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Nick Thompson

Hi, everybody,

 

Many of you will recall that a representative of Ting Internet visited with “the local chapter” last Friday, hosted by my friend Sean Moody, who works for the City.  Ting is a Canadian business whose business model includes bringing fiber to cities like Santa Fe.  I asked Sean to get back to us, and his report appears below. 

 

If I understand correctly, the crucial issue seems to be whether enough of our fellow citizens are sufficiently fed up with our current service to make a switch.  I may have mis-heard, but I thought I heard you guys bandying around a number like $50/mo. With   I am certainly in at that price.  Does any of you remember that conversation?

 

See below,

 

Nick

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: MOODY, SEAN [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2016 3:18 PM
To: Nick Thompson <[hidden email]>
Subject: Ting Internet

 

Hi Nick,

Please share with FRIAM:

 

Thanks to everyone for the collegial reception. The visit was quite successful. I think Adam got a sufficient taste of Santa Fe to help Ting make a decision. And I got enough insight into their business model to understand what the city would need to do to rank high on their list of prospective locations. The two factors driving an investment decision are the capital expense per service drop, which typically ranges between $2,000 and $8,000 depending on local conditions, and the expected “take rate”, or ratio of subscribers-to-drops along a street or fiber segment, which ranges between 8% and 40% depending on the community’s level of satisfaction with current providers.

Our next challenge is to prove to Ting that the take rate will be sufficient, and to provide the regulatory environment that will keep utility construction costs under control.

I was extremely impressed by this particular company. Fundamental to their thinking is the reproducibility of their model across many different urban environments. Hence their taking the time to understand Santa Fe. I honestly think they've got a page or two on Google Fiber in this regard.

 

Lastly, you FRIAM folks may appreciate the graphic below. It illustrates the correlation between broadband speed and household income. The report from which it is extracted is one of the few I have encountered approaching the issue objectively.

 

Sean

 

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Re: Ting Internet

Barry MacKichan

What I remember is what is on their web site: $89 for home, $139 for business. The $50 was mentioned as the difference. It sounds like I had the highest download speed in the group currently, 80mb/s, but still I am willing to commit to switching to Ting. In fact, I’d commit to the business rate. It would give me 12 times the download speed and 58 times the upload speed, but mostly it would give us much more reliable service.

--Barry

On 3 Mar 2016, at 16:09, Nick Thompson wrote:

Hi, everybody,

Many of you will recall that a representative of Ting Internet visited with
"the local chapter" last Friday, hosted by my friend Sean Moody, who works
for the City. Ting is a Canadian business whose business model includes
bringing fiber to cities like Santa Fe. I asked Sean to get back to us, and
his report appears below.

If I understand correctly, the crucial issue seems to be whether enough of
our fellow citizens are sufficiently fed up with our current service to make
a switch. I may have mis-heard, but I thought I heard you guys bandying
around a number like $50/mo. With I am certainly in at that price. Does
any of you remember that conversation?

See below,

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: MOODY, SEAN [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2016 3:18 PM
To: Nick Thompson [hidden email]
Subject: Ting Internet

Hi Nick,

Please share with FRIAM:

Thanks to everyone for the collegial reception. The visit was quite
successful. I think Adam got a sufficient taste of Santa Fe to help
https://ting.com/internet Ting make a decision. And I got enough insight
into their business model to understand what the city would need to do to
rank high on their list of prospective locations. The two factors driving an
investment decision are the capital expense per service drop, which
typically ranges between $2,000 and $8,000 depending on local conditions,
and the expected "take rate", or ratio of subscribers-to-drops along a
street or fiber segment, which ranges between 8% and 40% depending on the
community's level of satisfaction with current providers.

Our next challenge is to prove to Ting that the take rate will be
sufficient, and to provide the regulatory environment that will keep utility
construction costs under control.

I was extremely impressed by this particular company. Fundamental to their
thinking is the reproducibility of their model across many different urban
environments. Hence their taking the time to understand Santa Fe. I honestly
think they've got a page or two on Google Fiber in this regard.

Lastly, you FRIAM folks may appreciate the graphic below. It illustrates the
correlation between broadband speed and household income. The report
http://hugin.info/1061/R/1729555/577891.pdf from which it is extracted is
one of the few I have encountered approaching the issue objectively.

Sean

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Re: Ting Internet

Gary Schiltz-4
I don't blame folks for lamenting the sad state of internet in Santa Fe, nor in the rest of the USA. On the other hand, down here in Ecuador, I'd be ecstatic to get 5mbps down for under $100. I understand that given a connection to fiber, the unshared bandwidth itself costs $120 mbps/month. The small ISP that I get my connection through buys 17 mb/s per month via fiber and divides it up among roughly 80 customers, capped at about 2 mb/s each. If everyone is maxing out their connection (worst case), they get 17/80 mbps, or about 250 kbps. It's usually better than that, but it often is that bad. The ISP pays $120*17=$2040 per month for the raw bandwidth, and if each of his clients pays their $35 every month, he makes roughly $800 for the month (but then, there are a lot of deadbeats). Good thing he also has a cybercafe, keeps bees and sells honey...

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Barry MacKichan <[hidden email]> wrote:

What I remember is what is on their web site: $89 for home, $139 for business. The $50 was mentioned as the difference. It sounds like I had the highest download speed in the group currently, 80mb/s, but still I am willing to commit to switching to Ting. In fact, I’d commit to the business rate. It would give me 12 times the download speed and 58 times the upload speed, but mostly it would give us much more reliable service.

--Barry


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FW: Ting Internet

Nick Thompson
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Hi, Everybody,

 

My $50. Dollar number was way off the mark.  Please read below. 

 

Sorry,

 

Nick

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: MOODY, SEAN [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 9:33 AM
To: Nick Thompson <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: Ting Internet

 

Ting’s pricing is shown here: $89/month residential gigabit service and $139/month business gigabit service. Thanks Nick! Sean.

 

From: Nick Thompson [[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2016 4:10 PM
To: friam <[hidden email]>
Subject: FW: Ting Internet

 

Hi, everybody,

 

Many of you will recall that a representative of Ting Internet visited with “the local chapter” last Friday, hosted by my friend Sean Moody, who works for the City.  Ting is a Canadian business whose business model includes bringing fiber to cities like Santa Fe.  I asked Sean to get back to us, and his report appears below. 

 

If I understand correctly, the crucial issue seems to be whether enough of our fellow citizens are sufficiently fed up with our current service to make a switch.  I may have mis-heard, but I thought I heard you guys bandying around a number like $50/mo. With   I am certainly in at that price.  Does any of you remember that conversation?

 

See below,

 

Nick

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: MOODY, SEAN [[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2016 3:18 PM
To: Nick Thompson <[hidden email]>
Subject: Ting Internet

 

Hi Nick,

Please share with FRIAM:

 

Thanks to everyone for the collegial reception. The visit was quite successful. I think Adam got a sufficient taste of Santa Fe to help Ting make a decision. And I got enough insight into their business model to understand what the city would need to do to rank high on their list of prospective locations. The two factors driving an investment decision are the capital expense per service drop, which typically ranges between $2,000 and $8,000 depending on local conditions, and the expected “take rate”, or ratio of subscribers-to-drops along a street or fiber segment, which ranges between 8% and 40% depending on the community’s level of satisfaction with current providers.

Our next challenge is to prove to Ting that the take rate will be sufficient, and to provide the regulatory environment that will keep utility construction costs under control.

I was extremely impressed by this particular company. Fundamental to their thinking is the reproducibility of their model across many different urban environments. Hence their taking the time to understand Santa Fe. I honestly think they've got a page or two on Google Fiber in this regard.

 

Lastly, you FRIAM folks may appreciate the graphic below. It illustrates the correlation between broadband speed and household income. The report from which it is extracted is one of the few I have encountered approaching the issue objectively.

 

Sean

 

cid:image001.jpg@01D17467.5F1A7D00

 


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Re: FW: Ting Internet

Gillian Densmore
Hi Nick!
I would LOVE to have more options!

Right now I have DSL. It's peppy for DSL. As importantly it's reliable.
I had Comcast(also known as Cox on the West coast) for about 6Months. It simply wasn't reliable so I swiched back to CyberMesa who are.



On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi, Everybody,

 

My $50. Dollar number was way off the mark.  Please read below. 

 

Sorry,

 

Nick

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: MOODY, SEAN [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 9:33 AM
To: Nick Thompson <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: Ting Internet

 

Ting’s pricing is shown here: $89/month residential gigabit service and $139/month business gigabit service. Thanks Nick! Sean.

 

From: Nick Thompson [[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2016 4:10 PM
To: friam <[hidden email]>
Subject: FW: Ting Internet

 

Hi, everybody,

 

Many of you will recall that a representative of Ting Internet visited with “the local chapter” last Friday, hosted by my friend Sean Moody, who works for the City.  Ting is a Canadian business whose business model includes bringing fiber to cities like Santa Fe.  I asked Sean to get back to us, and his report appears below. 

 

If I understand correctly, the crucial issue seems to be whether enough of our fellow citizens are sufficiently fed up with our current service to make a switch.  I may have mis-heard, but I thought I heard you guys bandying around a number like $50/mo. With   I am certainly in at that price.  Does any of you remember that conversation?

 

See below,

 

Nick

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: MOODY, SEAN [[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2016 3:18 PM
To: Nick Thompson <[hidden email]>
Subject: Ting Internet

 

Hi Nick,

Please share with FRIAM:

 

Thanks to everyone for the collegial reception. The visit was quite successful. I think Adam got a sufficient taste of Santa Fe to help Ting make a decision. And I got enough insight into their business model to understand what the city would need to do to rank high on their list of prospective locations. The two factors driving an investment decision are the capital expense per service drop, which typically ranges between $2,000 and $8,000 depending on local conditions, and the expected “take rate”, or ratio of subscribers-to-drops along a street or fiber segment, which ranges between 8% and 40% depending on the community’s level of satisfaction with current providers.

Our next challenge is to prove to Ting that the take rate will be sufficient, and to provide the regulatory environment that will keep utility construction costs under control.

I was extremely impressed by this particular company. Fundamental to their thinking is the reproducibility of their model across many different urban environments. Hence their taking the time to understand Santa Fe. I honestly think they've got a page or two on Google Fiber in this regard.

 

Lastly, you FRIAM folks may appreciate the graphic below. It illustrates the correlation between broadband speed and household income. The report from which it is extracted is one of the few I have encountered approaching the issue objectively.

 

Sean

 

cid:image001.jpg@01D17467.5F1A7D00

 


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