FRIAM Archive

[Gary Schiltz-4]

Is the FRIAM list being archived anywhere? I seem to remember that it isn't working anymore, but someone (Glen?) said they still have the majority of messages. It would be a real shame to lose it.

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[gepr]

I have a copy of every message I've received for several years, now.  That's not saying what I have is complete, though.  The server used to skip some messages.  I haven't seen any evidence that it's skipped any recently, though.

On 11/4/18 4:27 PM, Gary Schiltz wrote:
> Is the FRIAM list being archived anywhere? I seem to remember that it isn't working anymore, but someone (Glen?) said they still have the majority of messages. It would be a real shame to lose it.


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[Gary Schiltz-4]

If (ok, big IF) someone were to volunteer to put out the effort to try to restore previous messages to an archive accessible to everyone on the list, and to ensure that future messages automatically ended up there, what would be the group consensus on what platform would be best? I believe FRIAM was always kept archived by Mailman/Pipermail, so I suppose that would be the logical choice. Any other candidates?

On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 10:12 AM ∄ uǝʃƃ <[hidden email]> wrote:

I have a copy of every message I've received for several years, now.  That's not saying what I have is complete, though.  The server used to skip some messages.  I haven't seen any evidence that it's skipped any recently, though.

On 11/4/18 4:27 PM, Gary Schiltz wrote:
> Is the FRIAM list being archived anywhere? I seem to remember that it isn't working anymore, but someone (Glen?) said they still have the majority of messages. It would be a real shame to lose it.


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[gepr]

It seems like the best option is for the list maintainer (I don't know who that is) to check to see if the archives are still being *made*, but perhaps the indexer has stopped working.  If that's the case, then the problem with the current mailman archive would be solved by simply re-indexing.  It might even be something simpler like the web server not aiming /pipermail to the right place.  

If the maintainer says the archives are actually gone, then it seems like there's a clear workflow for importing an mbox file into mailman archive.  So, that might be relatively easy for me to do.  However, I just checked and although I have messages from as far back and 2008, I'm missing *all* of 2011 for some reason.  I may have lost it when I switched from SparkleShare to MEGA. I could also just place what I have now on IPFS or seed a torrent file or somesuch.  I probably should just delete it given the number of times I've embarrassed myself on the list. 8^)

On 11/6/18 7:11 AM, Gary Schiltz wrote:
> If (ok, big IF) someone were to volunteer to put out the effort to try to restore previous messages to an archive accessible to everyone on the list, and to ensure that future messages automatically ended up there, what would be the group consensus on what platform would be best? I believe FRIAM was always kept archived by Mailman/Pipermail, so I suppose that would be the logical choice. Any other candidates?
>
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 10:12 AM ∄ uǝʃƃ <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     I have a copy of every message I've received for several years, now.  That's not saying what I have is complete, though.  The server used to skip some messages.  I haven't seen any evidence that it's skipped any recently, though.
>
>     On 11/4/18 4:27 PM, Gary Schiltz wrote:
>     > Is the FRIAM list being archived anywhere? I seem to remember that it isn't working anymore, but someone (Glen?) said they still have the majority of messages. It would be a real shame to lose it.


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[Steve Smith]

It might be a good time for someone to volunteer to take over list
maintenance?  RedFish&Co (in the persons of Guerin and Densmore) take on
a *lot* of hidden responsibilities to this community.  

I don't know who here might feel willing/able to pick up the
responsibility for managing the lists (and Archives, and Indices of
Archives, and ???) but it sounds like Glen can help re-seed the archives
with *most of* 2008-present sans 2011?    

I think my own easily accessible archives go back only to 2011 so I
might be able to provide some or all of 2011... not sure... and I HAVE
been occasionally lazy about what I delete (usually *only* that which is
clearly spam/junk) so even FriAM Archives might be spotty in my case.

- Steve


On 11/6/18 9:34 AM, ∄ uǝʃƃ wrote:

> It seems like the best option is for the list maintainer (I don't know who that is) to check to see if the archives are still being *made*, but perhaps the indexer has stopped working.  If that's the case, then the problem with the current mailman archive would be solved by simply re-indexing.  It might even be something simpler like the web server not aiming /pipermail to the right place.  
>
> If the maintainer says the archives are actually gone, then it seems like there's a clear workflow for importing an mbox file into mailman archive.  So, that might be relatively easy for me to do.  However, I just checked and although I have messages from as far back and 2008, I'm missing *all* of 2011 for some reason.  I may have lost it when I switched from SparkleShare to MEGA. I could also just place what I have now on IPFS or seed a torrent file or somesuch.  I probably should just delete it given the number of times I've embarrassed myself on the list. 8^)
>
> On 11/6/18 7:11 AM, Gary Schiltz wrote:
>> If (ok, big IF) someone were to volunteer to put out the effort to try to restore previous messages to an archive accessible to everyone on the list, and to ensure that future messages automatically ended up there, what would be the group consensus on what platform would be best? I believe FRIAM was always kept archived by Mailman/Pipermail, so I suppose that would be the logical choice. Any other candidates?
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 10:12 AM ∄ uǝʃƃ <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>>     I have a copy of every message I've received for several years, now.  That's not saying what I have is complete, though.  The server used to skip some messages.  I haven't seen any evidence that it's skipped any recently, though.
>>
>>     On 11/4/18 4:27 PM, Gary Schiltz wrote:
>>     > Is the FRIAM list being archived anywhere? I seem to remember that it isn't working anymore, but someone (Glen?) said they still have the majority of messages. It would be a real shame to lose it.
>

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[Stephen Guerin]

I'll do a checkin with the hosting company to see about the archives on Mailman. As uǝʃƃ says it could just be a path issue on the index page. Was back and forth to Oklahoma City yesterday. 1100 miles in 24 hours :-)

-S

On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 9:34 AM ∄ uǝʃƃ <[hidden email]> wrote:

It seems like the best option is for the list maintainer (I don't know who that is) to check to see if the archives are still being *made*, but perhaps the indexer has stopped working.  If that's the case, then the problem with the current mailman archive would be solved by simply re-indexing.  It might even be something simpler like the web server not aiming /pipermail to the right place. 

If the maintainer says the archives are actually gone, then it seems like there's a clear workflow for importing an mbox file into mailman archive.  So, that might be relatively easy for me to do.  However, I just checked and although I have messages from as far back and 2008, I'm missing *all* of 2011 for some reason.  I may have lost it when I switched from SparkleShare to MEGA. I could also just place what I have now on IPFS or seed a torrent file or somesuch.  I probably should just delete it given the number of times I've embarrassed myself on the list. 8^)

On 11/6/18 7:11 AM, Gary Schiltz wrote:
> If (ok, big IF) someone were to volunteer to put out the effort to try to restore previous messages to an archive accessible to everyone on the list, and to ensure that future messages automatically ended up there, what would be the group consensus on what platform would be best? I believe FRIAM was always kept archived by Mailman/Pipermail, so I suppose that would be the logical choice. Any other candidates?
>
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 10:12 AM ∄ uǝʃƃ <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     I have a copy of every message I've received for several years, now.  That's not saying what I have is complete, though.  The server used to skip some messages.  I haven't seen any evidence that it's skipped any recently, though.
>
>     On 11/4/18 4:27 PM, Gary Schiltz wrote:
>     > Is the FRIAM list being archived anywhere? I seem to remember that it isn't working anymore, but someone (Glen?) said they still have the majority of messages. It would be a real shame to lose it.


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[Stephen Guerin]

While I wait for a response from hosting company, I remember some discussion on other archiving back 5 years ago. Owen set up a Gmane (no defunct?) and Nabble archive:
  http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/

On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 12:52 PM Stephen Guerin <[hidden email]> wrote:

I'll do a checkin with the hosting company to see about the archives on Mailman. As uǝʃƃ says it could just be a path issue on the index page. Was back and forth to Oklahoma City yesterday. 1100 miles in 24 hours :-)

-S

On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 9:34 AM ∄ uǝʃƃ <[hidden email]> wrote:

It seems like the best option is for the list maintainer (I don't know who that is) to check to see if the archives are still being *made*, but perhaps the indexer has stopped working.  If that's the case, then the problem with the current mailman archive would be solved by simply re-indexing.  It might even be something simpler like the web server not aiming /pipermail to the right place. 

If the maintainer says the archives are actually gone, then it seems like there's a clear workflow for importing an mbox file into mailman archive.  So, that might be relatively easy for me to do.  However, I just checked and although I have messages from as far back and 2008, I'm missing *all* of 2011 for some reason.  I may have lost it when I switched from SparkleShare to MEGA. I could also just place what I have now on IPFS or seed a torrent file or somesuch.  I probably should just delete it given the number of times I've embarrassed myself on the list. 8^)

On 11/6/18 7:11 AM, Gary Schiltz wrote:
> If (ok, big IF) someone were to volunteer to put out the effort to try to restore previous messages to an archive accessible to everyone on the list, and to ensure that future messages automatically ended up there, what would be the group consensus on what platform would be best? I believe FRIAM was always kept archived by Mailman/Pipermail, so I suppose that would be the logical choice. Any other candidates?
>
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 10:12 AM ∄ uǝʃƃ <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     I have a copy of every message I've received for several years, now.  That's not saying what I have is complete, though.  The server used to skip some messages.  I haven't seen any evidence that it's skipped any recently, though.
>
>     On 11/4/18 4:27 PM, Gary Schiltz wrote:
>     > Is the FRIAM list being archived anywhere? I seem to remember that it isn't working anymore, but someone (Glen?) said they still have the majority of messages. It would be a real shame to lose it.


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