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> I don't know the answers to your questions. I can say that an > anti-Trump theme has been prominent. I don't think there was much > optimism for Sanders's chances nor for those of the 3rd party > candidates. There was a moment when one attendee was lamenting the > poor choices available. I said that I actually liked Clinton. He > practically gagged. I know many had little optimism for Sanders (or moreso a 3rd party) and I think that makes it a self-fulfilling prophecy (e.g. I'm not going to support Sanders/Stein because I don't think they have a chance of winning... oh look! See, they didn't get very much support!). I'm pretty sure Sanders would have done better than Clinton against Trump. At least enough to have won. (I'm not whining, just stating my belief). I think Hillary was the *most qualified* candidate we've had in a very long time... I can understand why some/many would "actually like" her. I don't gag, but I do perhaps groan. I just don't agree with some of her actions (I tend to agree with many of her stated ideals) and I am way over-ready for big change (just not Trump Change)... all moot at this point, however. I think we might do well in spite of the ascendency of "his Orangeness"... but it will probably take a lot of Nick's/Dave's style of considered dialog to get us there. I grant the protestors/occupiers the right to raise a certain amount of hell about the state of affairs, I applaud the Greens going to bat for some recounts, but I also think we need to get down to tactics and strategy for what appears to be inevitable. There is now a loose cannon on our decks and it is in our best interest to clear them of sharp or fragile objects, as well as we can and try to keep it from shearing our masts or obliterating the wheelhouse. Maybe it will just careen over the edge of the deck in it's own belligerent exuberance!? Probably not. Hope Springs Infernal - Steve ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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In reply to this post by Vladimyr Burachynsky
Vladimyr, You thank Stephen Guerin [steve@...] and Owen Densmore [owen@...] who got it started more than 12 years ago, and you thank Frank Wimberly (Frank Wimberly [[hidden email], who arrives faithfully ever Friday at 9am, come rain, shine, snow, or St. John’s Vacations, and sees that there is always somebody there to welcome a newcomer. OR a visitor from the diaspora. It is, to my knowledge, the longest running weekly fact-to-face discussion group on the planet. I couldn’t survive without it. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Vladimyr Burachynsky Nick Take a deep Breath and slowly listen to your Prophetic words. Your metaphor has enormous potential and may seem to some overly generous . Yet it may be what saves us from ourselves. Accepting the far flung into the commonality is exactly how the Greeks defied more brutal regimes. According to Herodotus, if you could Run with a Shield and Spear and recite a few words in Greek so you became Greek. The standards were much relaxed if you could bring your wet-nurse. They accepted even the proverbial Idiots. Now there are so many Greeks outside of Greece that they actually outnumber residents. These Diaspora communities seem to thrive in western nations and enliven local cuisine at the very least. But seriously a Diaspora that includes other diasporas ; it sounds a lot like our own Humanity. Perhaps Trump accidentally did something useful. Even Fools can be blessed with the occasional words of wisdom. Perhaps our little cultural groups are oh, so, pleasant strait jackets or prison cells. I have forgotten who to thank for this forum, so anyway they deserve a cheer. A divided America may lead to a United World is this a contradiction or Paradox Vladimyr vib From: Friam [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Nick Thompson Sorry, Vladimyr, My Bad. “the mother church” and “the diaspora” is a running gag of mine that nobody gets and I should stop it. I mean by “mother church” the group of people who meet here in Santa Fe each Friday and by “the diaspora” those of you on the list who are too far away to show up. I mean to imply by the metaphor that all of you have the Right of Return. But since I really don’t know what any of those terms mean, AND I am mixing up metaphors, perhaps it’s time for Old Nick to get another joke. Thanks for your patience. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University From: Friam [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Vladimyr Burachynsky Nice to hear from Jochen seems like a long absence. The political weather seems to have become more turbulent. The directional Vectors from Italy and Austria only add to the mess. Fear of the future appears to manifest itself in many oddities. Canadians are only joking when they suggest we build a Wall to keep out the Yanks. It would perk up the economy but would be easily misunderstood. Maybe we should use old folk remedies such as Garlic Braids to keep Lucifer at bay. The literal/serious dichotomy may also appear when symbols are confused with reality. The “Great America” may be an awkward Symbol used to soothe babies frightened by thunder. A crucifix always soothes the bereaved at a funeral, the dead remain dead and the living have to repair the damage. Symbols abound in troubled times. What is a FRIAM Diaspora Community, hmmm,,, My wager is that Trump will be impeached within 24 months. Vladimyr vib From: Friam [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm In Europe people are shocked about the results of the American presidential election. What is your opinion in NM, will the new president Trump make America great again or will he lead America into some form of cronyism, nepotism, fascism or even totalitarianism? American itself seems to be deeply divided His supporters take him seriously but not literally, while his opponents take him literally bit not seriously. I guess the FRIAM group is divided too between those who take Trump seriously and hope he will make their situation better, and those who take him literally and hope he will fail. Which side is the majority? -Jochen Sent from my Tricorder. ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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I have to thank every one, Truth is that we all will die. Social Justice is about allowing people to delay knowledge of the inevitable. Reality is hard, Delusion intoxicating. Sobriety is a grim life style. I started listening to Nigel Kennedy again … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q7DrtPZw5s How time flies… Admitting to both only leads to melancholy. So let’s all get thoroughly pissed, the reality will still be there when we wake up. I Hope someone prepares the coffee. That seems the basis for any social structure; bemused sympathy. vib Vladimyr Well, Canada now has the same malady. The crowds were chanting Trump slogans in Calgary they even had preprinted placards , maybe in French and English. From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Nick Thompson Vladimyr, You thank Stephen Guerin [steve@...] and Owen Densmore [owen@...] who got it started more than 12 years ago, and you thank Frank Wimberly (Frank Wimberly [[hidden email], who arrives faithfully ever Friday at 9am, come rain, shine, snow, or St. John’s Vacations, and sees that there is always somebody there to welcome a newcomer. OR a visitor from the diaspora. It is, to my knowledge, the longest running weekly fact-to-face discussion group on the planet. I couldn’t survive without it. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University From: Friam [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Vladimyr Burachynsky Nick Take a deep Breath and slowly listen to your Prophetic words. Your metaphor has enormous potential and may seem to some overly generous . Yet it may be what saves us from ourselves. Accepting the far flung into the commonality is exactly how the Greeks defied more brutal regimes. According to Herodotus, if you could Run with a Shield and Spear and recite a few words in Greek so you became Greek. The standards were much relaxed if you could bring your wet-nurse. They accepted even the proverbial Idiots. Now there are so many Greeks outside of Greece that they actually outnumber residents. These Diaspora communities seem to thrive in western nations and enliven local cuisine at the very least. But seriously a Diaspora that includes other diasporas ; it sounds a lot like our own Humanity. Perhaps Trump accidentally did something useful. Even Fools can be blessed with the occasional words of wisdom. Perhaps our little cultural groups are oh, so, pleasant strait jackets or prison cells. I have forgotten who to thank for this forum, so anyway they deserve a cheer. A divided America may lead to a United World is this a contradiction or Paradox Vladimyr vib From: Friam [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Nick Thompson Sorry, Vladimyr, My Bad. “the mother church” and “the diaspora” is a running gag of mine that nobody gets and I should stop it. I mean by “mother church” the group of people who meet here in Santa Fe each Friday and by “the diaspora” those of you on the list who are too far away to show up. I mean to imply by the metaphor that all of you have the Right of Return. But since I really don’t know what any of those terms mean, AND I am mixing up metaphors, perhaps it’s time for Old Nick to get another joke. Thanks for your patience. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University From: Friam [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Vladimyr Burachynsky Nice to hear from Jochen seems like a long absence. The political weather seems to have become more turbulent. The directional Vectors from Italy and Austria only add to the mess. Fear of the future appears to manifest itself in many oddities. Canadians are only joking when they suggest we build a Wall to keep out the Yanks. It would perk up the economy but would be easily misunderstood. Maybe we should use old folk remedies such as Garlic Braids to keep Lucifer at bay. The literal/serious dichotomy may also appear when symbols are confused with reality. The “Great America” may be an awkward Symbol used to soothe babies frightened by thunder. A crucifix always soothes the bereaved at a funeral, the dead remain dead and the living have to repair the damage. Symbols abound in troubled times. What is a FRIAM Diaspora Community, hmmm,,, My wager is that Trump will be impeached within 24 months. Vladimyr vib From: Friam [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm In Europe people are shocked about the results of the American presidential election. What is your opinion in NM, will the new president Trump make America great again or will he lead America into some form of cronyism, nepotism, fascism or even totalitarianism? American itself seems to be deeply divided His supporters take him seriously but not literally, while his opponents take him literally bit not seriously. I guess the FRIAM group is divided too between those who take Trump seriously and hope he will make their situation better, and those who take him literally and hope he will fail. Which side is the majority? -Jochen Sent from my Tricorder. ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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