And to fill in 80% of the gaps read Jane Jacobs on N. Sys. econ.
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-----Original Message-----
From: David Mirly <
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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:45:25
To:The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Edge: The Need for Heretics
In 1993, Paul Hawken wrote a good book on externalities titled "The
Ecology of Commerce".
I imagine most of the readers of this list already know of this book,
but for those who don't it's
a decent work.
On Aug 12, 2007, at 1:26 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
> On Aug 12, 2007, at 12:07 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
>> On 8/12/07, David Mirly <mirly at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 2) It would be wise to attempt to minimize our impacts on such a
>>> complex system when we don't even partially understand the
>>> consequences.
>>
>> Just to beat on the defenders of the status quo some more, their
>> rationale
>> for denying climate change and not messing with the economy is
>> essentially
>> the same: it, the economy, is a complex system where we don't even
>> partially understand the consequences of even small changes, so it
>> would be
>> wise to minimize our impacts on it.
>>
>> So we have the same rhetoric of conservatism on both sides of the
>> question.
>
> One of the best retorts against the status quo is "total cost" of a
> product, including its entire life cycle. Many opportunistic
> capitalists "cheat" by leaving much of the cost of their products to
> others.
>
> The computer industry is improving in this regard: offering
> responsible recycling for every product, included in the original
> cost. Apple lets you send computers back to them at their end of
> life. HP includes ink jet recycling envelopes. This is at least
> hopeful. And Gore, for all his faults, is doing an astounding job of
> raising awareness.
>
> -- Owen
>
>
>
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