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Nick Thompson

Friam Digest, Vol 29, Issue 27

Where the heck is the Mission Cafe?

Nick

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> Date: 11/21/2005 12:00:30 PM
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> 1. Re: Ruby on Rails (Owen Densmore)
> 2. Re: Ruby on Rails (Owen Densmore)
> 3. Re: Ruby on Rails (Robert Holmes)
> 4. FriAm: "on" or not this Friday? (Kruchoski, Mike (MRC))
> 5. Re: Ruby on Rails (Giles Bowkett)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:47:25 -0700
> From: Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Ruby on Rails
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <Friam at redfish.com>
> Message-ID: <3E9E7984-6EDB-4037-9502-3CCFF220B9E6 at backspaces.net>
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> A surprising amount of our modeling is done with netlogo. RePast
> used to be used quite a bit but we found that there was nothing we
> could not do in netlogo, so due to RePast being more difficult to
> program, we've settled happily on netlogo. It has the happy side
> effect that more of the folks involved in the simulation can easily
> read the code as well, and deploys simply in web pages.
>
> That said, I should mention that we do quite a bit outside of the
> model itself. Stephen uses the model data in various visualization
> packages to make the data far more understandable by clients. We
> also find ourselves using statistics packages like R to analyze
> parameter scans done in netlogo. This lets us output simple text
> formatted data from netlogo and pass it on to more sophisticated
> systems.
>
> Thus our view of simulation and modeling has become one of several
> systems working in concert rather than a single package like RePast
> or netlogo or the like.
>
> -- Owen
>
> Owen Densmore
> http://backspaces.net - http://redfish.com - http://friam.org
>
>
> On Nov 20, 2005, at 6:46 PM, Martin C. Martin wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Russell Standish wrote:
> >
> >> What's it for? The website indicates its for website development, but
> >> unless that's what you do for a living, is it of interest? For
> >> instance is it useful for doing simulations?
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Well, Ruby probably is.
> >
> > Out of curiosity, how many people here do simulations in a high level
> > language (e.g. Java or C++) vs. a very high level language (like Ruby,
> > Python or perl)?
> >
> > - Martin
> >
> >
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> > Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at http://
> > www.friam.org
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:09:12 -0700
> From: Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Ruby on Rails
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <Friam at redfish.com>
> Message-ID: <65FE373B-C01F-41E0-9B85-1723D4C262E0 at backspaces.net>
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> Oh, and I left out the most important factor: dueling models!
>
> It's so fast to get netlogo models running, we almost always do a
> "silly" level-0 model that lets us get the algorithms right and then
> "the real" model .. and with one recent project, two "real models" ..
> one at a low resolution but with a large scope (zozobra with all of
> Ft Marcy park) and one at high resolution (zozobra with just the
> baseball diamond).
>
> This two-level approach is often very useful with client interaction
> as well .. we can show what we're doing and very quickly respond to
> feedback. Indeed, with the recent Stadium model we did, we weren't
> really sure which the client would go for until near the end of the
> project.
>
> -- Owen
>
> Owen Densmore
> http://backspaces.net - http://redfish.com - http://friam.org
>
>
> On Nov 21, 2005, at 8:47 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>
> > A surprising amount of our modeling is done with netlogo. RePast
> > used to be used quite a bit but we found that there was nothing we
> > could not do in netlogo, so due to RePast being more difficult to
> > program, we've settled happily on netlogo. It has the happy side
> > effect that more of the folks involved in the simulation can easily
> > read the code as well, and deploys simply in web pages.
> >
> > That said, I should mention that we do quite a bit outside of the
> > model itself. Stephen uses the model data in various visualization
> > packages to make the data far more understandable by clients. We
> > also find ourselves using statistics packages like R to analyze
> > parameter scans done in netlogo. This lets us output simple text
> > formatted data from netlogo and pass it on to more sophisticated
> > systems.
> >
> > Thus our view of simulation and modeling has become one of several
> > systems working in concert rather than a single package like RePast
> > or netlogo or the like.
> >
> > -- Owen
> >
> > Owen Densmore
> > http://backspaces.net - http://redfish.com - http://friam.org
> >
> >
> > On Nov 20, 2005, at 6:46 PM, Martin C. Martin wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Russell Standish wrote:
> >>
> >>> What's it for? The website indicates its for website development,
> >>> but
> >>> unless that's what you do for a living, is it of interest? For
> >>> instance is it useful for doing simulations?
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Well, Ruby probably is.
> >>
> >> Out of curiosity, how many people here do simulations in a high level
> >> language (e.g. Java or C++) vs. a very high level language (like
> >> Ruby,
> >> Python or perl)?
> >>
> >> - Martin
> >>
> >>
> >> ============================================================
> >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> >> Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at http://
> >> www.friam.org
> >
> >
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> > Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at http://
> > www.friam.org
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:23:25 -0700
> From: Robert Holmes <rholmes62 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Ruby on Rails
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <Friam at redfish.com>
> Message-ID:
> <857770150511210823v5f5cff7dndd5a8dee57ba222c at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Phew - I was getting anxious that no one had mentioned validating these
> things. If you're not doing something with a stats package at the backend,
> you're not doing it right :-)
>
> Robert
>
> (Python for the simulation, R for the stats)
>
> On 11/21/05, Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net> wrote:
> >
> > A surprising amount of our modeling is done with netlogo. RePast
> > used to be used quite a bit but we found that there was nothing we
> > could not do in netlogo, so due to RePast being more difficult to
> > program, we've settled happily on netlogo. It has the happy side
> > effect that more of the folks involved in the simulation can easily
> > read the code as well, and deploys simply in web pages.
> >
> > That said, I should mention that we do quite a bit outside of the
> > model itself. Stephen uses the model data in various visualization
> > packages to make the data far more understandable by clients. We
> > also find ourselves using statistics packages like R to analyze
> > parameter scans done in netlogo. This lets us output simple text
> > formatted data from netlogo and pass it on to more sophisticated
> > systems.
> >
> > Thus our view of simulation and modeling has become one of several
> > systems working in concert rather than a single package like RePast
> > or netlogo or the like.
> >
> > -- Owen
> >
> > Owen Densmore
> > http://backspaces.net - http://redfish.com - http://friam.org
> >
> >
> > On Nov 20, 2005, at 6:46 PM, Martin C. Martin wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Russell Standish wrote:
> > >
> > >> What's it for? The website indicates its for website development, but
> > >> unless that's what you do for a living, is it of interest? For
> > >> instance is it useful for doing simulations?
> > >>
> > >> Cheers
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > Well, Ruby probably is.
> > >
> > > Out of curiosity, how many people here do simulations in a high level
> > > language (e.g. Java or C++) vs. a very high level language (like Ruby,
> > > Python or perl)?
> > >
> > > - Martin
> > >
> > >
> > > ============================================================
> > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> > > Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at http://
> > > www.friam.org <http://www.friam.org>
> >
> >
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> > Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at
> > http://www.friam.org
> >
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> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:39:42 -0600
> From: "Kruchoski, Mike \(MRC\)" <Mike.Kruchoski at ATK.COM>
> Subject: [FRIAM] FriAm: "on" or not this Friday?
> To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group"
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> I've been up to my eyeballs in work lately, but I thought I might
> (finally) make it back to Santa Fe for coffee & discussion. Is anyone
> planning to get together this week, despite the holiday break? Or is it
> off?
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:58:53 -0700
> From: Giles Bowkett <gilesb at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Ruby on Rails
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <Friam at redfish.com>
> Message-ID:
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> On the simulation languages thing, I'm just a lowly web developer. I
> use mostly scripting languages. The exception is Java, although to be
> honest, there are times when Java is so pre-designed that it seems
> like a scripting language too.
>
> But I have a question -- if you do your agent simulations in Python,
> does that mean that there's a NetLogo-like package in Python? (I'm on
> a Python list that might find that interesting.)
>
> On 11/21/05, Robert Holmes <rholmes62 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Phew - I was getting anxious that no one had mentioned validating these
> > things. If you're not doing something with a stats package at the

backend,

> > you're not doing it right :-)
> >
> > Robert
> >
> > (Python for the simulation, R for the stats)
> >
> >
> > On 11/21/05, Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net> wrote:
> > > A surprising amount of our modeling is done with netlogo. RePast
> > > used to be used quite a bit but we found that there was nothing we
> > > could not do in netlogo, so due to RePast being more difficult to
> > > program, we've settled happily on netlogo. It has the happy side
> > > effect that more of the folks involved in the simulation can easily
> > > read the code as well, and deploys simply in web pages.
> > >
> > > That said, I should mention that we do quite a bit outside of the
> > > model itself. Stephen uses the model data in various visualization
> > > packages to make the data far more understandable by clients. We
> > > also find ourselves using statistics packages like R to analyze
> > > parameter scans done in netlogo. This lets us output simple text
> > > formatted data from netlogo and pass it on to more sophisticated
> > > systems.
> > >
> > > Thus our view of simulation and modeling has become one of several
> > > systems working in concert rather than a single package like RePast
> > > or netlogo or the like.
> > >
> > > -- Owen
> > >
> > > Owen Densmore
> > > http://backspaces.net - http://redfish.com - http://friam.org
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 20, 2005, at 6:46 PM, Martin C. Martin wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Russell Standish wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> What's it for? The website indicates its for website development,

but

> > > >> unless that's what you do for a living, is it of interest? For
> > > >> instance is it useful for doing simulations?
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheers
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > Well, Ruby probably is.
> > > >
> > > > Out of curiosity, how many people here do simulations in a high

level
> > > > language (e.g. Java or C++) vs. a very high level language (like
Ruby,

> > > > Python or perl)?
> > > >
> > > > - Martin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > ============================================================
> > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> > > > Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at http://
> > > > www.friam.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > ============================================================
> > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> > > Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at
> > http://www.friam.org
> > >
> >
> >
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Mission Cafe
> > Wed Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, maps, etc. at
> > http://www.friam.org
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Giles Bowkett = Giles Goat Boy
> http://www.gilesgoatboy.org/
>
>
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Roger Critchlow-2

Friam Digest, Vol 29, Issue 27

On 11/21/05, Nicholas Thompson <nickthompson at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Where the heck is the Mission Cafe?
>
> Nick

It is Jane's Cafe, renovated and reopened under new management, with a
full menu and a liquor license application.

-- rec --

John Pfersich

Friam Digest, Vol 29, Issue 27

In reply to this post by Nick Thompson

At 10:54 AM 11/21/2005 -0700, Roger Critchlow wrote:
>On 11/21/05, Nicholas Thompson <nickthompson at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Where the heck is the Mission Cafe?
> >
> > Nick
>
>It is Jane's Cafe, renovated and reopened under new management, with a
>full menu and a liquor license application.
>
>-- rec --
So's that means that sooner or later they'll be serving Irish coffee? Yummy
in the morning.