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Jack Stafurik

Eigenmorality

For all of ye that are skeptical of technology’s ability to guide our morality, read the link below.

Soon, we will all worship at the Church of Google, singing the praises of EigenJesus!

http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1820

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Steve Smith

Re: Eigenmorality

I read both papers (Aaronson's and his students) and I'll be eigendamned if I believe they really said much about morality.

On the other hand, it was in interesting extension of the Prisoner's Dilemma, too bad they didn't throw Nick, et al's MOTH (my way or the highway) strategy in...

I was *hoping* that they were going to implement *networks* of prisoner-bots who were not necessarily iterating with the same player every time, but rather iterating with a larger social network (of networks) with the possibility of seeing enclaves of cooperation emerge, maybe see how the boundaries of such enclaves survive (I can imagine something like Tit-for-Tat variation creating a lipid-like membrane around much sweeter up to even AlwaysCooperate groups)...

But I still don't think it speaks quite to morality?

Anyone else read this?

For all of ye that are skeptical of technology’s ability to guide our morality, read the link below.

Soon, we will all worship at the Church of Google, singing the praises of EigenJesus!

http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1820
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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: Eigenmorality

“But I still don't think it speaks quite to morality?”

One thing missing from that approach is how, given some context, to generate a `moral’ behavior, and how to deconstruct why a behavior is moral or immoral. It’s just a context, the union of a set of (presumed) value systems.. The eigenmorality can’t probe for questions that aren’t already answered. And there’s a problem of implied moral distance metrics not being justified, and that it is described in a uni-dimensional way. Two Wrongs make a Right!

Marcus

Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. Mark Crispin

Gillian Densmore

Re: Eigenmorality

nonono we worship Cthulu

Re'lya Cthulu Fegi Wadon

On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Marcus G. Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

“But I still don't think it speaks quite to morality?”

One thing missing from that approach is how, given some context, to generate a `moral’ behavior, and how to deconstruct why a behavior is moral or immoral. It’s just a context, the union of a set of (presumed) value systems.. The eigenmorality can’t probe for questions that aren’t already answered. And there’s a problem of implied moral distance metrics not being justified, and that it is described in a uni-dimensional way. Two Wrongs make a Right!

Marcus

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glen ropella

Re: Eigenmorality

On 06/23/2014 07:52 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
> nonono we worship Cthulu
> Re'lya Cthulu Fegi Wadon

Bah! Cthulhu is a half-breed false prophet! To understand the minds of
the Old Ones, you must go directly to them. Do not accept
disintermediation by that tentacle-moustache shuckster. You don't need
a priest! You too can have cosmic relationships. $19.95. Limited time
offer. Call within the next hour and you'll be put in touch with both
Yog and Azathoth! Two cosmic relationships for the price of one!!!

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⇒⇐ glen

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