a training facility for plutonium workers. We just don't know.

This event will also give us a chance for us to network with each other and with representatives of any other groups present, as well as speak to any City officials willing to do so.

Getting people to come on Wednesday is the sole action item we are recommending right now. It is very, very important! 

Thank you!

Greg, Trish, Lydia, Ernie, Michelle, and the rest of the Study Group

--

Greg Mello
Los Alamos Study Group
2901 Summit Place NE
Albuquerque, NM 87106
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Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D.
President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy
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Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA

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[Marcus G. Daniels]

It would make sense to put an organization like the Center for Nonlinear Studies in Santa Fe.   Academics could fly in to the municipal airport, give a talk and leave without it being hours more of effort slogging up and down the hill.   Badging could be further streamlined, or maybe just eliminated.   Maybe they could even have public talks as there’d be no need for security hovering at all times.   A lot of foreign nationals don’t stay to be staff members, as is it advantageous to get a clearance (and a foreign national cannot).   If they diffused into the Santa Fe population, maybe they’d stay and create start-ups.   There is little reason to live in Los Alamos, as there just is nothing up there, economically speaking, except the company.  (Ok, they have good schools, but that’s it.)   Smart public relations for LANL if they can pull it off.

 

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]>
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In Pittsburgh I worked with a man who had formerly worked at LANL in plasma physics.  When I told him about my relationship to NM he said the it is a state on welfare.  He was referring to the percentage of that State's economy based on Federal $$.  Highest in the US?  I am aware of many projects at LANL that are not about weapons but others know more about that than I.

-----------------------------------
Frank Wimberly

Phone [phone]

 

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020, 8:33 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

< There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. >

 

I am confident the use of such a property would be for science, administration, and outreach & training functions, not secure national work.   It would probably make a lot of LANL employees happy, as many of them live in Santa Fe.    Anyway, get real, if it wasn't for all the federal money, cities in New Mexico would collapse, there would be no SFI, etc. 

 

Marcus

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From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 2:41 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

 

 

 

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Subject: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12;00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends
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This letter: Press conference outside Santa Fe City Hall at noon on Wednesday Jan. 15 (map) -- please come, and please recruit others

Dear New Mexico friends –

As we have explained in previous letters, Wednesday is the day on which the City will announce the finalists for "Master Developer" of the former College of Santa Fe site (and possibly surrounding properties as well, a 64- to ~100-acre project). The National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) has applied for this role. NNSA and/or Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) are present in some (not all) other proposals, as tenant(s).

The situation is opaque, fluid, and developing. So far, Mayor Webber has disdainfully rebuffed our requests to meet or discuss the momentous social, cultural, and economic development impacts of placing a nuclear weapons campus in Santa Fe. (Don't be deceived -- that is exactly what LANL is and what this would be.)

People power may be the only force stronger than LANL's money and corruption. We really need you to help us expand our numbers.

If you live anywhere nearby please come to this joint press conference, and please ask as many friends to come as possible. Sheer attendance matters. A strong showing Wednesday will save countless hours of work later, and will give wings to efforts to push back on LANL's entirely unjustified expansion. There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. Some of them need to see some spine from us out here to take to their bosses.

New Mexico is being selected to be a nuclear weapons support and sacrifice area. That now includes the Santa Fe metro area.

We may not know know the outcome of this first Midtown Campus decision by noon Wednesday but regardless of that we must seize the day.

While it seems absurd that NNSA could be a possible "master developer," we can't be sure that Mayor Webber and the people around him wouldn't want that -- or want, say, a training facility for plutonium workers. We just don't know.

This event will also give us a chance for us to network with each other and with representatives of any other groups present, as well as speak to any City officials willing to do so.

Getting people to come on Wednesday is the sole action item we are recommending right now. It is very, very important! 

Thank you!

Greg, Trish, Lydia, Ernie, Michelle, and the rest of the Study Group

--

Greg Mello
Los Alamos Study Group
2901 Summit Place NE
Albuquerque, NM 87106
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505-577-8563 cell

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Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D.
President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy
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Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA

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[Merle Lefkoff-2]

Marcus, I spent four years at CNLS as Guest Scientist and Affiliate.  I still wouldn't be O.K. if it were housed in Santa Fe.  Nuclear weapons work--and Lanl is a nuclear weapons laboratory-- whether research or training or administration doesn't belong anywhere on the planet.  But if it is going to be pursued by flawed human beings, it belongs up on the hill.  As many of us know, and you rightly point out, our local economy is in a far-from-equilibrium state.  Bringing more humane education of some kind to Santa Fe would provide a tiny bit more balance.

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 9:06 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

It would make sense to put an organization like the Center for Nonlinear Studies in Santa Fe.   Academics could fly in to the municipal airport, give a talk and leave without it being hours more of effort slogging up and down the hill.   Badging could be further streamlined, or maybe just eliminated.   Maybe they could even have public talks as there’d be no need for security hovering at all times.   A lot of foreign nationals don’t stay to be staff members, as is it advantageous to get a clearance (and a foreign national cannot).   If they diffused into the Santa Fe population, maybe they’d stay and create start-ups.   There is little reason to live in Los Alamos, as there just is nothing up there, economically speaking, except the company.  (Ok, they have good schools, but that’s it.)   Smart public relations for LANL if they can pull it off.

 

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]>
Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Date: Monday, January 13, 2020 at 7:41 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

 

In Pittsburgh I worked with a man who had formerly worked at LANL in plasma physics.  When I told him about my relationship to NM he said the it is a state on welfare.  He was referring to the percentage of that State's economy based on Federal $$.  Highest in the US?  I am aware of many projects at LANL that are not about weapons but others know more about that than I.

-----------------------------------
Frank Wimberly

Phone [phone]

 

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020, 8:33 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

< There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. >

 

I am confident the use of such a property would be for science, administration, and outreach & training functions, not secure national work.   It would probably make a lot of LANL employees happy, as many of them live in Santa Fe.    Anyway, get real, if it wasn't for all the federal money, cities in New Mexico would collapse, there would be no SFI, etc. 

 

Marcus

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Dear New Mexico friends –

As we have explained in previous letters, Wednesday is the day on which the City will announce the finalists for "Master Developer" of the former College of Santa Fe site (and possibly surrounding properties as well, a 64- to ~100-acre project). The National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) has applied for this role. NNSA and/or Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) are present in some (not all) other proposals, as tenant(s).

The situation is opaque, fluid, and developing. So far, Mayor Webber has disdainfully rebuffed our requests to meet or discuss the momentous social, cultural, and economic development impacts of placing a nuclear weapons campus in Santa Fe. (Don't be deceived -- that is exactly what LANL is and what this would be.)

People power may be the only force stronger than LANL's money and corruption. We really need you to help us expand our numbers.

If you live anywhere nearby please come to this joint press conference, and please ask as many friends to come as possible. Sheer attendance matters. A strong showing Wednesday will save countless hours of work later, and will give wings to efforts to push back on LANL's entirely unjustified expansion. There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. Some of them need to see some spine from us out here to take to their bosses.

New Mexico is being selected to be a nuclear weapons support and sacrifice area. That now includes the Santa Fe metro area.

We may not know know the outcome of this first Midtown Campus decision by noon Wednesday but regardless of that we must seize the day.

While it seems absurd that NNSA could be a possible "master developer," we can't be sure that Mayor Webber and the people around him wouldn't want that -- or want, say, a training facility for plutonium workers. We just don't know.

This event will also give us a chance for us to network with each other and with representatives of any other groups present, as well as speak to any City officials willing to do so.

Getting people to come on Wednesday is the sole action item we are recommending right now. It is very, very important! 

Thank you!

Greg, Trish, Lydia, Ernie, Michelle, and the rest of the Study Group

--

Greg Mello
Los Alamos Study Group
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[Marcus G. Daniels]

In one e-mail you say that advocates for worthy non-profits have an obligation to redistribute money from those having ill-gotten gains, but in this case it “flawed human beings” “belong up on the hill”.    It seems there is an ethical line in your mind after all.    This is not to say that *I* think LANL has ill-gotten gains, but if *you* did, it seems to be exactly what you were suggesting:   As a LANL scientist (~ leader of a non-profit), one *should* seek a portion of the multi-billion dollar budget (~ Epstein riches) and do some science (~ good not bad thing) with it.

 

It is voters in the US that have given LANL the primary role that it has had.   If voters don’t like that role, they should change their government.   I think voters do like and want that role, because they being a dominant country in the world.   A menacing military helps make it so.   Recently, many voters have been pretty overt about their predatory inclinations, with Trump’s walls and all that.

 

LANL is a premier Department of Energy lab that without any huge structural changes could further advance climate prediction and mitigation, renewable energy, planetary defense, environmental cleanup, or pretty much anything.    There will be hundreds if not thousands of staff up there that would love to diversify their priorities if given the opportunity.

 

Marcus

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]>
Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
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Marcus, I spent four years at CNLS as Guest Scientist and Affiliate.  I still wouldn't be O.K. if it were housed in Santa Fe.  Nuclear weapons work--and Lanl is a nuclear weapons laboratory-- whether research or training or administration doesn't belong anywhere on the planet.  But if it is going to be pursued by flawed human beings, it belongs up on the hill.  As many of us know, and you rightly point out, our local economy is in a far-from-equilibrium state.  Bringing more humane education of some kind to Santa Fe would provide a tiny bit more balance.

 

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 9:06 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

It would make sense to put an organization like the Center for Nonlinear Studies in Santa Fe.   Academics could fly in to the municipal airport, give a talk and leave without it being hours more of effort slogging up and down the hill.   Badging could be further streamlined, or maybe just eliminated.   Maybe they could even have public talks as there’d be no need for security hovering at all times.   A lot of foreign nationals don’t stay to be staff members, as is it advantageous to get a clearance (and a foreign national cannot).   If they diffused into the Santa Fe population, maybe they’d stay and create start-ups.   There is little reason to live in Los Alamos, as there just is nothing up there, economically speaking, except the company.  (Ok, they have good schools, but that’s it.)   Smart public relations for LANL if they can pull it off.

 

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In Pittsburgh I worked with a man who had formerly worked at LANL in plasma physics.  When I told him about my relationship to NM he said the it is a state on welfare.  He was referring to the percentage of that State's economy based on Federal $$.  Highest in the US?  I am aware of many projects at LANL that are not about weapons but others know more about that than I.

-----------------------------------
Frank Wimberly

Phone [phone]

 

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020, 8:33 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

< There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. >

 

I am confident the use of such a property would be for science, administration, and outreach & training functions, not secure national work.   It would probably make a lot of LANL employees happy, as many of them live in Santa Fe.    Anyway, get real, if it wasn't for all the federal money, cities in New Mexico would collapse, there would be no SFI, etc. 

 

Marcus

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Subject: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12;00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends
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This letter: Press conference outside Santa Fe City Hall at noon on Wednesday Jan. 15 (map) -- please come, and please recruit others

Dear New Mexico friends –

As we have explained in previous letters, Wednesday is the day on which the City will announce the finalists for "Master Developer" of the former College of Santa Fe site (and possibly surrounding properties as well, a 64- to ~100-acre project). The National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) has applied for this role. NNSA and/or Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) are present in some (not all) other proposals, as tenant(s).

The situation is opaque, fluid, and developing. So far, Mayor Webber has disdainfully rebuffed our requests to meet or discuss the momentous social, cultural, and economic development impacts of placing a nuclear weapons campus in Santa Fe. (Don't be deceived -- that is exactly what LANL is and what this would be.)

People power may be the only force stronger than LANL's money and corruption. We really need you to help us expand our numbers.

If you live anywhere nearby please come to this joint press conference, and please ask as many friends to come as possible. Sheer attendance matters. A strong showing Wednesday will save countless hours of work later, and will give wings to efforts to push back on LANL's entirely unjustified expansion. There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. Some of them need to see some spine from us out here to take to their bosses.

New Mexico is being selected to be a nuclear weapons support and sacrifice area. That now includes the Santa Fe metro area.

We may not know know the outcome of this first Midtown Campus decision by noon Wednesday but regardless of that we must seize the day.

While it seems absurd that NNSA could be a possible "master developer," we can't be sure that Mayor Webber and the people around him wouldn't want that -- or want, say, a training facility for plutonium workers. We just don't know.

This event will also give us a chance for us to network with each other and with representatives of any other groups present, as well as speak to any City officials willing to do so.

Getting people to come on Wednesday is the sole action item we are recommending right now. It is very, very important! 

Thank you!

Greg, Trish, Lydia, Ernie, Michelle, and the rest of the Study Group

--

Greg Mello
Los Alamos Study Group
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Albuquerque, NM 87106
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[Merle Lefkoff-2]

Yep.   

Next week I'll be in Boulder at NREL.  They are engineers--not scientists--but they have somehow kept going with some terrific work--under the DOE radar.

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:40 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

In one e-mail you say that advocates for worthy non-profits have an obligation to redistribute money from those having ill-gotten gains, but in this case it “flawed human beings” “belong up on the hill”.    It seems there is an ethical line in your mind after all.    This is not to say that *I* think LANL has ill-gotten gains, but if *you* did, it seems to be exactly what you were suggesting:   As a LANL scientist (~ leader of a non-profit), one *should* seek a portion of the multi-billion dollar budget (~ Epstein riches) and do some science (~ good not bad thing) with it.

 

It is voters in the US that have given LANL the primary role that it has had.   If voters don’t like that role, they should change their government.   I think voters do like and want that role, because they being a dominant country in the world.   A menacing military helps make it so.   Recently, many voters have been pretty overt about their predatory inclinations, with Trump’s walls and all that.

 

LANL is a premier Department of Energy lab that without any huge structural changes could further advance climate prediction and mitigation, renewable energy, planetary defense, environmental cleanup, or pretty much anything.    There will be hundreds if not thousands of staff up there that would love to diversify their priorities if given the opportunity.

 

Marcus

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]>
Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Date: Monday, January 13, 2020 at 8:37 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

 

Marcus, I spent four years at CNLS as Guest Scientist and Affiliate.  I still wouldn't be O.K. if it were housed in Santa Fe.  Nuclear weapons work--and Lanl is a nuclear weapons laboratory-- whether research or training or administration doesn't belong anywhere on the planet.  But if it is going to be pursued by flawed human beings, it belongs up on the hill.  As many of us know, and you rightly point out, our local economy is in a far-from-equilibrium state.  Bringing more humane education of some kind to Santa Fe would provide a tiny bit more balance.

 

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 9:06 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

It would make sense to put an organization like the Center for Nonlinear Studies in Santa Fe.   Academics could fly in to the municipal airport, give a talk and leave without it being hours more of effort slogging up and down the hill.   Badging could be further streamlined, or maybe just eliminated.   Maybe they could even have public talks as there’d be no need for security hovering at all times.   A lot of foreign nationals don’t stay to be staff members, as is it advantageous to get a clearance (and a foreign national cannot).   If they diffused into the Santa Fe population, maybe they’d stay and create start-ups.   There is little reason to live in Los Alamos, as there just is nothing up there, economically speaking, except the company.  (Ok, they have good schools, but that’s it.)   Smart public relations for LANL if they can pull it off.

 

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]>
Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Date: Monday, January 13, 2020 at 7:41 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

 

In Pittsburgh I worked with a man who had formerly worked at LANL in plasma physics.  When I told him about my relationship to NM he said the it is a state on welfare.  He was referring to the percentage of that State's economy based on Federal $$.  Highest in the US?  I am aware of many projects at LANL that are not about weapons but others know more about that than I.

-----------------------------------
Frank Wimberly

Phone [phone]

 

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020, 8:33 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

< There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. >

 

I am confident the use of such a property would be for science, administration, and outreach & training functions, not secure national work.   It would probably make a lot of LANL employees happy, as many of them live in Santa Fe.    Anyway, get real, if it wasn't for all the federal money, cities in New Mexico would collapse, there would be no SFI, etc. 

 

Marcus

---

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 2:41 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

 

 

 

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Date: Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 2:23 PM
Subject: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12;00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends
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This letter: Press conference outside Santa Fe City Hall at noon on Wednesday Jan. 15 (map) -- please come, and please recruit others

Dear New Mexico friends –

As we have explained in previous letters, Wednesday is the day on which the City will announce the finalists for "Master Developer" of the former College of Santa Fe site (and possibly surrounding properties as well, a 64- to ~100-acre project). The National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) has applied for this role. NNSA and/or Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) are present in some (not all) other proposals, as tenant(s).

The situation is opaque, fluid, and developing. So far, Mayor Webber has disdainfully rebuffed our requests to meet or discuss the momentous social, cultural, and economic development impacts of placing a nuclear weapons campus in Santa Fe. (Don't be deceived -- that is exactly what LANL is and what this would be.)

People power may be the only force stronger than LANL's money and corruption. We really need you to help us expand our numbers.

If you live anywhere nearby please come to this joint press conference, and please ask as many friends to come as possible. Sheer attendance matters. A strong showing Wednesday will save countless hours of work later, and will give wings to efforts to push back on LANL's entirely unjustified expansion. There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. Some of them need to see some spine from us out here to take to their bosses.

New Mexico is being selected to be a nuclear weapons support and sacrifice area. That now includes the Santa Fe metro area.

We may not know know the outcome of this first Midtown Campus decision by noon Wednesday but regardless of that we must seize the day.

While it seems absurd that NNSA could be a possible "master developer," we can't be sure that Mayor Webber and the people around him wouldn't want that -- or want, say, a training facility for plutonium workers. We just don't know.

This event will also give us a chance for us to network with each other and with representatives of any other groups present, as well as speak to any City officials willing to do so.

Getting people to come on Wednesday is the sole action item we are recommending right now. It is very, very important! 

Thank you!

Greg, Trish, Lydia, Ernie, Michelle, and the rest of the Study Group

--

Greg Mello
Los Alamos Study Group
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Albuquerque, NM 87106
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[George Duncan-2]

Based on my experience at LANL, Marcus’s assessments are correct. Indeed much of LANL activity involves basic science that most of us would find quite laudable. And many in its   technical staff are our neighbors. 

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 8:33 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

< There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. >

I am confident the use of such a property would be for science, administration, and outreach & training functions, not secure national work.   It would probably make a lot of LANL employees happy, as many of them live in Santa Fe.    Anyway, get real, if it wasn't for all the federal money, cities in New Mexico would collapse, there would be no SFI, etc. 

Marcus

---

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 2:41 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

 

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Date: Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 2:23 PM
Subject: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12;00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends
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Dear New Mexico friends –

As we have explained in previous letters, Wednesday is the day on which the City will announce the finalists for "Master Developer" of the former College of Santa Fe site (and possibly surrounding properties as well, a 64- to ~100-acre project). The National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) has applied for this role. NNSA and/or Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) are present in some (not all) other proposals, as tenant(s).

The situation is opaque, fluid, and developing. So far, Mayor Webber has disdainfully rebuffed our requests to meet or discuss the momentous social, cultural, and economic development impacts of placing a nuclear weapons campus in Santa Fe. (Don't be deceived -- that is exactly what LANL is and what this would be.)

People power may be the only force stronger than LANL's money and corruption. We really need you to help us expand our numbers.

If you live anywhere nearby please come to this joint press conference, and please ask as many friends to come as possible. Sheer attendance matters. A strong showing Wednesday will save countless hours of work later, and will give wings to efforts to push back on LANL's entirely unjustified expansion. There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. Some of them need to see some spine from us out here to take to their bosses.

New Mexico is being selected to be a nuclear weapons support and sacrifice area. That now includes the Santa Fe metro area.

We may not know know the outcome of this first Midtown Campus decision by noon Wednesday but regardless of that we must seize the day.

While it seems absurd that NNSA could be a possible "master developer," we can't be sure that Mayor Webber and the people around him wouldn't want that -- or want, say, a training facility for plutonium workers. We just don't know.

This event will also give us a chance for us to network with each other and with representatives of any other groups present, as well as speak to any City officials willing to do so.

Getting people to come on Wednesday is the sole action item we are recommending right now. It is very, very important! 

Thank you!

Greg, Trish, Lydia, Ernie, Michelle, and the rest of the Study Group

--

Greg Mello
Los Alamos Study Group
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[Marcus G. Daniels]

Merle writes:

 

“I spent four years at CNLS as Guest Scientist and Affiliate.”

 

I worked at LANL for more than a decade.   I think it is a unique organization that has a lot of great people.   If you want to find a prototype for your flawed person template, I’m a perfect fit.  Maybe even better than you suggest.

 

It didn’t bother me at all to help sharpen sticks when I believed in the cause of the national experiment.   I liked it, maybe I was even well-suited for it.   But, in 2016 I realized that an alarming demographic in this country simply do not deserve the protection afforded by sticks so sharp.   No significant loss to LANL, but I was comforted to see more than few colleagues that felt the same way.     I wish I could say I just quit, but it took a period of disillusionment mixed with other frustrations and opportunities.

 

Anyway, today I am glad to see Cory Booker drop out.   All this we-are-one is so much BS. 

 

Marcus

 

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I often worry that I'm morally compromised. Nuclear weapons are, I think, analogous to human germline engineering. On the one hand, it *seems* rightly taboo. But on the other hand, we all *know* someone, somewhere, sometime, will be less inclined to consider the consequences of their actions ... or, as in the case of He Jiankui <https://www.technologyreview.com/s/614762/crispr-baby-twins-lulu-and-nana-what-happened/>, the consequences might be considered, but not thoroughly enough.

I have the same morally suspect reaction to de-platforming. On the one hand, anyone who would *want* to attend, say, a talk by Steve Bannon, seems like an idiot or a jerk to me. But should his views be taboo? Ultimately, I end up subscribing to context. Other good examples are psyops, cracking (white hat vs black hat), primate laboratories, antifa and the use of violence for political ends, etc. Black and white artificial discretization isn't very helpful. It's the particulars of any given question, in context, that matters.

Nuclear weapons work *does* belong on the planet, if for no other reason than to stay ahead of the implicit threat of its misuse.

On 1/13/20 8:36 PM, Merle Lefkoff wrote:
> Nuclear weapons work--and Lanl is a nuclear weapons laboratory-- whether research or training or administration doesn't belong anywhere on the planet.
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[David Eric Smith]

I remember getting the inside story on the state of Global Circulation Modeling from Chick Hearn of IGPP (Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics at LANL) back in the day when I couldn’t have got that kind of field-leading judgment/perspective from anyone else I had access to.  

In the geosciences division where I worked, the group was founded to do long-range monitoring for nuclear tests, and to do the (in early days) difficult work of distinguishing explosions from earthquakes, using signals that may have traveled halfway around/through the world through who-knows how complicated a collection of acoustic media.  As monitoring became more ubiquitous and sensors more informative, and as there were fewer tests for some decades, they switched to oil and gas exploration and corporate service.  After that it was non-destructive monitoring of concrete aging for structure stability.  Then tissue analysis using sonograms.  The portfolio of closely related problems at the intersection of materials science and seismology was remarkable to me.

> On Jan 14, 2020, at 3:01 PM, George Duncan <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Based on my experience at LANL, Marcus’s assessments are correct. Indeed much of LANL activity involves basic science that most of us would find quite laudable. And many in its   technical staff are our neighbors.
>
> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 8:33 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:
> < There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. >
>
> I am confident the use of such a property would be for science, administration, and outreach & training functions, not secure national work.   It would probably make a lot of LANL employees happy, as many of them live in Santa Fe.    Anyway, get real, if it wasn't for all the federal money, cities in New Mexico would collapse, there would be no SFI, etc.
>
> Marcus
> From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 2:41 PM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
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> Subject: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12;00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends
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> As we have explained in previous letters, Wednesday is the day on which the City will announce the finalists for "Master Developer" of the former College of Santa Fe site (and possibly surrounding properties as well, a 64- to ~100-acre project). The National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) has applied for this role. NNSA and/or Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) are present in some (not all) other proposals, as tenant(s).
> The situation is opaque, fluid, and developing. So far, Mayor Webber has disdainfully rebuffed our requests to meet or discuss the momentous social, cultural, and economic development impacts of placing a nuclear weapons campus in Santa Fe. (Don't be deceived -- that is exactly what LANL is and what this would be.)
>
> People power may be the only force stronger than LANL's money and corruption. We really need you to help us expand our numbers.
>
> If you live anywhere nearby please come to this joint press conference, and please ask as many friends to come as possible. Sheer attendance matters. A strong showing Wednesday will save countless hours of work later, and will give wings to efforts to push back on LANL's entirely unjustified expansion. There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. Some of them need to see some spine from us out here to take to their bosses.
>
> New Mexico is being selected to be a nuclear weapons support and sacrifice area. That now includes the Santa Fe metro area.
>
> We may not know know the outcome of this first Midtown Campus decision by noon Wednesday but regardless of that we must seize the day.
>
> While it seems absurd that NNSA could be a possible "master developer," we can't be sure that Mayor Webber and the people around him wouldn't want that -- or want, say, a training facility for plutonium workers. We just don't know.
>
> This event will also give us a chance for us to network with each other and with representatives of any other groups present, as well as speak to any City officials willing to do so.
>
> Getting people to come on Wednesday is the sole action item we are recommending right now. It is very, very important!  
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>
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[Merle Lefkoff-2]

Sorry, George.  There's a bigger picture here.  I went to CNLS because I could work with complex systems scientists who were not doing weapons work, and I had access to post-docs from all over the world (not true any more).  But Lanl is what it is, and it's stupidly but not unexpectedly, building parts for new nuclear weapons.  

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 11:01 PM George Duncan <[hidden email]> wrote:

Based on my experience at LANL, Marcus’s assessments are correct. Indeed much of LANL activity involves basic science that most of us would find quite laudable. And many in its   technical staff are our neighbors. 

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 8:33 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

< There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. >

I am confident the use of such a property would be for science, administration, and outreach & training functions, not secure national work.   It would probably make a lot of LANL employees happy, as many of them live in Santa Fe.    Anyway, get real, if it wasn't for all the federal money, cities in New Mexico would collapse, there would be no SFI, etc. 

Marcus

---

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 2:41 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

 

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Leslie Lakind <[hidden email]>
Date: Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 2:23 PM
Subject: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12;00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends
To:

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This letter: Press conference outside Santa Fe City Hall at noon on Wednesday Jan. 15 (map) -- please come, and please recruit others

Dear New Mexico friends –

As we have explained in previous letters, Wednesday is the day on which the City will announce the finalists for "Master Developer" of the former College of Santa Fe site (and possibly surrounding properties as well, a 64- to ~100-acre project). The National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) has applied for this role. NNSA and/or Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) are present in some (not all) other proposals, as tenant(s).

The situation is opaque, fluid, and developing. So far, Mayor Webber has disdainfully rebuffed our requests to meet or discuss the momentous social, cultural, and economic development impacts of placing a nuclear weapons campus in Santa Fe. (Don't be deceived -- that is exactly what LANL is and what this would be.)

People power may be the only force stronger than LANL's money and corruption. We really need you to help us expand our numbers.

If you live anywhere nearby please come to this joint press conference, and please ask as many friends to come as possible. Sheer attendance matters. A strong showing Wednesday will save countless hours of work later, and will give wings to efforts to push back on LANL's entirely unjustified expansion. There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. Some of them need to see some spine from us out here to take to their bosses.

New Mexico is being selected to be a nuclear weapons support and sacrifice area. That now includes the Santa Fe metro area.

We may not know know the outcome of this first Midtown Campus decision by noon Wednesday but regardless of that we must seize the day.

While it seems absurd that NNSA could be a possible "master developer," we can't be sure that Mayor Webber and the people around him wouldn't want that -- or want, say, a training facility for plutonium workers. We just don't know.

This event will also give us a chance for us to network with each other and with representatives of any other groups present, as well as speak to any City officials willing to do so.

Getting people to come on Wednesday is the sole action item we are recommending right now. It is very, very important! 

Thank you!

Greg, Trish, Lydia, Ernie, Michelle, and the rest of the Study Group

--

Greg Mello
Los Alamos Study Group
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Albuquerque, NM 87106
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Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D.
President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy
emergentdiplomacy.org

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North Korea, Pakistan, potentially Iran, Israel, Russia ...  Do you trust them to be as moral as you are?

I had a dream last night about being surrounded by Russians.  When I awoke I learned that they were hacking into Burisma.

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020, 7:43 AM Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

Sorry, George.  There's a bigger picture here.  I went to CNLS because I could work with complex systems scientists who were not doing weapons work, and I had access to post-docs from all over the world (not true any more).  But Lanl is what it is, and it's stupidly but not unexpectedly, building parts for new nuclear weapons.  

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 11:01 PM George Duncan <[hidden email]> wrote:

Based on my experience at LANL, Marcus’s assessments are correct. Indeed much of LANL activity involves basic science that most of us would find quite laudable. And many in its   technical staff are our neighbors. 

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 8:33 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

< There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. >

I am confident the use of such a property would be for science, administration, and outreach & training functions, not secure national work.   It would probably make a lot of LANL employees happy, as many of them live in Santa Fe.    Anyway, get real, if it wasn't for all the federal money, cities in New Mexico would collapse, there would be no SFI, etc. 

Marcus

---

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 2:41 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

 

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Leslie Lakind <[hidden email]>
Date: Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 2:23 PM
Subject: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12;00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends
To:

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Greg Mello <[hidden email]>

Permalink for this letter. Please forward! Other Letters
Home page; Press Releases; Bulletins;
To subscribe to our Friends listserve (formerly by invitation only) [hidden email] To unsubscribe [hidden email] 
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Contribute. Volunteer. Contact us (Greg and Trish in our main office, [hidden email])

This letter: Press conference outside Santa Fe City Hall at noon on Wednesday Jan. 15 (map) -- please come, and please recruit others

Dear New Mexico friends –

As we have explained in previous letters, Wednesday is the day on which the City will announce the finalists for "Master Developer" of the former College of Santa Fe site (and possibly surrounding properties as well, a 64- to ~100-acre project). The National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) has applied for this role. NNSA and/or Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) are present in some (not all) other proposals, as tenant(s).

The situation is opaque, fluid, and developing. So far, Mayor Webber has disdainfully rebuffed our requests to meet or discuss the momentous social, cultural, and economic development impacts of placing a nuclear weapons campus in Santa Fe. (Don't be deceived -- that is exactly what LANL is and what this would be.)

People power may be the only force stronger than LANL's money and corruption. We really need you to help us expand our numbers.

If you live anywhere nearby please come to this joint press conference, and please ask as many friends to come as possible. Sheer attendance matters. A strong showing Wednesday will save countless hours of work later, and will give wings to efforts to push back on LANL's entirely unjustified expansion. There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. Some of them need to see some spine from us out here to take to their bosses.

New Mexico is being selected to be a nuclear weapons support and sacrifice area. That now includes the Santa Fe metro area.

We may not know know the outcome of this first Midtown Campus decision by noon Wednesday but regardless of that we must seize the day.

While it seems absurd that NNSA could be a possible "master developer," we can't be sure that Mayor Webber and the people around him wouldn't want that -- or want, say, a training facility for plutonium workers. We just don't know.

This event will also give us a chance for us to network with each other and with representatives of any other groups present, as well as speak to any City officials willing to do so.

Getting people to come on Wednesday is the sole action item we are recommending right now. It is very, very important! 

Thank you!

Greg, Trish, Lydia, Ernie, Michelle, and the rest of the Study Group

--

Greg Mello
Los Alamos Study Group
2901 Summit Place NE
Albuquerque, NM 87106
505-265-1200 office
505-577-8563 cell

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Werner Herzog

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Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D.
President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy
emergentdiplomacy.org

Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA

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georgeduncanart.com

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Land: [phone]  

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My art theme: Dynamic exposition of the tension between matrix order and luminous chaos.

"Attempt what is not certain. Certainty may or may not come later. It may then be a valuable delusion."

From "Notes to myself on beginning a painting" by Richard Diebenkorn. 

"It's that knife-edge of uncertainty where we come alive to our truest power." Joanna Macy.

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[Merle Lefkoff-2]

I don't trust any government, especially ours at the present moment, to have any moral compass.

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 8:03 AM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:

North Korea, Pakistan, potentially Iran, Israel, Russia ...  Do you trust them to be as moral as you are?

I had a dream last night about being surrounded by Russians.  When I awoke I learned that they were hacking into Burisma.

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https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly

My scientific publications:
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On Tue, Jan 14, 2020, 7:43 AM Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

Sorry, George.  There's a bigger picture here.  I went to CNLS because I could work with complex systems scientists who were not doing weapons work, and I had access to post-docs from all over the world (not true any more).  But Lanl is what it is, and it's stupidly but not unexpectedly, building parts for new nuclear weapons.  

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 11:01 PM George Duncan <[hidden email]> wrote:

Based on my experience at LANL, Marcus’s assessments are correct. Indeed much of LANL activity involves basic science that most of us would find quite laudable. And many in its   technical staff are our neighbors. 

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 8:33 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

< There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. >

I am confident the use of such a property would be for science, administration, and outreach & training functions, not secure national work.   It would probably make a lot of LANL employees happy, as many of them live in Santa Fe.    Anyway, get real, if it wasn't for all the federal money, cities in New Mexico would collapse, there would be no SFI, etc. 

Marcus

---

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 2:41 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

 

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Dear New Mexico friends –

As we have explained in previous letters, Wednesday is the day on which the City will announce the finalists for "Master Developer" of the former College of Santa Fe site (and possibly surrounding properties as well, a 64- to ~100-acre project). The National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) has applied for this role. NNSA and/or Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) are present in some (not all) other proposals, as tenant(s).

The situation is opaque, fluid, and developing. So far, Mayor Webber has disdainfully rebuffed our requests to meet or discuss the momentous social, cultural, and economic development impacts of placing a nuclear weapons campus in Santa Fe. (Don't be deceived -- that is exactly what LANL is and what this would be.)

People power may be the only force stronger than LANL's money and corruption. We really need you to help us expand our numbers.

If you live anywhere nearby please come to this joint press conference, and please ask as many friends to come as possible. Sheer attendance matters. A strong showing Wednesday will save countless hours of work later, and will give wings to efforts to push back on LANL's entirely unjustified expansion. There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. Some of them need to see some spine from us out here to take to their bosses.

New Mexico is being selected to be a nuclear weapons support and sacrifice area. That now includes the Santa Fe metro area.

We may not know know the outcome of this first Midtown Campus decision by noon Wednesday but regardless of that we must seize the day.

While it seems absurd that NNSA could be a possible "master developer," we can't be sure that Mayor Webber and the people around him wouldn't want that -- or want, say, a training facility for plutonium workers. We just don't know.

This event will also give us a chance for us to network with each other and with representatives of any other groups present, as well as speak to any City officials willing to do so.

Getting people to come on Wednesday is the sole action item we are recommending right now. It is very, very important! 

Thank you!

Greg, Trish, Lydia, Ernie, Michelle, and the rest of the Study Group

--

Greg Mello
Los Alamos Study Group
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Albuquerque, NM 87106
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[Marcus G. Daniels]

How about Donald Trump?   Lets face it, we are pretty much rolling the dice here.

Marcus

On Jan 14, 2020, at 7:03 AM, Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:



North Korea, Pakistan, potentially Iran, Israel, Russia ...  Do you trust them to be as moral as you are?

I had a dream last night about being surrounded by Russians.  When I awoke I learned that they were hacking into Burisma.

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020, 7:43 AM Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

Sorry, George.  There's a bigger picture here.  I went to CNLS because I could work with complex systems scientists who were not doing weapons work, and I had access to post-docs from all over the world (not true any more).  But Lanl is what it is, and it's stupidly but not unexpectedly, building parts for new nuclear weapons.  

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 11:01 PM George Duncan <[hidden email]> wrote:

Based on my experience at LANL, Marcus’s assessments are correct. Indeed much of LANL activity involves basic science that most of us would find quite laudable. And many in its   technical staff are our neighbors. 

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 8:33 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

< There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. >

I am confident the use of such a property would be for science, administration, and outreach & training functions, not secure national work.   It would probably make a lot of LANL employees happy, as many of them live in Santa Fe.    Anyway, get real, if it wasn't for all the federal money, cities in New Mexico would collapse, there would be no SFI, etc. 

Marcus

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Date: Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 2:23 PM
Subject: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12;00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends
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This letter: Press conference outside Santa Fe City Hall at noon on Wednesday Jan. 15 (map) -- please come, and please recruit others

Dear New Mexico friends –

As we have explained in previous letters, Wednesday is the day on which the City will announce the finalists for "Master Developer" of the former College of Santa Fe site (and possibly surrounding properties as well, a 64- to ~100-acre project). The National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) has applied for this role. NNSA and/or Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) are present in some (not all) other proposals, as tenant(s).

The situation is opaque, fluid, and developing. So far, Mayor Webber has disdainfully rebuffed our requests to meet or discuss the momentous social, cultural, and economic development impacts of placing a nuclear weapons campus in Santa Fe. (Don't be deceived -- that is exactly what LANL is and what this would be.)

People power may be the only force stronger than LANL's money and corruption. We really need you to help us expand our numbers.

If you live anywhere nearby please come to this joint press conference, and please ask as many friends to come as possible. Sheer attendance matters. A strong showing Wednesday will save countless hours of work later, and will give wings to efforts to push back on LANL's entirely unjustified expansion. There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. Some of them need to see some spine from us out here to take to their bosses.

New Mexico is being selected to be a nuclear weapons support and sacrifice area. That now includes the Santa Fe metro area.

We may not know know the outcome of this first Midtown Campus decision by noon Wednesday but regardless of that we must seize the day.

While it seems absurd that NNSA could be a possible "master developer," we can't be sure that Mayor Webber and the people around him wouldn't want that -- or want, say, a training facility for plutonium workers. We just don't know.

This event will also give us a chance for us to network with each other and with representatives of any other groups present, as well as speak to any City officials willing to do so.

Getting people to come on Wednesday is the sole action item we are recommending right now. It is very, very important! 

Thank you!

Greg, Trish, Lydia, Ernie, Michelle, and the rest of the Study Group

--

Greg Mello
Los Alamos Study Group
<a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/2901&#43;Summit&#43;Place&#43;NE&#43;%0D%0A&#43;Albuquerque,&#43;NM&#43;87106?entry=gmail&amp;source=g" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2901 Summit Place NE
<a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/2901&#43;Summit&#43;Place&#43;NE&#43;%0D%0A&#43;Albuquerque,&#43;NM&#43;87106?entry=gmail&amp;source=g" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Albuquerque, NM 87106
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Werner Herzog

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President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy
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My art theme: Dynamic exposition of the tension between matrix order and luminous chaos.

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[Frank Wimberly-2]

Agreed but I think Netanyahu is l

more likely to nuke Iran than Trump is likely to get away with attacking anyone.

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020, 8:08 AM Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

I don't trust any government, especially ours at the present moment, to have any moral compass.

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 8:03 AM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:

North Korea, Pakistan, potentially Iran, Israel, Russia ...  Do you trust them to be as moral as you are?

I had a dream last night about being surrounded by Russians.  When I awoke I learned that they were hacking into Burisma.

-----------------------------------
Frank Wimberly

My memoir:
https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly

My scientific publications:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2

Phone [phone]

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020, 7:43 AM Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

Sorry, George.  There's a bigger picture here.  I went to CNLS because I could work with complex systems scientists who were not doing weapons work, and I had access to post-docs from all over the world (not true any more).  But Lanl is what it is, and it's stupidly but not unexpectedly, building parts for new nuclear weapons.  

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 11:01 PM George Duncan <[hidden email]> wrote:

Based on my experience at LANL, Marcus’s assessments are correct. Indeed much of LANL activity involves basic science that most of us would find quite laudable. And many in its   technical staff are our neighbors. 

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 8:33 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

< There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. >

I am confident the use of such a property would be for science, administration, and outreach & training functions, not secure national work.   It would probably make a lot of LANL employees happy, as many of them live in Santa Fe.    Anyway, get real, if it wasn't for all the federal money, cities in New Mexico would collapse, there would be no SFI, etc. 

Marcus

---

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 2:41 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

 

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Leslie Lakind <[hidden email]>
Date: Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 2:23 PM
Subject: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12;00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends
To:

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From: Greg Mello <[hidden email]>

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This letter: Press conference outside Santa Fe City Hall at noon on Wednesday Jan. 15 (map) -- please come, and please recruit others

Dear New Mexico friends –

As we have explained in previous letters, Wednesday is the day on which the City will announce the finalists for "Master Developer" of the former College of Santa Fe site (and possibly surrounding properties as well, a 64- to ~100-acre project). The National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) has applied for this role. NNSA and/or Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) are present in some (not all) other proposals, as tenant(s).

The situation is opaque, fluid, and developing. So far, Mayor Webber has disdainfully rebuffed our requests to meet or discuss the momentous social, cultural, and economic development impacts of placing a nuclear weapons campus in Santa Fe. (Don't be deceived -- that is exactly what LANL is and what this would be.)

People power may be the only force stronger than LANL's money and corruption. We really need you to help us expand our numbers.

If you live anywhere nearby please come to this joint press conference, and please ask as many friends to come as possible. Sheer attendance matters. A strong showing Wednesday will save countless hours of work later, and will give wings to efforts to push back on LANL's entirely unjustified expansion. There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. Some of them need to see some spine from us out here to take to their bosses.

New Mexico is being selected to be a nuclear weapons support and sacrifice area. That now includes the Santa Fe metro area.

We may not know know the outcome of this first Midtown Campus decision by noon Wednesday but regardless of that we must seize the day.

While it seems absurd that NNSA could be a possible "master developer," we can't be sure that Mayor Webber and the people around him wouldn't want that -- or want, say, a training facility for plutonium workers. We just don't know.

This event will also give us a chance for us to network with each other and with representatives of any other groups present, as well as speak to any City officials willing to do so.

Getting people to come on Wednesday is the sole action item we are recommending right now. It is very, very important! 

Thank you!

Greg, Trish, Lydia, Ernie, Michelle, and the rest of the Study Group

--

Greg Mello
Los Alamos Study Group
2901 Summit Place NE
Albuquerque, NM 87106
505-265-1200 office
505-577-8563 cell

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Werner Herzog

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Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D.
President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy
emergentdiplomacy.org

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georgeduncanart.com

See posts on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram

Land: [phone]  

Mobile: [phone]

 
My art theme: Dynamic exposition of the tension between matrix order and luminous chaos.

"Attempt what is not certain. Certainty may or may not come later. It may then be a valuable delusion."

From "Notes to myself on beginning a painting" by Richard Diebenkorn. 

"It's that knife-edge of uncertainty where we come alive to our truest power." Joanna Macy.

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President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy
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[Marcus G. Daniels]

The only sure way to stop a bully is by force.  There are a lot of ways to do that.   The weapons labs focus on one.  Mostly, the private sector ends-up developing others.  It is a conspicuous difference.   It is not so far- fetched to me to imagine a future where defense is further privatized, like firefighting is starting to be in California.  It sounds terrible but the current situation is pretty bad too.

Marcus

On Jan 14, 2020, at 7:18 AM, Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:



Agreed but I think Netanyahu is l

more likely to nuke Iran than Trump is likely to get away with attacking anyone.

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020, 8:08 AM Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

I don't trust any government, especially ours at the present moment, to have any moral compass.

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 8:03 AM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:

North Korea, Pakistan, potentially Iran, Israel, Russia ...  Do you trust them to be as moral as you are?

I had a dream last night about being surrounded by Russians.  When I awoke I learned that they were hacking into Burisma.

-----------------------------------
Frank Wimberly

My memoir:
https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly

My scientific publications:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2

Phone [phone]

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020, 7:43 AM Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

Sorry, George.  There's a bigger picture here.  I went to CNLS because I could work with complex systems scientists who were not doing weapons work, and I had access to post-docs from all over the world (not true any more).  But Lanl is what it is, and it's stupidly but not unexpectedly, building parts for new nuclear weapons.  

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 11:01 PM George Duncan <[hidden email]> wrote:

Based on my experience at LANL, Marcus’s assessments are correct. Indeed much of LANL activity involves basic science that most of us would find quite laudable. And many in its   technical staff are our neighbors. 

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 8:33 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

< There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. >

I am confident the use of such a property would be for science, administration, and outreach & training functions, not secure national work.   It would probably make a lot of LANL employees happy, as many of them live in Santa Fe.    Anyway, get real, if it wasn't for all the federal money, cities in New Mexico would collapse, there would be no SFI, etc. 

Marcus

---

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 2:41 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

 

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Date: Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 2:23 PM
Subject: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12;00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends
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This letter: Press conference outside Santa Fe City Hall at noon on Wednesday Jan. 15 (map) -- please come, and please recruit others

Dear New Mexico friends –

As we have explained in previous letters, Wednesday is the day on which the City will announce the finalists for "Master Developer" of the former College of Santa Fe site (and possibly surrounding properties as well, a 64- to ~100-acre project). The National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) has applied for this role. NNSA and/or Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) are present in some (not all) other proposals, as tenant(s).

The situation is opaque, fluid, and developing. So far, Mayor Webber has disdainfully rebuffed our requests to meet or discuss the momentous social, cultural, and economic development impacts of placing a nuclear weapons campus in Santa Fe. (Don't be deceived -- that is exactly what LANL is and what this would be.)

People power may be the only force stronger than LANL's money and corruption. We really need you to help us expand our numbers.

If you live anywhere nearby please come to this joint press conference, and please ask as many friends to come as possible. Sheer attendance matters. A strong showing Wednesday will save countless hours of work later, and will give wings to efforts to push back on LANL's entirely unjustified expansion. There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. Some of them need to see some spine from us out here to take to their bosses.

New Mexico is being selected to be a nuclear weapons support and sacrifice area. That now includes the Santa Fe metro area.

We may not know know the outcome of this first Midtown Campus decision by noon Wednesday but regardless of that we must seize the day.

While it seems absurd that NNSA could be a possible "master developer," we can't be sure that Mayor Webber and the people around him wouldn't want that -- or want, say, a training facility for plutonium workers. We just don't know.

This event will also give us a chance for us to network with each other and with representatives of any other groups present, as well as speak to any City officials willing to do so.

Getting people to come on Wednesday is the sole action item we are recommending right now. It is very, very important! 

Thank you!

Greg, Trish, Lydia, Ernie, Michelle, and the rest of the Study Group

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[Prof David West]

Defense is already privatized. Contract military forces are just about equal in number to those in uniform. Contractors are supposedly in support rather than combat roles but the distinction is actual only within the US borders. Offshore, the distinction is a non-distinction.

IMO - if Netanyahu nuked Iran, Pakistan and, maybe, north Korea, China and Russia, was overnight express the means to eliminate Israel as a habitat.

Far more likely, especially for Trump, would be a coordinated, preemptive strike against Quds and the Revolutionary Guard; on the, probably, mistaken assumption that absent the Praetorian, the government would fall and the regular military in Iran would stand down when confronted with a "popular uprising."

davew

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020, at 4:47 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

The only sure way to stop a bully is by force.  There are a lot of ways to do that.   The weapons labs focus on one.  Mostly, the private sector ends-up developing others.  It is a conspicuous difference.   It is not so far- fetched to me to imagine a future where defense is further privatized, like firefighting is starting to be in California.  It sounds terrible but the current situation is pretty bad too.

Marcus

On Jan 14, 2020, at 7:18 AM, Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:



Agreed but I think Netanyahu is l

more likely to nuke Iran than Trump is likely to get away with attacking anyone.

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On Tue, Jan 14, 2020, 8:08 AM Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

I don't trust any government, especially ours at the present moment, to have any moral compass.

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 8:03 AM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:

North Korea, Pakistan, potentially Iran, Israel, Russia ...  Do you trust them to be as moral as you are?

I had a dream last night about being surrounded by Russians.  When I awoke I learned that they were hacking into Burisma.

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On Tue, Jan 14, 2020, 7:43 AM Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

Sorry, George.  There's a bigger picture here.  I went to CNLS because I could work with complex systems scientists who were not doing weapons work, and I had access to post-docs from all over the world (not true any more).  But Lanl is what it is, and it's stupidly but not unexpectedly, building parts for new nuclear weapons.  

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 11:01 PM George Duncan <[hidden email]> wrote:

Based on my experience at LANL, Marcus’s assessments are correct. Indeed much of LANL activity involves basic science that most of us would find quite laudable. And many in its   technical staff are our neighbors. 

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 8:33 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

< There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. >

I am confident the use of such a property would be for science, administration, and outreach & training functions, not secure national work.   It would probably make a lot of LANL employees happy, as many of them live in Santa Fe.    Anyway, get real, if it wasn't for all the federal money, cities in New Mexico would collapse, there would be no SFI, etc. 

Marcus

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This letter: Press conference outside Santa Fe City Hall at noon on Wednesday Jan. 15 (map) -- please come, and please recruit others

Dear New Mexico friends –

As we have explained in previous letters, Wednesday is the day on which the City will announce the finalists for "Master Developer" of the former College of Santa Fe site (and possibly surrounding properties as well, a 64- to ~100-acre project). The National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) has applied for this role. NNSA and/or Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) are present in some (not all) other proposals, as tenant(s).

The situation is opaque, fluid, and developing. So far, Mayor Webber has disdainfully rebuffed our requests to meet or discuss the momentous social, cultural, and economic development impacts of placing a nuclear weapons campus in Santa Fe. (Don't be deceived -- that is exactly what LANL is and what this would be.)

People power may be the only force stronger than LANL's money and corruption. We really need you to help us expand our numbers.

If you live anywhere nearby please come to this joint press conference, and please ask as many friends to come as possible. Sheer attendance matters. A strong showing Wednesday will save countless hours of work later, and will give wings to efforts to push back on LANL's entirely unjustified expansion. There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. Some of them need to see some spine from us out here to take to their bosses.

New Mexico is being selected to be a nuclear weapons support and sacrifice area. That now includes the Santa Fe metro area.

We may not know know the outcome of this first Midtown Campus decision by noon Wednesday but regardless of that we must seize the day.

While it seems absurd that NNSA could be a possible "master developer," we can't be sure that Mayor Webber and the people around him wouldn't want that -- or want, say, a training facility for plutonium workers. We just don't know.

This event will also give us a chance for us to network with each other and with representatives of any other groups present, as well as speak to any City officials willing to do so.

Getting people to come on Wednesday is the sole action item we are recommending right now. It is very, very important! 

Thank you!

Greg, Trish, Lydia, Ernie, Michelle, and the rest of the Study Group

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[Edward Angel]

Although I totally agree with Merle on the moral issues, I doubt we are going to change any minds on this list.

I would like to comment on some of the economic and scientific issues. Over the 40 years I’ve been here, I’ve worked with the labs in open areas (visualization, remediation, non-proliferation) and have many of my students working at the labs. I’ve also worked with the state, the city and labs on economic development. Here are some observations:

NM is a welfare state; it’s welfare for physicists and a few others. While one can argue that it’s OK because of the basic science and defense considerations (which to me are somewhat suspect), from an economic development perspective, the labs are not helping NM in the long run. We were a very poor state before the labs and 80 years later we are still a very poor state in spite of the billions of dollars that have gone into the labs. Why have NM failed when other states (CA, WA, NY, MA) have prospered on the basis of science and technology? A large part of the reasons have to do with a welfare mentality that sees economic development as a way of getting more money from the government. 

The overall quality of the science at the labs is also debatable. If you’re doing high energy physics, you need the massive government funding. But these lab groups are pretty much competing only with each other so rating the quality of the science and its cost vs benefits  is difficult if not impossible. Certainly there are scientific stars at the labs but they don’t represent the totality of the labs. In area in which I’ve worked, there have been large expensive projects at the labs, the quality has been mediocre and the labs are almost totally unrepresented in open conferences and journals. A related issue is that the cost of doing science at the labs is ridiculously high, another consequence of their welfare status. Under the present management, many of the scientists have to seek external funding but the cost of a lab scientist is usually two to three times higher than for a university researcher. Not a good argument for bringing a lab to SF.

In areas where the labs have had key projects such as remediation solar energy where visionary scientists at the labs have started research very early, major projects were started and abandoned due to political decisions made in Washington. Is it any wonder that the labs cannot attract the best graduates in key areas like Computer Science?

I’d also suggest that some of you look at the various proposals that have come before the city. Although some of the proposals bordered on the bizarre, all the reasonable ones—those that recognized the debt load and the state of the infrastructure on the property—recognized the only viable solution was one that focussed on multi-use. If LANS is one of the finalists, I am pretty sure it will be as part of a broader proposal.

Ed

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On Jan 13, 2020, at 9:36 PM, Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

Marcus, I spent four years at CNLS as Guest Scientist and Affiliate.  I still wouldn't be O.K. if it were housed in Santa Fe.  Nuclear weapons work--and Lanl is a nuclear weapons laboratory-- whether research or training or administration doesn't belong anywhere on the planet.  But if it is going to be pursued by flawed human beings, it belongs up on the hill.  As many of us know, and you rightly point out, our local economy is in a far-from-equilibrium state.  Bringing more humane education of some kind to Santa Fe would provide a tiny bit more balance.

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 9:06 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

It would make sense to put an organization like the Center for Nonlinear Studies in Santa Fe.   Academics could fly in to the municipal airport, give a talk and leave without it being hours more of effort slogging up and down the hill.   Badging could be further streamlined, or maybe just eliminated.   Maybe they could even have public talks as there’d be no need for security hovering at all times.   A lot of foreign nationals don’t stay to be staff members, as is it advantageous to get a clearance (and a foreign national cannot).   If they diffused into the Santa Fe population, maybe they’d stay and create start-ups.   There is little reason to live in Los Alamos, as there just is nothing up there, economically speaking, except the company.  (Ok, they have good schools, but that’s it.)   Smart public relations for LANL if they can pull it off.

 

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In Pittsburgh I worked with a man who had formerly worked at LANL in plasma physics.  When I told him about my relationship to NM he said the it is a state on welfare.  He was referring to the percentage of that State's economy based on Federal $$.  Highest in the US?  I am aware of many projects at LANL that are not about weapons but others know more about that than I.

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On Mon, Jan 13, 2020, 8:33 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

< There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. >

 

I am confident the use of such a property would be for science, administration, and outreach & training functions, not secure national work.   It would probably make a lot of LANL employees happy, as many of them live in Santa Fe.    Anyway, get real, if it wasn't for all the federal money, cities in New Mexico would collapse, there would be no SFI, etc. 

 

Marcus

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This letter: Press conference outside Santa Fe City Hall at noon on Wednesday Jan. 15 (map) -- please come, and please recruit others

Dear New Mexico friends –

As we have explained in previous letters, Wednesday is the day on which the City will announce the finalists for "Master Developer" of the former College of Santa Fe site (and possibly surrounding properties as well, a 64- to ~100-acre project). The National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) has applied for this role. NNSA and/or Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) are present in some (not all) other proposals, as tenant(s).

The situation is opaque, fluid, and developing. So far, Mayor Webber has disdainfully rebuffed our requests to meet or discuss the momentous social, cultural, and economic development impacts of placing a nuclear weapons campus in Santa Fe. (Don't be deceived -- that is exactly what LANL is and what this would be.)

People power may be the only force stronger than LANL's money and corruption. We really need you to help us expand our numbers.

If you live anywhere nearby please come to this joint press conference, and please ask as many friends to come as possible. Sheer attendance matters. A strong showing Wednesday will save countless hours of work later, and will give wings to efforts to push back on LANL's entirely unjustified expansion. There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. Some of them need to see some spine from us out here to take to their bosses.

New Mexico is being selected to be a nuclear weapons support and sacrifice area. That now includes the Santa Fe metro area.

We may not know know the outcome of this first Midtown Campus decision by noon Wednesday but regardless of that we must seize the day.

While it seems absurd that NNSA could be a possible "master developer," we can't be sure that Mayor Webber and the people around him wouldn't want that -- or want, say, a training facility for plutonium workers. We just don't know.

This event will also give us a chance for us to network with each other and with representatives of any other groups present, as well as speak to any City officials willing to do so.

Getting people to come on Wednesday is the sole action item we are recommending right now. It is very, very important! 

Thank you!

Greg, Trish, Lydia, Ernie, Michelle, and the rest of the Study Group

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