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Nick Thompson

Exemplars of Complexity [WAS:"quiintessence...thinking"]

Sorry, but my search for provocative exemplars of complexity to share with
some folks not in the complexity-science tradition has already spun out of
control.

Could people send me exemplars, or tell me where to find them.

Thanks.

NIck

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> 1. Re: [1st-mile-nm] Kicking the Internet up a notch
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> 2. Tiobe Programming Language Index (Owen Densmore)
> 3. Re: Tiobe Programming Language Index (Russell Standish)
> 4. Re: Tiobe Programming Language Index (Marcus G. Daniels)
> 5. The quintessence of complexity thinking (Nicholas Thompson)
> 6. Re: The quintessence of complexity thinking (glen e. p. ropella)
> 7. Re: The quintessence of complexity thinking (Phil Henshaw)
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> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:58:31 -0600
> From: David Breecker <david at breeckerassociates.com>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [1st-mile-nm] Kicking the Internet up a notch
> To: Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net>
> Cc: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
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> Back to Tom's original question: I'd like to propose that National
> Lambda Rail, NM Lambda Rail, the NMCAC, the 1st Mile Institute, and
> the Governor's Science and Technology Advisor would be an appropriate
> ad hoc task force to see if and how The Grid could reach us here.
>
> If that makes sense, I'll volunteer for service. Thoughts?
> db
>
> dba | David Breecker Associates, Inc.
> Santa Fe: 505-690-2335
> Abiquiu: 505-685-4891
> www.BreeckerAssociates.com
>
>
>
> On Apr 6, 2008, at 8:56 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>
> > Finally! This is a good intro to what Don and I have been working on
> > the last couple of weeks. The network is the computer .. wait .. Sun?
> >
> > Here's step one, the cloud:
> > http://www.joyent.com/accelerator
> > Basically we're tracing the newest "hosting" technologies, and believe
> > me, they are changing at light speed.
> >
> > Cloud computing is a brilliant combination of hardware/server
> > advancement .. where small fractions of a "blade" can have its own IP
> > address, to software that "virtualizes" these fractions into dozens of
> > "sites". And when I say "virtualize", I DEFINITELY do NOT mean VMWare
> > or Parallels. I mean a fascinating combination of DNS stunts with
> > name-based sub-servers on every "site". And yes, these services offer
> > clustered systems so you can go from a fraction of a server to
> > multiple servers.
> >
> > Basically Torrents are going to replace streams, and Virtual Servers
> > are going to replace hosting services as we once knew them. Currently
> > the torrent part is weakest, but we believe we'll see "torrent url's"
> > soon .. stunts where the torrent technology will not be limited to
> > file sharing, but will be a "transport" for any layer in the Internet.
> >
> > To be specific, Don and I have an architecture for hosting that
> > includes two "computers" .. one the typical shared hosting service ..
> > but with GREAT programmer oriented services, an the other a dedicated
> > fraction of a "blade" (with root access).. which bursts up to the full
> > blade, or can advance to clustered.
> >
> > Managing this is a "DNS Management Service" .. yet another web hosting
> > service that lets some of the requests for our domain go to the shared
> > system, and others to the shared .. i.e. a form of load balancing.
> > And for storage, the service has a Network Storage System (Joyent
> > Bingo Disks) that is completely scalable, and on a 100Mb pipe. All
> > facilities interoperable.
> >
> > Managing all this is a fantastic web based administration package
> > called Virtualmin .. virtual computing administration. And we can
> > move our Virtualmin system from Joyent to Amazon (S3/EC2) in a day,
> > with Virtualmin's migration facilities.
> >
> > Its not your father's internet any more!
> >
> > See these:
> > http://www.joyent.com/
> > http://www.virtualmin.com/
> > https://www.dnsmadeeasy.com/
> >
> > So Tom, the answer to:
> >> Let's see now: what are the odds we in New Mexico -- hell, in the
> >> U.S. --
> >> will ever see a fraction of this in our home?
> > .. is very high if we in The Complex decide to work on this. The
> > pieces are in place.
> >
> > -- Owen
> >
> >
> > On Apr 6, 2008, at 8:33 PM, Tom Johnson wrote:
> >
> >> Let's see now: what are the odds we in New Mexico -- hell, in the
> >> U.S. --
> >> will ever see a fraction of this in our home?
> >>
> >>

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article3689881.ece?print=ye
s&randnum=1207538948023---

> >>
> >> -- tj
> >>
> >> ==========================================
> >> J. T. Johnson
> >> Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA
> >> www.analyticjournalism.com
> >> 505.577.6482(c) 505.473.9646(h)
> >> http://www.jtjohnson.com tom at jtjohnson.com
> >>
> >> "You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
> >> To change something, build a new model that makes the
> >> existing model obsolete."
> >> -- Buckminster Fuller
> >> ==========================================
> >> ============================================================
> >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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> From: Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net>
> Subject: [FRIAM] Tiobe Programming Language Index
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
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> Always fun to see the programming language index now and again:
> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
>
> Amazing to see VB is up 3.5%, while C++ is down .8% and Python is
> moving up .7% .. and the big surprise for me with AJAX being such a
> Big Thing is Javascript down quite a bit.
>
> Nice to see D doing well, still in the top 20, and actually at number
> 12 already.
>
> Naturally, Java is still number 1, at 20.5%, up 2.17% over the year.
>
> -- Owen
>
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:31:28 +1000
> From: Russell Standish <r.standish at unsw.edu.au>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Tiobe Programming Language Index
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com>
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> Looks like VB and PHP have overtaken C++ in third spot. But these
> languages aren't really competitors of C++, which are really C#, Java
> and to a certain extent C.
>
> D will probably be my next language, but it will probably need to get
> way more popular before I make a switch to it :)
>
> On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 09:25:39PM -0600, Owen Densmore wrote:
> > Always fun to see the programming language index now and again:
> > http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
> >
> > Amazing to see VB is up 3.5%, while C++ is down .8% and Python is
> > moving up .7% .. and the big surprise for me with AJAX being such a
> > Big Thing is Javascript down quite a bit.
> >
> > Nice to see D doing well, still in the top 20, and actually at number
> > 12 already.
> >
> > Naturally, Java is still number 1, at 20.5%, up 2.17% over the year.
> >
> > -- Owen
> >
> >
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>
> --
>
>

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> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:33:13 -0600
> From: "Marcus G. Daniels" <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Tiobe Programming Language Index
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
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> Owen Densmore wrote:
> > Naturally, Java is still number 1, at 20.5%, up 2.17% over the year.
> >
> But even Haskell has a better performance case.
>
> http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=all
>
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 00:31:38 -0600
> From: "Nicholas Thompson" <nickthompson at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [FRIAM] The quintessence of complexity thinking
> To: friam at redfish.com
> Cc: kitchen at lists.clarku.edu
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> All,
>
> Colleagues at my former institutution have asked me to provide a reading

or other ...... representation .... that can be consumed in less than an
hour that would give a sense of what it is "we" do in Friam, in Santa Fe,
etc. Hopefully not words ABOUT it but an example OF it, if you see what I
mean, but we might have to settle for words. If you had ONE SHOT at
turning a colleague into a complexitist, what would you do with him/her.
>
> Does FRIAM have some suggestions????
>
> A related question in my mind: if agent-based-models come closest to
capturing the essense of complexity thinking, WHY?
>
> Discuss. I will collect your responses and forward them on to
Worcester.
>
> Nick
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Research Associate, Redfish Group, Santa Fe, NM (nick at redfish.com)
> Professor of Psychology and Ethology, Clark University
(nthompson at clarku.edu)
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> From: "glen e. p. ropella" <gepr at tempusdictum.com>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The quintessence of complexity thinking
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> Nicholas Thompson wrote:
> > Colleagues at my former institutution have asked me to provide a
> > reading or other ...... representation .... that can be consumed in
> > less than an hour that would give a sense of what it is "we" do in
> > Friam, in Santa Fe, etc. Hopefully not words ABOUT it but an example
> > OF it, if you see what I mean, but we might have to settle for words.
> > If you had ONE SHOT at turning a colleague into a complexitist, what
> > would you do with him/her.
>
> I would probably sit down with them and play a couple tiling games, one
> periodic and one aperiodic. Or if that were infeasible, I'd probably
> set up some game-theoretic human-in-the-loop games.
>
> Anything involving collaborative (stigmergic) construction would be
> good, especially if it usually produces counter-intuitive results.
>
> > A related question in my mind: if agent-based-models come closest to
> > capturing the essense of complexity thinking, WHY?
>
> _If_ they do (and I'm not convinced they do with all the pitfalls of
> modeling and simulation in the way), it is exactly because of the
> potential for collaborative construction in ABSs. It's collaborative
> construction that provides the umbrella for things like stigmergy,
> scaffolding, co-evolution, implicit selection functions, dynamic
> landscapes, and relatively easy demonstrations of interesting
> generator-phenomena mappings.
>
> Of course, this focus on synthesis misses the other half of "complexity"
> to some extent, patterns and analysis. Finding an inverse map from
> phenomena to generator and the techniques involved is at least half of
> the domain. And in this, the construction (especially modeling and
> simulation) is just a cognitive aid. For the analysis half, ABM is NOT
> the best way to capture complexity. For that, I'd say studying fractals
> is the best way to get the point across. Cellular automata might be a
> close second.
>
> - --
> glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com
> Liberty is the only thing you can't have unless you give it to others.
> - -- William Allen White
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> Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:58:05 -0400
> From: "Phil Henshaw" <sy at synapse9.com>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The quintessence of complexity thinking
> To: <nickthompson at earthlink.net>, "'The Friday Morning Applied
> Complexity Coffee Group'" <friam at redfish.com>
> Cc: kitchen at lists.clarku.edu
> Message-ID: <005101c89988$f3de1900$db9a4b00$@com>
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> Well, it would be hard for me to draw the picture of what the local Santa

> FRIAM community 'does', but it's often that a complex system retains it's
> original concept and develops from that idea by addition and adjustment as
> it grew. It may have reached a stable form or have a stability only of
> wandering perhaps, and says a lot about it. Using that 'story form' is
> one good way to describe a complex system that gives people a well ordered
> ladder of both insights and open questions that they can then plug into as
> they like.
>
>
>
> Phil
>
>
>
> From: friam-bounces at redfish.com [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On

Behalf

> Of Nicholas Thompson
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:32 AM
> To: friam at redfish.com
> Cc: kitchen at lists.clarku.edu
> Subject: [FRIAM] The quintessence of complexity thinking
>
>
>
> All,
>
>
>
> Colleagues at my former institutution have asked me to provide a reading

> other ...... representation .... that can be consumed in less than an hour
> that would give a sense of what it is "we" do in Friam, in Santa Fe, etc.
> Hopefully not words ABOUT it but an example OF it, if you see what I mean,
> but we might have to settle for words. If you had ONE SHOT at turning a
> colleague into a complexitist, what would you do with him/her.
>
>
>
> Does FRIAM have some suggestions????
>
>
>
> A related question in my mind: if agent-based-models come closest to
> capturing the essense of complexity thinking, WHY?
>
>
>
> Discuss. I will collect your responses and forward them on to

Worcester.

>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Research Associate, Redfish Group, Santa Fe, NM (nick at redfish.com)
>
> Professor of Psychology and Ethology, Clark University
> (nthompson at clarku.edu)
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Russell Standish

Exemplars of Complexity [WAS:"quiintessence...thinking"]

Classics would have to be things like Game of Life (there are tons of
java applets out there implementing GoL).

Try VLAB http://vlab.infotech.monash.edu.au/ for a bunch of different
complexity models that have been turned into java applets.

Cheers

On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 10:46:27PM -0600, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

> Sorry, but my search for provocative exemplars of complexity to share with
> some folks not in the complexity-science tradition has already spun out of
> control.
>
> Could people send me exemplars, or tell me where to find them.
>
> Thanks.
>
> NIck
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: <friam-request at redfish.com>
> > To: <friam at redfish.com>
> > Date: 4/8/2008 10:00:23 AM
> > Subject: Friam Digest, Vol 58, Issue 7
> >
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> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Re: [1st-mile-nm] Kicking the Internet up a notch
> > (David Breecker)
> > 2. Tiobe Programming Language Index (Owen Densmore)
> > 3. Re: Tiobe Programming Language Index (Russell Standish)
> > 4. Re: Tiobe Programming Language Index (Marcus G. Daniels)
> > 5. The quintessence of complexity thinking (Nicholas Thompson)
> > 6. Re: The quintessence of complexity thinking (glen e. p. ropella)
> > 7. Re: The quintessence of complexity thinking (Phil Henshaw)
> >
> >
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:58:31 -0600
> > From: David Breecker <david at breeckerassociates.com>
> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [1st-mile-nm] Kicking the Internet up a notch
> > To: Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net>
> > Cc: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> > <friam at redfish.com>, 1st-Mile-NM <1st-mile-nm at mailman.dcn.org>
> > Message-ID:
> > <A70E6E71-63E9-4C8E-A58F-62F7D71888F2 at breeckerassociates.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Back to Tom's original question: I'd like to propose that National
> > Lambda Rail, NM Lambda Rail, the NMCAC, the 1st Mile Institute, and
> > the Governor's Science and Technology Advisor would be an appropriate
> > ad hoc task force to see if and how The Grid could reach us here.
> >
> > If that makes sense, I'll volunteer for service. Thoughts?
> > db
> >
> > dba | David Breecker Associates, Inc.
> > Santa Fe: 505-690-2335
> > Abiquiu: 505-685-4891
> > www.BreeckerAssociates.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On Apr 6, 2008, at 8:56 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
> >
> > > Finally! This is a good intro to what Don and I have been working on
> > > the last couple of weeks. The network is the computer .. wait .. Sun?
> > >
> > > Here's step one, the cloud:
> > > http://www.joyent.com/accelerator
> > > Basically we're tracing the newest "hosting" technologies, and believe
> > > me, they are changing at light speed.
> > >
> > > Cloud computing is a brilliant combination of hardware/server
> > > advancement .. where small fractions of a "blade" can have its own IP
> > > address, to software that "virtualizes" these fractions into dozens of
> > > "sites". And when I say "virtualize", I DEFINITELY do NOT mean VMWare
> > > or Parallels. I mean a fascinating combination of DNS stunts with
> > > name-based sub-servers on every "site". And yes, these services offer
> > > clustered systems so you can go from a fraction of a server to
> > > multiple servers.
> > >
> > > Basically Torrents are going to replace streams, and Virtual Servers
> > > are going to replace hosting services as we once knew them. Currently
> > > the torrent part is weakest, but we believe we'll see "torrent url's"
> > > soon .. stunts where the torrent technology will not be limited to
> > > file sharing, but will be a "transport" for any layer in the Internet.
> > >
> > > To be specific, Don and I have an architecture for hosting that
> > > includes two "computers" .. one the typical shared hosting service ..
> > > but with GREAT programmer oriented services, an the other a dedicated
> > > fraction of a "blade" (with root access).. which bursts up to the full
> > > blade, or can advance to clustered.
> > >
> > > Managing this is a "DNS Management Service" .. yet another web hosting
> > > service that lets some of the requests for our domain go to the shared
> > > system, and others to the shared .. i.e. a form of load balancing.
> > > And for storage, the service has a Network Storage System (Joyent
> > > Bingo Disks) that is completely scalable, and on a 100Mb pipe. All
> > > facilities interoperable.
> > >
> > > Managing all this is a fantastic web based administration package
> > > called Virtualmin .. virtual computing administration. And we can
> > > move our Virtualmin system from Joyent to Amazon (S3/EC2) in a day,
> > > with Virtualmin's migration facilities.
> > >
> > > Its not your father's internet any more!
> > >
> > > See these:
> > > http://www.joyent.com/
> > > http://www.virtualmin.com/
> > > https://www.dnsmadeeasy.com/
> > >
> > > So Tom, the answer to:
> > >> Let's see now: what are the odds we in New Mexico -- hell, in the
> > >> U.S. --
> > >> will ever see a fraction of this in our home?
> > > .. is very high if we in The Complex decide to work on this. The
> > > pieces are in place.
> > >
> > > -- Owen
> > >
> > >
> > > On Apr 6, 2008, at 8:33 PM, Tom Johnson wrote:
> > >
> > >> Let's see now: what are the odds we in New Mexico -- hell, in the
> > >> U.S. --
> > >> will ever see a fraction of this in our home?
> > >>
> > >>
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article3689881.ece?print=ye
> s&randnum=1207538948023---
> > >>
> > >> -- tj
> > >>
> > >> ==========================================
> > >> J. T. Johnson
> > >> Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA
> > >> www.analyticjournalism.com
> > >> 505.577.6482(c) 505.473.9646(h)
> > >> http://www.jtjohnson.com tom at jtjohnson.com
> > >>
> > >> "You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
> > >> To change something, build a new model that makes the
> > >> existing model obsolete."
> > >> -- Buckminster Fuller
> > >> ==========================================
> > >> ============================================================
> > >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > 1st-mile-nm mailing list
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> > Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 21:25:39 -0600
> > From: Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net>
> > Subject: [FRIAM] Tiobe Programming Language Index
> > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> > <friam at redfish.com>
> > Message-ID: <217F9D24-52FC-4D37-8692-6E9A782963C9 at backspaces.net>
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> > Always fun to see the programming language index now and again:
> > http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
> >
> > Amazing to see VB is up 3.5%, while C++ is down .8% and Python is
> > moving up .7% .. and the big surprise for me with AJAX being such a
> > Big Thing is Javascript down quite a bit.
> >
> > Nice to see D doing well, still in the top 20, and actually at number
> > 12 already.
> >
> > Naturally, Java is still number 1, at 20.5%, up 2.17% over the year.
> >
> > -- Owen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:31:28 +1000
> > From: Russell Standish <r.standish at unsw.edu.au>
> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Tiobe Programming Language Index
> > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> > <friam at redfish.com>
> > Message-ID: <20080408043128.GC14009 at bloody-dell.localdomain>
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> > Looks like VB and PHP have overtaken C++ in third spot. But these
> > languages aren't really competitors of C++, which are really C#, Java
> > and to a certain extent C.
> >
> > D will probably be my next language, but it will probably need to get
> > way more popular before I make a switch to it :)
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 09:25:39PM -0600, Owen Densmore wrote:
> > > Always fun to see the programming language index now and again:
> > > http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
> > >
> > > Amazing to see VB is up 3.5%, while C++ is down .8% and Python is
> > > moving up .7% .. and the big surprise for me with AJAX being such a
> > > Big Thing is Javascript down quite a bit.
> > >
> > > Nice to see D doing well, still in the top 20, and actually at number
> > > 12 already.
> > >
> > > Naturally, Java is still number 1, at 20.5%, up 2.17% over the year.
> > >
> > > -- Owen
> > >
> > >
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:33:13 -0600
> > From: "Marcus G. Daniels" <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Tiobe Programming Language Index
> > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> > <friam at redfish.com>
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> > Owen Densmore wrote:
> > > Naturally, Java is still number 1, at 20.5%, up 2.17% over the year.
> > >
> > But even Haskell has a better performance case.
> >
> > http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=all
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 00:31:38 -0600
> > From: "Nicholas Thompson" <nickthompson at earthlink.net>
> > Subject: [FRIAM] The quintessence of complexity thinking
> > To: friam at redfish.com
> > Cc: kitchen at lists.clarku.edu
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> >
> > All,
> >
> > Colleagues at my former institutution have asked me to provide a reading
> or other ...... representation .... that can be consumed in less than an
> hour that would give a sense of what it is "we" do in Friam, in Santa Fe,
> etc. Hopefully not words ABOUT it but an example OF it, if you see what I
> mean, but we might have to settle for words. If you had ONE SHOT at
> turning a colleague into a complexitist, what would you do with him/her.
> >
> > Does FRIAM have some suggestions????
> >
> > A related question in my mind: if agent-based-models come closest to
> capturing the essense of complexity thinking, WHY?
> >
> > Discuss. I will collect your responses and forward them on to
> Worcester.
> >
> > Nick
> >
> >
> > Nicholas S. Thompson
> > Research Associate, Redfish Group, Santa Fe, NM (nick at redfish.com)
> > Professor of Psychology and Ethology, Clark University
> (nthompson at clarku.edu)
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> > Message: 6
> > Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 06:33:11 -0700
> > From: "glen e. p. ropella" <gepr at tempusdictum.com>
> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The quintessence of complexity thinking
> > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> > <friam at redfish.com>
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> > Nicholas Thompson wrote:
> > > Colleagues at my former institutution have asked me to provide a
> > > reading or other ...... representation .... that can be consumed in
> > > less than an hour that would give a sense of what it is "we" do in
> > > Friam, in Santa Fe, etc. Hopefully not words ABOUT it but an example
> > > OF it, if you see what I mean, but we might have to settle for words.
> > > If you had ONE SHOT at turning a colleague into a complexitist, what
> > > would you do with him/her.
> >
> > I would probably sit down with them and play a couple tiling games, one
> > periodic and one aperiodic. Or if that were infeasible, I'd probably
> > set up some game-theoretic human-in-the-loop games.
> >
> > Anything involving collaborative (stigmergic) construction would be
> > good, especially if it usually produces counter-intuitive results.
> >
> > > A related question in my mind: if agent-based-models come closest to
> > > capturing the essense of complexity thinking, WHY?
> >
> > _If_ they do (and I'm not convinced they do with all the pitfalls of
> > modeling and simulation in the way), it is exactly because of the
> > potential for collaborative construction in ABSs. It's collaborative
> > construction that provides the umbrella for things like stigmergy,
> > scaffolding, co-evolution, implicit selection functions, dynamic
> > landscapes, and relatively easy demonstrations of interesting
> > generator-phenomena mappings.
> >
> > Of course, this focus on synthesis misses the other half of "complexity"
> > to some extent, patterns and analysis. Finding an inverse map from
> > phenomena to generator and the techniques involved is at least half of
> > the domain. And in this, the construction (especially modeling and
> > simulation) is just a cognitive aid. For the analysis half, ABM is NOT
> > the best way to capture complexity. For that, I'd say studying fractals
> > is the best way to get the point across. Cellular automata might be a
> > close second.
> >
> > - --
> > glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com
> > Liberty is the only thing you can't have unless you give it to others.
> > - -- William Allen White
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> > Message: 7
> > Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:58:05 -0400
> > From: "Phil Henshaw" <sy at synapse9.com>
> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The quintessence of complexity thinking
> > To: <nickthompson at earthlink.net>, "'The Friday Morning Applied
> > Complexity Coffee Group'" <friam at redfish.com>
> > Cc: kitchen at lists.clarku.edu
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> >
> > Well, it would be hard for me to draw the picture of what the local Santa
> Fe
> > FRIAM community 'does', but it's often that a complex system retains it's
> > original concept and develops from that idea by addition and adjustment as
> > it grew. It may have reached a stable form or have a stability only of
> > wandering perhaps, and says a lot about it. Using that 'story form' is
> > one good way to describe a complex system that gives people a well ordered
> > ladder of both insights and open questions that they can then plug into as
> > they like.
> >
> >
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
> >
> > From: friam-bounces at redfish.com [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of Nicholas Thompson
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:32 AM
> > To: friam at redfish.com
> > Cc: kitchen at lists.clarku.edu
> > Subject: [FRIAM] The quintessence of complexity thinking
> >
> >
> >
> > All,
> >
> >
> >
> > Colleagues at my former institutution have asked me to provide a reading
> or
> > other ...... representation .... that can be consumed in less than an hour
> > that would give a sense of what it is "we" do in Friam, in Santa Fe, etc.
> > Hopefully not words ABOUT it but an example OF it, if you see what I mean,
> > but we might have to settle for words. If you had ONE SHOT at turning a
> > colleague into a complexitist, what would you do with him/her.
> >
> >
> >
> > Does FRIAM have some suggestions????
> >
> >
> >
> > A related question in my mind: if agent-based-models come closest to
> > capturing the essense of complexity thinking, WHY?
> >
> >
> >
> > Discuss. I will collect your responses and forward them on to
> Worcester.
> >
> >
> >
> > Nick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Nicholas S. Thompson
> >
> > Research Associate, Redfish Group, Santa Fe, NM (nick at redfish.com)
> >
> > Professor of Psychology and Ethology, Clark University
> > (nthompson at clarku.edu)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Exemplars of Complexity [WAS:"quiintessence...thinking"]

In reply to this post by Nick Thompson

It takes a process to change a process, that's why the development of
complexity is continuous and you can mark the succession of it's changes in
direction.

????.?? ? `?.????

Phil