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Citizens must be serially monogamous - but visitors would not be charged
with bigamy/polygamy. There is a LOT of "don't ask, don't tell" look the other way, unless you try to collect government benefits of some sort. davew On Sat, Oct 6, 2012, at 11:54 AM, Sarbajit Roy wrote: > From what I can make out, the Mormons in Utah agreed to > give up polygamy so that Utah could become a State of the > Union. > > However, your Constitution apparently guarantees the First > Amendment Right to freely practice any religion. With religions > like Islam specifically permitting polygamy, how are your courts > dealing with it. > > http://www.law.emory.edu/ifl/cases/USA.htm > > On 10/6/12, Prof David West <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Small nit --- > > > > On Sat, Oct 6, 2012, at 12:29 AM, Sarbajit Roy wrote: > > > >> Apparently the LDS / Mormons use the same method. > > > > You are correct only in the case of "fundamentalist" offshoots - like > > Warren Jeffs and his FLDS church where plural marriage was used as a > > kind of social control and propagation of the leader's genes. All of > > these groups have been excommunicated from the mainstream church. > > > > With the individual exceptions (including perhaps the founder of the > > church) the practice of polygamy in Utah - before it was outlawed - was > > centered around social welfare - a very large surplus of elderly women, > > past child bearing years, with no means of supporting themselves. > > > > I received a grant about fifteen years ago and did an ethnography of > > contemporary plural marriages in the Western U.S. - about a third of > > them had no association/affiliation with Mormonism. With the exception > > of the fundamentalist breakaways - plural marriage seems to have very > > little to do with either religion or sex - it is first and foremost and > > economic institution - and a source of significant wealth. This is > > probably not true in cultures where women are sequestered and > > restricted, i.e. cannot be engines of economic gain. > > > > davew > > > > > >> ============================================================ > >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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I am not a Hispanic New Mexican but my maternal grandmother was. I did live
with those grandparents in a small Hispanic village in New Mexico for the first two years of my life and spent summers with them until I was a university student. In any case, I haven't said anything about the presidential race on the Friam list. I was in Pecos yesterday; it is more Hispanic than Santa Fe, I believe. Whereas you see more signs for Obama and Democrats in Santa Fe, you see relatively more Republican-supporting signs in Pecos. Somehow Republicans have been able to persuade many less affluent people that they serve their interests. I suppose this is based on "family values" type arguments or by pandering to religious fundamentalism. Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz Santa Fe, NM 87505 [hidden email] [hidden email] Phone: (505) 995-8715 Cell: (505) 670-9918 -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Sarbajit Roy Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 12:29 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Expanding the Debate 1) I am a "pure" ("acharya") Brahmin. This means that we marry endogamously to ensure that chromosomes like Genghis Khan's do not enter our genetic code,. 2) Previously we followed our own variation of Genghis Khan genetic propagation by the practice of "Kulinism". This allows a dominant gene (initially small in numbers) to stamp itself on a "lower" population using hierarchial polygamy. Islam has the same concept. Apparently the LDS / Mormons use the same method. My faith was instrumental in eradicating this pernicious practice from India. http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54026798-78/lds-religious-church-largest.h tml.csp http://www.ambedkar.org/books/dob9.htm 3) It seems that just under half of New Mexico's pop. is Hispanic/Latino. Isn't it a pity their POVs on Prez elections / US democracy aren't heard on FRIAM, as they have been ignored since the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo and Articles IX and XI therein On 10/6/12, Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote: > Sarbajit - >> Only 1 in 200 men are descended from Genghis Khan. >> http://www.cell.com/AJHG/retrieve/pii/S0002929707605874 > OK... so I was being hyperbolic... the point is that you (and I) are > more likely (statistically) to be descended from Gangly Khan than evil > Kingly John... unless of course, I become President in which case all > bets are off. > > I am not. > > You've verified that? I haven't a clue for myself. > > ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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No! Politicians pandering to religious fundamentalism?! When did that start?
--Doug
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:
I am not a Hispanic New Mexican but my maternal grandmother was. I did live ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Mann and Ornstein suggest mandatory voting would improve the process by
reducing the incentive to cater to minorities with strongly held beliefs. Joe On 10/8/12 10:09 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > I am not a Hispanic New Mexican but my maternal grandmother was. I did live > with those grandparents in a small Hispanic village in New Mexico for the > first two years of my life and spent summers with them until I was a > university student. In any case, I haven't said anything about the > presidential race on the Friam list. I was in Pecos yesterday; it is more > Hispanic than Santa Fe, I believe. Whereas you see more signs for Obama and > Democrats in Santa Fe, you see relatively more Republican-supporting signs > in Pecos. Somehow Republicans have been able to persuade many less affluent > people that they serve their interests. I suppose this is based on "family > values" type arguments or by pandering to religious fundamentalism. > > > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > [hidden email] [hidden email] > Phone: (505) 995-8715 Cell: (505) 670-9918 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf > Of Sarbajit Roy > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 12:29 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Expanding the Debate > > 1) I am a "pure" ("acharya") Brahmin. This means that we marry endogamously > to ensure that chromosomes like Genghis Khan's do not enter our genetic > code,. > > 2) Previously we followed our own variation of Genghis Khan genetic > propagation by the practice of "Kulinism". This allows a dominant gene > (initially small in numbers) to stamp itself on a "lower" population using > hierarchial polygamy. Islam has the same concept. Apparently the LDS / > Mormons use the same method. My faith was instrumental in eradicating this > pernicious practice from India. > > http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54026798-78/lds-religious-church-largest.h > tml.csp > http://www.ambedkar.org/books/dob9.htm > > 3) It seems that just under half of New Mexico's pop. is Hispanic/Latino. > Isn't it a pity their POVs on Prez elections / US democracy aren't heard on > FRIAM, as they have been ignored since the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo and > Articles IX and XI therein > > On 10/6/12, Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote: >> Sarbajit - >>> Only 1 in 200 men are descended from Genghis Khan. >>> http://www.cell.com/AJHG/retrieve/pii/S0002929707605874 >> OK... so I was being hyperbolic... the point is that you (and I) are >> more likely (statistically) to be descended from Gangly Khan than evil >> Kingly John... unless of course, I become President in which case all >> bets are off. >> >> I am not. >> >> You've verified that? I haven't a clue for myself. >> >> > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, > unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > -- "Sunlight is the best disinfectant." -- Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis, 1913. ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Here is some information that is more objective than my impressions:
Pecos, NM is 80.08% Hispanic. Of those who vote 75.95% are Democrats and 21.04% are Republican while 3.02% are independent. The population in 2000 was 1,441. Santa Fe's corresponding numbers are 71.99% Democratic, 24.01% Republican and 4% independent. In 2010 the population was 67,947 of whom 48.7% were Hispanic. I guess Republicans are more likely to put up signs in Pecos. Either that or my perceptions are biased. The only Pecos resident that I know who posts on the Friam list is Gary Schiltz but then he moved to Ecuador a couple of years ago. He is not Hispanic. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz Santa Fe, NM 87505 [hidden email] [hidden email] Phone: (505) 995-8715 Cell: (505) 670-9918 -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Joseph Spinden Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 10:34 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Expanding the Debate Mann and Ornstein suggest mandatory voting would improve the process by reducing the incentive to cater to minorities with strongly held beliefs. Joe On 10/8/12 10:09 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > I am not a Hispanic New Mexican but my maternal grandmother was. I > did live with those grandparents in a small Hispanic village in New > Mexico for the first two years of my life and spent summers with them > until I was a university student. In any case, I haven't said > anything about the presidential race on the Friam list. I was in > Pecos yesterday; it is more Hispanic than Santa Fe, I believe. > Whereas you see more signs for Obama and Democrats in Santa Fe, you > see relatively more Republican-supporting signs in Pecos. Somehow > Republicans have been able to persuade many less affluent people that > they serve their interests. I suppose this is based on "family values" > > > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > [hidden email] [hidden email] > Phone: (505) 995-8715 Cell: (505) 670-9918 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On > Behalf Of Sarbajit Roy > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 12:29 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Expanding the Debate > > 1) I am a "pure" ("acharya") Brahmin. This means that we marry > endogamously to ensure that chromosomes like Genghis Khan's do not > enter our genetic code,. > > 2) Previously we followed our own variation of Genghis Khan genetic > propagation by the practice of "Kulinism". This allows a dominant gene > (initially small in numbers) to stamp itself on a "lower" population > using hierarchial polygamy. Islam has the same concept. Apparently the > LDS / Mormons use the same method. My faith was instrumental in > eradicating this pernicious practice from India. > > http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54026798-78/lds-religious-church-lar > gest.h > tml.csp > http://www.ambedkar.org/books/dob9.htm > > 3) It seems that just under half of New Mexico's pop. is Hispanic/Latino. > Isn't it a pity their POVs on Prez elections / US democracy aren't > heard on FRIAM, as they have been ignored since the Treaty of > Guadalupe Hidalgo and Articles IX and XI therein > > On 10/6/12, Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote: >> Sarbajit - >>> Only 1 in 200 men are descended from Genghis Khan. >>> http://www.cell.com/AJHG/retrieve/pii/S0002929707605874 >> OK... so I was being hyperbolic... the point is that you (and I) are >> more likely (statistically) to be descended from Gangly Khan than >> evil Kingly John... unless of course, I become President in which >> case all bets are off. >> >> I am not. >> >> You've verified that? I haven't a clue for myself. >> >> > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe > at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at > http://www.friam.org > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe > at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at > http://www.friam.org > -- "Sunlight is the best disinfectant." -- Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis, 1913. ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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