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>    2. Re: [MEA] whatever happened to academic freedom? (Roger Critchlow)
>    3. Re: [MEA] whatever happened to academic freedom? (Roger Critchlow)
>    4. Re: The south end of the table (Robert Holmes)
>    5. Re: The south end of the table (Giles Bowkett)
>    6. Re: The south end of the table (Douglas Roberts)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:25:54 -0700
> From: J T  Johnson
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [MEA] whatever happened to academic freedom?
> To: "Friam at redfish. com" , The NewsLib mailing
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> All:
>
> The story below was posted tonight on the Media Ecology listserv.
>
> First item on my to-do list for Monday is to ask my local public library and
> my university library to see if they can find for me a copy of Mao's "Little
> Red Book," official Peking version, please.
>
> --tom
>
> Agents' visit chills UMass Dartmouth senior
> > By AARON NICODEMUS, New Bedford (MA) Standard-Times staff writer
> > http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/12-05/12-17-05/a09lo650.htm
>
>
>
> > NEW BEDFORD -- A senior at UMass Dartmouth was visited by federal agents
> > two months ago, after he requested a copy of Mao Tse-Tung's tome on
> > Communism called "The Little Red Book."
> >
> > Two history professors at UMass Dartmouth, Brian Glyn Williams and Robert
> > Pontbriand, said the student told them he requested the book through the
> > UMass Dartmouth library's interlibrary loan program.
> >
> > The student, who was completing a research paper on Communism for
> > Professor
> > Pontbriand's class on fascism and totalitarianism, filled out a form for
> > the request, leaving his name, address, phone number and Social Security
> > number. He was later visited at his parents' home in New Bedford by two
> > agents of the Department of Homeland Security, the professors said.
> >
> > The professors said the student was told by the agents that the book is on
> >
> > a "watch list," and that his background, which included significant time
> > abroad, triggered them to investigate the student further.
> >
> > "I tell my students to go to the direct source, and so he asked for the
> > official Peking version of the book," Professor Pontbriand said.
> > "Apparently, the Department of Homeland Security is monitoring
> > inter-library loans, because that's what triggered the visit, as I
> > understand it."
> >
> > Although The Standard-Times knows the name of the student, he is not
> > coming
> > forward because he fears repercussions should his name become public. He
> > has not spoken to The Standard-Times.
> >
> > The professors had been asked to comment on a report that President Bush
> > had authorized the National Security Agency to spy on as many as 500
> > people
> > at any given time since 2002 in this country.  The eavesdropping was
> > apparently done without warrants.
> >
> > The Little Red Book, is a collection of quotations and speech excerpts
> > from
> > Chinese leader Mao Tse-Tung.  In the 1950s and '60s, during the Cultural
> > Revolution in China, it was required reading. Although there are abridged
> > versions available, the student asked for a version translated directly
> > from the original book.
> >
> > The student told Professor Pontbriand and Dr. Williams that the Homeland
> > Security agents told him the book was on a "watch list." They brought the
> > book with them, but did not leave it with the student, the professors
> > said.
> >
> > Dr. Williams said in his research, he regularly contacts people in
> > Afghanistan, Chechnya and other Muslim hot spots, and suspects that some
> > of
> > his calls are monitored.  "My instinct is that there is a lot more
> > monitoring than we think," he said.  Dr. Williams said he had been
> > planning
> > to offer a course on terrorism next semester, but is reconsidering,
> > because
> > it might put his students at risk.
> >
> > "I shudder to think of all the students I've had monitoring al-Qaeda Web
> > sites, what the government must think of that," he said. "Mao Tse-Tung is
> > completely harmless."
> >
> > Contact Aaron Nicodemus at anicodemus at s-t.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > MEA mailing list
> > MEA at lists.ibiblio.org
> > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/mea
> >
>
>
>
> --
> ==============================================
> J. T. Johnson
> Institute for Analytic Journalism
> www.analyticjournalism.com
> 505.577.6482 (c)                                 505.473.9646(h)
> http://www.jtjohnson.com               tom at jtjohnson.com
>
> "You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
> To change something, build a new model that makes the
> existing model obsolete."
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> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:42:20 -0700
> From: Roger Critchlow
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [MEA] whatever happened to academic freedom?
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
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> Cc: "Friam at redfish. com"
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> Arrgh.  This reminds me that I borrowed the DVD of Brazil from the
> library last weekend.  Included in the Criterion edition is the "Love
> Conquers All" edit that Universal was trying to force on Gilliam
> before the Los Angeles Film Critics Association named the director's
> cut the film of the year.  The film is twenty years old, but it hasn't
> lost an ounce of punch.
>
> -- rec --
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:42:20 -0700
> From: Roger Critchlow
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [MEA] whatever happened to academic freedom?
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>
> Cc: "Friam at redfish. com"
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Arrgh.  This reminds me that I borrowed the DVD of Brazil from the
> library last weekend.  Included in the Criterion edition is the "Love
> Conquers All" edit that Universal was trying to force on Gilliam
> before the Los Angeles Film Critics Association named the director's
> cut the film of the year.  The film is twenty years old, but it hasn't
> lost an ounce of punch.
>
> -- rec --
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:43:58 -0700
> From: Robert Holmes
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The south end of the table
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>
> Message-ID:
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> Oh my goodness -  that paragraph on Popperism. Was the interviewee actually
> admitting that string theory isn't experimentally falsifiable? In which case
> I'm just confirmed in my belief that string theory is about as scientific as
> intellgient design, just with harder mathematics.
>
> Robert
>
> On 12/16/05, Douglas Roberts  wrote:
> >
> > Our end of the table was talking about this very subject this morning.
> >
> > http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/mg18825305.800.html
> >
> > --
> > Doug Roberts
> > 505-455-7333 - Office
> > 505-670-8195 - Cell
> >
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:26:43 -0700
> From: Giles Bowkett
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The south end of the table
> To: robert at holmesacosta.com, The Friday Morning Applied Complexity
> Coffee Group
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> On 12/17/05, Robert Holmes  wrote:
> > I'm just confirmed in my belief that string theory is about as scientific as
> > intellgient design, just with harder mathematics.
>
> I have to say I agree with this position wholeheartedly. I don't even
> believe in the Big Bang. I think the whole thing is ridiculous. (I
> wrote a huge rant about this and then left it in "Drafts" as a public
> service.)
>
> --
> Giles Bowkett = Giles Goat Boy
> http://www.gilesgoatboy.org/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:35:54 -0700
> From: Douglas Roberts
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The south end of the table
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Giles,
>
> Are you a physicist?  I'm not one, myself, but my father in law is a
> theoritical astrophysicist, and one of my long-time "hobbies" has been the
> study of cosmology.  I am curious why you think the big bang theory is
> ridiculous.  *All* of the observable evidence (cosmic background radiation,
> redshift, COBE's ovservations of the anisotropy of the ovservable universe)
> supports a big bang origin.
>
> --Doug
>
> On 12/18/05, Giles Bowkett  wrote:
> >
> > On 12/17/05, Robert Holmes  wrote:
> > > I'm just confirmed in my belief that string theory is about as
> > scientific as
> > > intellgient design, just with harder mathematics.
> >
> > I have to say I agree with this position wholeheartedly. I don't even
> > believe in the Big Bang. I think the whole thing is ridiculous. (I
> > wrote a huge rant about this and then left it in "Drafts" as a public
> > service.)
> >
> > --
> > Giles Bowkett = Giles Goat Boy
> > http://www.gilesgoatboy.org/
> >
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Doug Roberts
> 505-455-7333 - Office
> 505-670-8195 - Cell
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  > 1. Re: [MEA] whatever happened to academic freedom? (J T Johnson)
  > 2. Re: [MEA] whatever happened to academic freedom? (Roger Critchlow)
  > 3. Re: [MEA] whatever happened to academic freedom? (Roger Critchlow)
  > 4. Re: The south end of the table (Robert Holmes)
  > 5. Re: The south end of the table (Giles Bowkett)
  > 6. Re: The south end of the table (Douglas Roberts)
  >
  >
  > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  >
  > Message: 1
  > Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:25:54 -0700
  > From: J T Johnson
  > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [MEA] whatever happened to academic freedom?
  > To: "Friam at redfish. com" , The NewsLib mailing
  > list
  > Message-ID:
  >
  > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
  >
  > All:
  >
  > The story below was posted tonight on the Media Ecology listserv.
  >
  > First item on my to-do list for Monday is to ask my local public library
and
  > my university library to see if they can find for me a copy of Mao's
"Little
  > Red Book," official Peking version, please.
  >
  > --tom
  >
  > Agents' visit chills UMass Dartmouth senior
  > > By AARON NICODEMUS, New Bedford (MA) Standard-Times staff writer
  > > http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/12-05/12-17-05/a09lo650.htm
  >
  >
  >
  > > NEW BEDFORD -- A senior at UMass Dartmouth was visited by federal
agents
  > > two months ago, after he requested a copy of Mao Tse-Tung's tome on
  > > Communism called "The Little Red Book."
  > >
  > > Two history professors at UMass Dartmouth, Brian Glyn Williams and
Robert
  > > Pontbriand, said the student told them he requested the book through
the
  > > UMass Dartmouth library's interlibrary loan program.
  > >
  > > The student, who was completing a research paper on Communism for
  > > Professor
  > > Pontbriand's class on fascism and totalitarianism, filled out a form
for
  > > the request, leaving his name, address, phone number and Social
Security
  > > number. He was later visited at his parents' home in New Bedford by
two
  > > agents of the Department of Homeland Security, the professors said.
  > >
  > > The professors said the student was told by the agents that the book
is on
  > >
  > > a "watch list," and that his background, which included significant
time
  > > abroad, triggered them to investigate the student further.
  > >
  > > "I tell my students to go to the direct source, and so he asked for
the
  > > official Peking version of the book," Professor Pontbriand said.
  > > "Apparently, the Department of Homeland Security is monitoring
  > > inter-library loans, because that's what triggered the visit, as I
  > > understand it."
  > >
  > > Although The Standard-Times knows the name of the student, he is not
  > > coming
  > > forward because he fears repercussions should his name become public.
He
  > > has not spoken to The Standard-Times.
  > >
  > > The professors had been asked to comment on a report that President
Bush
  > > had authorized the National Security Agency to spy on as many as 500
  > > people
  > > at any given time since 2002 in this country. The eavesdropping was
  > > apparently done without warrants.
  > >
  > > The Little Red Book, is a collection of quotations and speech excerpts
  > > from
  > > Chinese leader Mao Tse-Tung. In the 1950s and '60s, during the
Cultural
  > > Revolution in China, it was required reading. Although there are
abridged
  > > versions available, the student asked for a version translated
directly
  > > from the original book.
  > >
  > > The student told Professor Pontbriand and Dr. Williams that the
Homeland
  > > Security agents told him the book was on a "watch list." They brought
the
  > > book with them, but did not leave it with the student, the professors
  > > said.
  > >
  > > Dr. Williams said in his research, he regularly contacts people in
  > > Afghanistan, Chechnya and other Muslim hot spots, and suspects that
some
  > > of
  > > his calls are monitored. "My instinct is that there is a lot more
  > > monitoring than we think," he said. Dr. Williams said he had been
  > > planning
  > > to offer a course on terrorism next semester, but is reconsidering,
  > > because
  > > it might put his students at risk.
  > >
  > > "I shudder to think of all the students I've had monitoring al-Qaeda
Web
  > > sites, what the government must think of that," he said. "Mao Tse-Tung
is
  > > completely harmless."
  > >
  > > Contact Aaron Nicodemus at anicodemus at s-t.com
  > >
  > > _______________________________________________
  > > MEA mailing list
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  > >
  >
  >
  >
  > --
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  > J. T. Johnson
  > Institute for Analytic Journalism
  > www.analyticjournalism.com
  > 505.577.6482 (c) 505.473.9646(h)
  > http://www.jtjohnson.com tom at jtjohnson.com
  >
  > "You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
  > To change something, build a new model that makes the
  > existing model obsolete."
  > -- Buckminster Fuller
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  > Message: 2
  > Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:42:20 -0700
  > From: Roger Critchlow
  > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [MEA] whatever happened to academic freedom?
  > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
  >
  > Cc: "Friam at redfish. com"
  > Message-ID:
  >
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  >
  > Arrgh. This reminds me that I borrowed the DVD of Brazil from the
  > library last weekend. Included in the Criterion edition is the "Love
  > Conquers All" edit that Universal was trying to force on Gilliam
  > before the Los Angeles Film Critics Association named the director's
  > cut the film of the year. The film is twenty years old, but it hasn't
  > lost an ounce of punch.
  >
  > -- rec --
  >
  >
  >
  > ------------------------------
  >
  > Message: 3
  > Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:42:20 -0700
  > From: Roger Critchlow
  > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [MEA] whatever happened to academic freedom?
  > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
  >
  > Cc: "Friam at redfish. com"
  > Message-ID:
  >
  > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
  >
  > Arrgh. This reminds me that I borrowed the DVD of Brazil from the
  > library last weekend. Included in the Criterion edition is the "Love
  > Conquers All" edit that Universal was trying to force on Gilliam
  > before the Los Angeles Film Critics Association named the director's
  > cut the film of the year. The film is twenty years old, but it hasn't
  > lost an ounce of punch.
  >
  > -- rec --
  >
  >
  >
  > ------------------------------
  >
  > Message: 4
  > Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:43:58 -0700
  > From: Robert Holmes
  > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The south end of the table
  > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
  >
  > Message-ID:
  >
  > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
  >
  > Oh my goodness - that paragraph on Popperism. Was the interviewee
actually
  > admitting that string theory isn't experimentally falsifiable? In which
case
  > I'm just confirmed in my belief that string theory is about as
scientific as
  > intellgient design, just with harder mathematics.
  >
  > Robert
  >
  > On 12/16/05, Douglas Roberts wrote:
  > >
  > > Our end of the table was talking about this very subject this morning.
  > >
  > > http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/mg18825305.800.html
  > >
  > > --
  > > Doug Roberts
  > > 505-455-7333 - Office
  > > 505-670-8195 - Cell
  > >
  > > ============================================================
  > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
  > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
  > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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  > Message: 5
  > Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:26:43 -0700
  > From: Giles Bowkett
  > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The south end of the table
  > To: robert at holmesacosta.com, The Friday Morning Applied Complexity
  > Coffee Group
  > Message-ID:
  >
  > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
  >
  > On 12/17/05, Robert Holmes wrote:
  > > I'm just confirmed in my belief that string theory is about as
scientific as
  > > intellgient design, just with harder mathematics.
  >
  > I have to say I agree with this position wholeheartedly. I don't even
  > believe in the Big Bang. I think the whole thing is ridiculous. (I
  > wrote a huge rant about this and then left it in "Drafts" as a public
  > service.)
  >
  > --
  > Giles Bowkett = Giles Goat Boy
  > http://www.gilesgoatboy.org/
  >
  >
  >
  > ------------------------------
  >
  > Message: 6
  > Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:35:54 -0700
  > From: Douglas Roberts
  > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The south end of the table
  > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
  >
  > Message-ID:
  >
  > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
  >
  > Giles,
  >
  > Are you a physicist? I'm not one, myself, but my father in law is a
  > theoritical astrophysicist, and one of my long-time "hobbies" has been
the
  > study of cosmology. I am curious why you think the big bang theory is
  > ridiculous. *All* of the observable evidence (cosmic background
radiation,
  > redshift, COBE's ovservations of the anisotropy of the ovservable
universe)
  > supports a big bang origin.
  >
  > --Doug
  >
  > On 12/18/05, Giles Bowkett wrote:
  > >
  > > On 12/17/05, Robert Holmes wrote:
  > > > I'm just confirmed in my belief that string theory is about as
  > > scientific as
  > > > intellgient design, just with harder mathematics.
  > >
  > > I have to say I agree with this position wholeheartedly. I don't even
  > > believe in the Big Bang. I think the whole thing is ridiculous. (I
  > > wrote a huge rant about this and then left it in "Drafts" as a public
  > > service.)
  > >
  > > --
  > > Giles Bowkett = Giles Goat Boy
  > > http://www.gilesgoatboy.org/
  > >
  > > ============================================================
  > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
  > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
  > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
  > >
  >
  >
  >
  > --
  > Doug Roberts
  > 505-455-7333 - Office
  > 505-670-8195 - Cell
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  Changwon Kim, Professor,PhD
  Department of Environmental Engineering
  Pusan National University
  Keumjungkoo Changjundong Busan, South Korea
  Tel:[phone]
  e-mail:cwkim at pusan.ac.kr
  Lab website:http://waterlab.env.pusan.ac.kr/
  blog:http://blog.naver.com/cwkim100





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