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Tom Johnson

Fwd: Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass

Oh, how I wish Americans weren't so stupid.

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From: Dorothy Bracey <[hidden email]>
Date: Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 3:15 PM
Subject: Fwd: Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass
To: Tom Johnson <[hidden email]>

depressing

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From: Sylvia Tiersten <dedlinesyl@...>

To:

Date: 12/07/2020 3:19 AM

Subject: Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass

Read the comments too. It’s all pretty chilling. One of them that really got to me is:

“I can’t begin to imagine what it’s like to be Canadian and have the US as a neighbor.”

Sylvia

Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/07/arriving-in-the-us-from-australia-during-covid-was-like-walking-through-the-looking-glass?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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George Duncan-2

Re: Fwd: Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass

They aren't all. Hey, Biden's appointees look good to me!

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On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 4:18 PM Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Oh, how I wish Americans weren't so stupid.
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From: Dorothy Bracey <[hidden email]>
Date: Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 3:15 PM
Subject: Fwd: Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass
To: Tom Johnson <[hidden email]>
depressing
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---------- Original Message ----------

From: Sylvia Tiersten <dedlinesyl@...>

To:

Date: 12/07/2020 3:19 AM

Subject: Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass

Read the comments too. It’s all pretty chilling. One of them that really got to me is:

“I can’t begin to imagine what it’s like to be Canadian and have the US as a neighbor.”

Sylvia

Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/07/arriving-in-the-us-from-australia-during-covid-was-like-walking-through-the-looking-glass?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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David Eric Smith

Re: Fwd: Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass

In reply to this post by Tom Johnson

One of the commentators spun quite a good turn of phrase. I think I want to write it here so I have a record and can go back and find it when I want it:

The pandemic is like a mirror held up to society showing the ugliness of the powerful, the beauty of those trying to fight it, the naivety of many believing dogma and rumour ahead of science but most clearly reflected, is the pain and hopelessness of the poor

EricS

On Dec 7, 2020, at 6:16 PM, Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:
Oh, how I wish Americans weren't so stupid.
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---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Dorothy Bracey <[hidden email]>
Date: Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 3:15 PM
Subject: Fwd: Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass
To: Tom Johnson <[hidden email]>
depressing
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---------- Original Message ----------

From: Sylvia Tiersten <dedlinesyl@...>

To:

Date: 12/07/2020 3:19 AM

Subject: Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass

Read the comments too. It’s all pretty chilling. One of them that really got to me is:

“I can’t begin to imagine what it’s like to be Canadian and have the US as a neighbor.”

Sylvia

Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/07/arriving-in-the-us-from-australia-during-covid-was-like-walking-through-the-looking-glass?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: Fwd: Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass

It’s enough to make one get up and leave! (Launch in 7 minutes?)

https://www.spacex.com/vehicles/starship/index.html

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of David Eric Smith
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:54 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass

One of the commentators spun quite a good turn of phrase. I think I want to write it here so I have a record and can go back and find it when I want it:

EricS

On Dec 7, 2020, at 6:16 PM, Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:
Oh, how I wish Americans weren't so stupid.
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---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Dorothy Bracey <[hidden email]>
Date: Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 3:15 PM
Subject: Fwd: Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass
To: Tom Johnson <[hidden email]>
depressing
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Dorothy H. Bracey -- Santa Fe, NM US 
dorothy@... 
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---------- Original Message ----------

From: Sylvia Tiersten <dedlinesyl@...>

To:

Date: 12/07/2020 3:19 AM

Subject: Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass

Read the comments too. It’s all pretty chilling. One of them that really got to me is:

“I can’t begin to imagine what it’s like to be Canadian and have the US as a neighbor.”

Sylvia

Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/07/arriving-in-the-us-from-australia-during-covid-was-like-walking-through-the-looking-glass?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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Steve Smith

Re: Fwd: Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass

Fellow (mostly) Liberalish, professionaI-class Elite(sh) FriAMfriends-

Ioffer this with a grain of capsaicin-salt to rub in the wound of our modern existential dilemma: meaning that what with Chris Hedges' familiar depressing snark, not everyone might be able to afford to read the following... Reader Beware:

the Collective Suicide of the Liberal Class

I find it rather sobering and something worth studying as the raging voice of the Whitelash Evangelical Right returns to an angry grumble... "we the woke/enlightened/etc" need to police our own bought-out corruption in the same way many of us stood back and marveled that nobody curbed the worst excesses of (for example) Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld and then more transparently Trump et-al.

I don't subscribe to the full snark of Hedges, but that doesn't mean he is wrong (just snarky?). I'd be just as happy to let those who eagerly invited Biden/Harris into the White House revel in the pushing back of the Authoritarian Right before I started trying to kick the feet out from under the (comparatively benign?) newcomers, but then I'm not Chris Hedges.

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It’s enough to make one get up and leave! (Launch in 7 minutes?)

https://www.spacex.com/vehicles/starship/index.html

From: Friam [hidden email] On Behalf Of David Eric Smith
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:54 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass

One of the commentators spun quite a good turn of phrase. I think I want to write it here so I have a record and can go back and find it when I want it:

The pandemic is like a mirror held up to society showing the ugliness of the powerful, the beauty of those trying to fight it, the naivety of many believing dogma and rumour ahead of science but most clearly reflected, is the pain and hopelessness of the poor
EricS
On Dec 7, 2020, at 6:16 PM, Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:
Oh, how I wish Americans weren't so stupid.
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---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Dorothy Bracey <[hidden email]>
Date: Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 3:15 PM
Subject: Fwd: Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass
To: Tom Johnson <[hidden email]>
depressing
==============================
Dorothy H. Bracey -- Santa Fe, NM US 
dorothy@... 
==============================
---------- Original Message ----------

From: Sylvia Tiersten <dedlinesyl@...>

To:

Date: 12/07/2020 3:19 AM

Subject: Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass

Read the comments too. It’s all pretty chilling. One of them that really got to me is:

“I can’t begin to imagine what it’s like to be Canadian and have the US as a neighbor.”

Sylvia

Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/07/arriving-in-the-us-from-australia-during-covid-was-like-walking-through-the-looking-glass?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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gepr

Re: Fwd: Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass

Unfortunately, it's not merely snark that makes the essay suspect. I was down with it as a nice political rant *until* he described the circumstances around Reinoehl. As far as I know, it's an investigative QUESTION whether or not Reinoehl was not only armed, but pointed his gun at the cops. I'm relatively convinced he *was* armed, which is directly contradicted by Hedges. My guess is he did not brandish his gun at police. How much effort would it have been to insert a qualifying clause like "police claim he was armed" or "witnesses claim he was unarmed"?

Regardless, people in glass houses should not throw stones, eh? Hedges' smudging of the facts around that make me suspicious of all the other facts he asserts, as well as the values within the rant.

On 12/8/20 8:34 AM, Steve Smith wrote:
> Ioffer this with a grain of capsaicin-salt to rub in the wound of our modern existential dilemma: meaning that what with Chris Hedges' familiar depressing snark, not everyone might be able to afford to read the following... Reader Beware:
>
> the Collective Suicide of the Liberal Class
> <https://scheerpost.com/2020/12/07/chris-hedges-the-collective-suicide-of-the-liberal-class/?fbclid=IwAR12FQKEpjB6dCKg63qREV4TQcwFw03zQWE_XZLXm4wA5B3ZLSD4lAjjpsw>
>
> I find it rather sobering and something worth studying as the raging voice of the Whitelash Evangelical Right returns to an angry grumble... "we the woke/enlightened/etc" need to police our own bought-out corruption in the same way many of us stood back and marveled that nobody curbed the worst excesses of (for example) Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld and then more transparently Trump et-al.
>
> I don't subscribe to the full snark of Hedges, but that doesn't mean he is wrong (just snarky?). I'd be just as happy to let those who eagerly invited Biden/Harris into the White House revel in the pushing back of the Authoritarian Right before I started trying to kick the feet out from under the (comparatively benign?) newcomers, but then I'm not Chris Hedges.

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: Fwd: Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass

Oooh, I saw this movie! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Humanity_Bureau

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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass

Unfortunately, it's not merely snark that makes the essay suspect. I was down with it as a nice political rant *until* he described the circumstances around Reinoehl. As far as I know, it's an investigative QUESTION whether or not Reinoehl was not only armed, but pointed his gun at the cops. I'm relatively convinced he *was* armed, which is directly contradicted by Hedges. My guess is he did not brandish his gun at police. How much effort would it have been to insert a qualifying clause like "police claim he was armed" or "witnesses claim he was unarmed"?

Regardless, people in glass houses should not throw stones, eh? Hedges' smudging of the facts around that make me suspicious of all the other facts he asserts, as well as the values within the rant.

On 12/8/20 8:34 AM, Steve Smith wrote:

> Ioffer this with a grain of capsaicin-salt to rub in the wound of our modern existential dilemma: meaning that what with Chris Hedges' familiar depressing snark, not everyone might be able to afford to read the following... Reader Beware:
>
> the Collective Suicide of the Liberal Class
> <https://scheerpost.com/2020/12/07/chris-hedges-the-collective-suicide
> -of-the-liberal-class/?fbclid=IwAR12FQKEpjB6dCKg63qREV4TQcwFw03zQWE_XZ
> LXm4wA5B3ZLSD4lAjjpsw>
>
> I find it rather sobering and something worth studying as the raging
> voice of the Whitelash Evangelical Right returns to an angry grumble... "we the woke/enlightened/etc" need to police our own bought-out corruption in the same way many of us stood back and marveled that nobody curbed the worst excesses of (for example) Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld and then more transparently Trump et-al.
>
> I don't subscribe to the full snark of Hedges, but that doesn't mean he is wrong (just snarky?). I'd be just as happy to let those who eagerly invited Biden/Harris into the White House revel in the pushing back of the Authoritarian Right before I started trying to kick the feet out from under the (comparatively benign?) newcomers, but then I'm not Chris Hedges.

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gepr

Re: Fwd: Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass

Ha! Yes. Nick Cage is a horseshoe talent. He's such a damn good actor that he's a bad actor.

On 12/8/20 9:47 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Oooh, I saw this movie! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Humanity_Bureau

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: Fwd: Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass

In reply to this post by gepr

I doubt that the "managerial" part of class "professional managerial-class" in his description of liberals is actually accurate. It is just a rhetorical device to suggest "Those [unproductive] people who would presume to tell us what to do." How about replacing "professional managerial-class" with "people that have learned to think"?

And the whole article suggests that those liberals that are not of the populist left variety are somehow selling out or misrepresenting a canonical identity. I think it is correct to say there *are* a lot of liberals, in the classic sense, who think freedom should be increased for everyone and that ideas about governance should be debated on merit. These people (like me) may not be of the populist left type at all.

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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass

Unfortunately, it's not merely snark that makes the essay suspect. I was down with it as a nice political rant *until* he described the circumstances around Reinoehl. As far as I know, it's an investigative QUESTION whether or not Reinoehl was not only armed, but pointed his gun at the cops. I'm relatively convinced he *was* armed, which is directly contradicted by Hedges. My guess is he did not brandish his gun at police. How much effort would it have been to insert a qualifying clause like "police claim he was armed" or "witnesses claim he was unarmed"?

Regardless, people in glass houses should not throw stones, eh? Hedges' smudging of the facts around that make me suspicious of all the other facts he asserts, as well as the values within the rant.

On 12/8/20 8:34 AM, Steve Smith wrote:

J Dalessandro

Re: Fwd: Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass

In reply to this post by Tom Johnson

Agreed. Living overseas full time as an American I feel like I am constantly apologizing for something. Also, everyone assumes i know everything about firearms.

Joe Dalessandro

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Oh, how I wish Americans weren't so stupid.
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From: Dorothy Bracey <[hidden email]>
Date: Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 3:15 PM
Subject: Fwd: Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass
To: Tom Johnson <[hidden email]>
depressing
==============================
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From: Sylvia Tiersten <dedlinesyl@...>

To:

Date: 12/07/2020 3:19 AM

Subject: Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass

Read the comments too. It’s all pretty chilling. One of them that really got to me is:

“I can’t begin to imagine what it’s like to be Canadian and have the US as a neighbor.”

Sylvia

Arriving in the US from Australia during Covid was like walking through the looking glass
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/07/arriving-in-the-us-from-australia-during-covid-was-like-walking-through-the-looking-glass?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Sylvia Tiersten
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