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OK, I've been bumping into facebook a bunch lately .. can anyone tell
me why its wonderful? Anyone using it? My interest is that the iPhone world is happy with it's new iPhone version. Apparently lots of web 2.0 sites are rushing to provide an iPhone version. Makes sense 'cause the iPhone does not support 3rd party apps, and encourages developers to create web-centric applications instead: http://developer.apple.com/iphone/ -- Owen |
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My general impression is that its popularity is driven by
adolescents, Owen; which means you and I will never understand why its wonderful (or it may be wonderful precisely because we can't understand it), and you're better off asking your kinds. But that's based on anecdotal information, and may be innacurate. Do they have demographics on the site? db On Aug 16, 2007, at 10:02 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: > OK, I've been bumping into facebook a bunch lately .. can anyone tell > me why its wonderful? > > Anyone using it? My interest is that the iPhone world is happy with > it's new iPhone version. Apparently lots of web 2.0 sites are > rushing to provide an iPhone version. Makes sense 'cause the iPhone > does not support 3rd party apps, and encourages developers to create > web-centric applications instead: > http://developer.apple.com/iphone/ > > -- Owen > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > dba | David Breecker Associates, Inc. Santa Fe: 505-690-2335 Abiquiu: 505-685-4891 www.BreeckerAssociates.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20070816/b900df23/attachment.html |
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David Breecker wrote:
> My general impression is that its popularity is driven by adolescents Conceptually, much like the grown-up versions like LinkedIn on Congoo. The kind of human interaction being sought is somewhat different, but technology-wise, that's just hair-splitting! |
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My experience is that Facebook is highly popular among non-adolescents, at least in terms of their chronological age.
Although there tends to be a certain frivolousness to the interactions that occur, I think Facebook would reveal some interesting hub formations within a larger network, and could actually be a source of an interesting study in complexity. There seems to be a tendency for some people to try to gather as many "friends" as possible, even to the extent that many, if not most, of the "friends" are merely distant acquaintances. I'm not sure if this constitutes a form of social competition to see who has the most friends, or what. Regardless, one could do some interesting "degrees of separation" analysis. There are, I've no doubt, some emergent properties in the Facebook phenomena, and I personally have found it interesting to be involved in it -- not to mention there is just a hint of fun involved! Hugh Trenchard ----- Original Message ----- From: David Breecker To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Facebook? iPhone? My general impression is that its popularity is driven by adolescents, Owen; which means you and I will never understand why its wonderful (or it may be wonderful precisely because we can't understand it), and you're better off asking your kinds. But that's based on anecdotal information, and may be innacurate. Do they have demographics on the site? db On Aug 16, 2007, at 10:02 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: OK, I've been bumping into facebook a bunch lately .. can anyone tell me why its wonderful? Anyone using it? My interest is that the iPhone world is happy with it's new iPhone version. Apparently lots of web 2.0 sites are rushing to provide an iPhone version. Makes sense 'cause the iPhone does not support 3rd party apps, and encourages developers to create web-centric applications instead: http://developer.apple.com/iphone/ -- Owen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org dba | David Breecker Associates, Inc. Santa Fe: 505-690-2335 Abiquiu: 505-685-4891 www.BreeckerAssociates.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20070816/a45c6005/attachment.html |
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I've seen several articles recently on Myspace vs Facebook demographics:
lots of claims that it splits along class lies. For example: http://www.forbes.com/home/technology/2007/07/20/facebook-myspace-internet-tech-cz_ccm_0723class.html Robert ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20070817/077aab02/attachment.html |
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Hash: SHA1 Owen Densmore wrote: > OK, I've been bumping into facebook a bunch lately .. can anyone tell > me why its wonderful? > > Anyone using it? My interest is that the iPhone world is happy with I'm using it because a friend's company (http://web.splashcast.net/) built an application for it. I've long been confused by "social networking sites"; so, I decided to put some effort into facebook and see what pops out. I can't use the word "wonderful"; but, I can express a few good things: 1) the status updates are engaging because (if you actually know and like your "friends") they provide little snippets of your friends' sense of humor and daily life. Example status updates on my page now are: XYZ "is NOT watching Suspiria with her son and husband cuz she hates blood and gore." ABC "is transforming his massive ennui stockpile into cold, hard inaction." 2) Some of the applications are useful. For example, one application encourages you to enter the books you've read or are reading and review them. Since I actually like and respect the opinions of the friends I've added, this helps me find the books that don't suck in the imponderably huge list of books I might waste time reading. 3) Since facebook has a fairly fine-grained permissions scheme, people _feel_ a little safer about entering honest biographical information. (Note that I said _feel_ safer.... I don't think they are any safer.) I've actually learned a few things about my "friends" from their biographical info. Personally, I think the usefulness of facebook and linkedin is minimal. LinkedIn seems totally useless (to me) because everyone seems to be into building huge networks of people they don't know or have only met a few times. I've tried to limit my facebook network to people I actually know quite well. This makes facebook seem more useful even though it's not. But, facebook (unlike linkedin) has reduced the frequency of the thought "I wonder what XYZ's up to these days?" - -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. -- Jacob Hornberger -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD4DBQFGxbf2ZeB+vOTnLkoRAiEuAJ9fenQOkq6VV+Gw3spTCu21jxaRngCXZPTe UosqCvrz160jktA7KoEqTQ== =EN1h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Owen:
I'm using Facebook and Linkedin for many purposes. Cleary, social networks are the future for many reasons. Trade, relationships, causes, etc. Facebook is currently the fastest growing public social network, and Myspace is the largest by far. Linkedin is mostly for business and is trying to compete with the others. Social networking is becoming the key for Internet traffic growth in advertising, your causes or to create your social site. They all allow 3rd party widgets, but you need to stay on the site. This creates a specialized third party application. Maybe with a little database. They are wonderful because they bring people with "like" minds together. If you think of eBay, people trade without knowing each other and their biz model is beginning to show rust. It is slowing down. Social network trade will probably take over. In fact, this FRIAM group should be operating in a social network and these threads would be preserved for future readers. If this is interest in this, I'll build one. Mike -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 10:02 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] Facebook? iPhone? OK, I've been bumping into facebook a bunch lately .. can anyone tell me why its wonderful? Anyone using it? My interest is that the iPhone world is happy with it's new iPhone version. Apparently lots of web 2.0 sites are rushing to provide an iPhone version. Makes sense 'cause the iPhone does not support 3rd party apps, and encourages developers to create web-centric applications instead: http://developer.apple.com/iphone/ -- Owen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Hash: SHA1 First, if you created a FRIAM-style group using some (other -- e.g. not e-mail) subset of social networking technology, I'd participate. But, I'd participate not because I already buy in to the idea that "social networks are the future". I'd participate for precisely the opposite reason: I criticize the hyperbolic assessments of new social networking technology (or any technology to be honest) because through criticism comes truth. In other words, we don't establish the truth through positive statements of belief like "social networks are clearly the future". [grin] Second, the more subtle point is that all the talk about social networking technology seems (to me) like snake oil. The reason it seems like snake oil is because I don't think anything seriously novel is showing up because of these tools. Humans are (and always have been as far as I can tell) fundamentally social animals. Our entire identity is defined from without via social imprinting that happens and is reinforced throughout our lives. Hence, it's not the case that social networks are the future _except_ in so far as _all_ technology has always been and always will be social because we (the ones who created the technology) are social. That renders the phrase "social networking technology" moot. Further hence, facebook, myspace, Reed's Law, small worlds, etc. are all just different fossils left behind by our inherently social behavior. If this skeptical interpretation is true, the question becomes: What do these (new) techniques provide us that is any different from other (older) techniques? I.e. what does LinkedIn allow an individual to do that, say, persistent participation in conferences and public events fails to do? My answer to the question is: LinkedIn allows an individual to _believe_ they're part of a professional network when in reality they are NOT part of such a network. Or a softer version of that would be that tools like this _distort_ one's concept of the professional (or any type of) network in which they sit. So, going all the way to the end, devices like MySpace are analogous to religion. They allow us to bootstrap beyond the potentially debilitating initial skepticism and just jump straight to the delusional behavior. For example, a 16 year old girl arranging to meet what she thinks is a 16 year old boy. And carrying it just a bit further, these tools are most useful to people who are comfortable (and probably familiar) with using and abusing _other_ people's tendencies toward delusion. Politicians come to mind as exemplar professional delusion-manipulators. Michael Orshan wrote: > I'm using Facebook and Linkedin for many purposes. Cleary, social networks > are the future for many reasons. Trade, relationships, causes, etc. > Facebook is currently the fastest growing public social network, and Myspace > is the largest by far. Linkedin is mostly for business and is trying to > compete with the others. Social networking is becoming the key for Internet > traffic growth in advertising, your causes or to create your social site. > > They all allow 3rd party widgets, but you need to stay on the site. This > creates a specialized third party application. Maybe with a little > database. > > They are wonderful because they bring people with "like" minds together. If > you think of eBay, people trade without knowing each other and their biz > model is beginning to show rust. It is slowing down. Social network trade > will probably take over. In fact, this FRIAM group should be operating in > a social network and these threads would be preserved for future readers. > If this is interest in this, I'll build one. - -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. -- H. L. Mencken -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGyfbEZeB+vOTnLkoRAoufAJ9eE6cO36XxNu1zcF4ZaAMDaK6UsQCfSi5O gqQuppdVz6Ph4MGsLquoEWo= =k5J1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Hi:
Well I'll put something together and see if it works. You can post articles, videos, and audio on the site. You can also create groups. I think there is tremendous opportunity in these social networks, but we will have to see how this plays out. There is a push to move unified communication opportunities through these networks for the telco people in the room. That also needs to play out. Mike -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Glen E. P. Ropella Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 2:17 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Facebook? iPhone? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 First, if you created a FRIAM-style group using some (other -- e.g. not e-mail) subset of social networking technology, I'd participate. But, I'd participate not because I already buy in to the idea that "social networks are the future". I'd participate for precisely the opposite reason: I criticize the hyperbolic assessments of new social networking technology (or any technology to be honest) because through criticism comes truth. In other words, we don't establish the truth through positive statements of belief like "social networks are clearly the future". [grin] Second, the more subtle point is that all the talk about social networking technology seems (to me) like snake oil. The reason it seems like snake oil is because I don't think anything seriously novel is showing up because of these tools. Humans are (and always have been as far as I can tell) fundamentally social animals. Our entire identity is defined from without via social imprinting that happens and is reinforced throughout our lives. Hence, it's not the case that social networks are the future _except_ in so far as _all_ technology has always been and always will be social because we (the ones who created the technology) are social. That renders the phrase "social networking technology" moot. Further hence, facebook, myspace, Reed's Law, small worlds, etc. are all just different fossils left behind by our inherently social behavior. If this skeptical interpretation is true, the question becomes: What do these (new) techniques provide us that is any different from other (older) techniques? I.e. what does LinkedIn allow an individual to do that, say, persistent participation in conferences and public events fails to do? My answer to the question is: LinkedIn allows an individual to _believe_ they're part of a professional network when in reality they are NOT part of such a network. Or a softer version of that would be that tools like this _distort_ one's concept of the professional (or any type of) network in which they sit. So, going all the way to the end, devices like MySpace are analogous to religion. They allow us to bootstrap beyond the potentially debilitating initial skepticism and just jump straight to the delusional behavior. For example, a 16 year old girl arranging to meet what she thinks is a 16 year old boy. And carrying it just a bit further, these tools are most useful to people who are comfortable (and probably familiar) with using and abusing _other_ people's tendencies toward delusion. Politicians come to mind as exemplar professional delusion-manipulators. Michael Orshan wrote: > I'm using Facebook and Linkedin for many purposes. Cleary, social networks > are the future for many reasons. Trade, relationships, causes, etc. > Facebook is currently the fastest growing public social network, and Myspace > is the largest by far. Linkedin is mostly for business and is trying to > compete with the others. Social networking is becoming the key for Internet > traffic growth in advertising, your causes or to create your social site. > > They all allow 3rd party widgets, but you need to stay on the site. This > creates a specialized third party application. Maybe with a little > database. > > They are wonderful because they bring people with "like" minds together. If > you think of eBay, people trade without knowing each other and their biz > model is beginning to show rust. It is slowing down. Social network trade > will probably take over. In fact, this FRIAM group should be operating in > a social network and these threads would be preserved for future readers. > If this is interest in this, I'll build one. - -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. -- H. L. Mencken -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGyfbEZeB+vOTnLkoRAoufAJ9eE6cO36XxNu1zcF4ZaAMDaK6UsQCfSi5O gqQuppdVz6Ph4MGsLquoEWo= =k5J1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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-----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Glen E. P. Ropella Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 2:17 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Facebook? iPhone? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 First, if you created a FRIAM-style group using some (other -- e.g. not e-mail) subset of social networking technology, I'd participate. But, I'd participate not because I already buy in to the idea that "social networks are the future". I'd participate for precisely the opposite reason: I criticize the hyperbolic assessments of new social networking technology (or any technology to be honest) because through criticism comes truth. In other words, we don't establish the truth through positive statements of belief like "social networks are clearly the future". [grin] Second, the more subtle point is that all the talk about social networking technology seems (to me) like snake oil. The reason it seems like snake oil is because I don't think anything seriously novel is showing up because of these tools. Humans are (and always have been as far as I can tell) fundamentally social animals. Our entire identity is defined from without via social imprinting that happens and is reinforced throughout our lives. Hence, it's not the case that social networks are the future _except_ in so far as _all_ technology has always been and always will be social because we (the ones who created the technology) are social. That renders the phrase "social networking technology" moot. Further hence, facebook, myspace, Reed's Law, small worlds, etc. are all just different fossils left behind by our inherently social behavior. If this skeptical interpretation is true, the question becomes: What do these (new) techniques provide us that is any different from other (older) techniques? I.e. what does LinkedIn allow an individual to do that, say, persistent participation in conferences and public events fails to do? My answer to the question is: LinkedIn allows an individual to _believe_ they're part of a professional network when in reality they are NOT part of such a network. Or a softer version of that would be that tools like this _distort_ one's concept of the professional (or any type of) network in which they sit. So, going all the way to the end, devices like MySpace are analogous to religion. They allow us to bootstrap beyond the potentially debilitating initial skepticism and just jump straight to the delusional behavior. For example, a 16 year old girl arranging to meet what she thinks is a 16 year old boy. And carrying it just a bit further, these tools are most useful to people who are comfortable (and probably familiar) with using and abusing _other_ people's tendencies toward delusion. Politicians come to mind as exemplar professional delusion-manipulators. Michael Orshan wrote: > I'm using Facebook and Linkedin for many purposes. Cleary, social networks > are the future for many reasons. Trade, relationships, causes, etc. > Facebook is currently the fastest growing public social network, and Myspace > is the largest by far. Linkedin is mostly for business and is trying to > compete with the others. Social networking is becoming the key for Internet > traffic growth in advertising, your causes or to create your social site. > > They all allow 3rd party widgets, but you need to stay on the site. This > creates a specialized third party application. Maybe with a little > database. > > They are wonderful because they bring people with "like" minds together. If > you think of eBay, people trade without knowing each other and their biz > model is beginning to show rust. It is slowing down. Social network trade > will probably take over. In fact, this FRIAM group should be operating in > a social network and these threads would be preserved for future readers. > If this is interest in this, I'll build one. - -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. -- H. L. Mencken -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGyfbEZeB+vOTnLkoRAoufAJ9eE6cO36XxNu1zcF4ZaAMDaK6UsQCfSi5O gqQuppdVz6Ph4MGsLquoEWo= =k5J1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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