Freudian Wish Correspondence

[thompnickson2]

Dear Phellow Phriammers,

 

EricC has demanded to know why I have not pitched into the discussion of Hazard-learning and Development.  Mostly, I am 82 and I just cannot keep up with you guys.  Do any of the rest of you know what its like to fall behind in a friam conversation??!! It’s like climbing a hill of ball bearings. 

 

I am fighting the urge to justify my negligence.  The discussion does seem to verge on a bicker amongst the Libertarian Faithful -- the kind of argument which would go better if we had all read Vygotsky (which I have not).  I will say that Vygotsky is the origin of the notion of “scaffolding” by adults.  The Good Mother’s behavior toward the child and the flame just seems like a perfect example of scaffolding, where one set’s up the conditions for safe learning and then gets the hell out of the way.   I can see why Eric, who is on the point of raising two teenagers, might have this issue in mind.  I less understand where Glen is coming from. 

 

But setting aside my anti-libertarian bias, it seems an interesting and useful conversation, to which I, for once, blessedly, do not have anything to contribute but a rectified transcript of the conversation so far.

 

I have added this note to the bottom of it.  Why don’t you all do the same?

 

Let the conversation continue!

 

Nick  

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[Frank Wimberly-2]

I simply don't have time to read such a long document because of the necessity of dealing with/reading other things (I am raising an eight year-old).  I did skim it however and I have one comment.  When I was about five my best friend and I came across a rattlesnake in Estancia, New Mexico.  Nobody had to tell us to stay away from that writhing, hissing, rattling beast.

Frank

On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 2:12 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear Phellow Phriammers,

 

EricC has demanded to know why I have not pitched into the discussion of Hazard-learning and Development.  Mostly, I am 82 and I just cannot keep up with you guys.  Do any of the rest of you know what its like to fall behind in a friam conversation??!! It’s like climbing a hill of ball bearings. 

 

I am fighting the urge to justify my negligence.  The discussion does seem to verge on a bicker amongst the Libertarian Faithful -- the kind of argument which would go better if we had all read Vygotsky (which I have not).  I will say that Vygotsky is the origin of the notion of “scaffolding” by adults.  The Good Mother’s behavior toward the child and the flame just seems like a perfect example of scaffolding, where one set’s up the conditions for safe learning and then gets the hell out of the way.   I can see why Eric, who is on the point of raising two teenagers, might have this issue in mind.  I less understand where Glen is coming from. 

 

But setting aside my anti-libertarian bias, it seems an interesting and useful conversation, to which I, for once, blessedly, do not have anything to contribute but a rectified transcript of the conversation so far.

 

I have added this note to the bottom of it.  Why don’t you all do the same?

 

Let the conversation continue!

 

Nick  

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[gepr]

It's important to realize that particular conversation was NOT a set of posts to a mailing list but emails between 4 explicit recipients. Falling behind on posts to a forum is VERY different from falling behind in one's private letters.


On September 13, 2020 1:11:51 PM PDT, [hidden email] wrote:
>Let the conversation continue!


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[thompnickson2]

Well, it's all falling-behind to me, and it feels rotten.

And it leads to my making mistakes  in my Digital Manners, for which I then have to apologize, and that feels even more rotten.

Perhaps I need to take a break.

Thanks for the headsup, Glen,

Nick

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
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-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of ? glen
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 4:08 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Freudian Wish Correspondence

It's important to realize that particular conversation was NOT a set of posts to a mailing list but emails between 4 explicit recipients. Falling behind on posts to a forum is VERY different from falling behind in one's private letters.


On September 13, 2020 1:11:51 PM PDT, [hidden email] wrote:
>Let the conversation continue!


--
glen ⛧

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