Dynamics of Complex Systems by Yaneer Bar-Yam

[Phil Henshaw-2]

It's curious, what you describe sounds like one of my perennial key
complaints, 'no appropriate reply', but I didn't notice your questions
as they went bye.  My recent comments have been more in the vein of
mapping out errors in our structural assumptions about nature, and the
important things computers imitate well (following rules...) and
imitate poorly (asking questions...), to probe where the productive
directions for inquiry are.   I've been surprised by the absence of
theoretical discussion of AI principles, though, too.   Is it just
that the creative edge of the field is just to esoteric to discuss??

It's all got to fit in with conversation, though, and it does seem
quite mysterious why some things get picked up and some don't.  



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> -----Original Message-----
> From: friam-bounces at redfish.com
> [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 3:16 PM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Dynamics of Complex Systems by Yaneer Bar-Yam
>
>
> Frankly, I'm disappointed.
>
> The FRIAM list has been through several very philosophical
> conversations over 3-4 weeks, all purporting to be "complex".  Yet  
> when I ask for a formal treatment, I get no answer.
>
> Does this mean, for complexity, there's no There There?
>
> Surely there is some interesting formalism we can use for
> complexity.  Robert Holmes suggested a great book to us a while

back  

> which I had forgotten in my initial email:
>    David MacKay: Information Theory, Inference, and Learning
> Algorithms
>    http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/itila/
>
> Do we all talk about complexity yet have no basis for it?
>
>      -- Owen
>
> Owen Densmore
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>
> On Jul 19, 2006, at 1:01 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>
> > I've been looking at/for complexity books that are textbooks or
> > similarly technical/mathematical.  The recent Newman,
> Barabasi & Watts
> > collection The Structure and Dynamics of Networks is pretty
> good but I
> > would like something broader, covering the "Complex Systems" world.
> >
> > Bar Yam's original book:
> > http://tinyurl.com/mmxwp
> >    or
> > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0813341213/sr=1-1/qid=1153334623/
> > ref=sr_1_1/104-7070581-5619133?ie=UTF8
> > is the best I know of.  Anyone know of another?
> >
> >      -- Owen
> >
> > Owen Densmore
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> >
> >
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