Disappearing E-mails
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I am hosting my e-Mails at an American provider. I've noticed that sometimes e-Mails seem to disappear mysteriously. They are still in the archives of the FRIAM list, but seem to vanish from the IMAP server. Only for mails where I mention the US in one way or another. As if some kind of censorship would take place. This isn't possible, or is it? How can that be? There is no ministry of truth yet, or is it? -J. Sent from Android tablet ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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On 11/2/13, 10:15 AM, Jochen Fromm
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I periodically get errors that my mail provider isn't white listed relative to the FRIAM provider. Associated with these diagnostic e-mails is also this symptom. There have also been periods in the past where lots of chatting on FRIAM results in delivery being suspended for about a day, but the archive still taking the e-mail. With regard to the latter, I figured Stephen or the list administrator was impatient with the discussion and turned it off. Or maybe an intelligence agency is just sanitizing you. Marcus ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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In reply to this post by Jochen Fromm-5
I don't know the exact reason, but it starts to frighten me. Creepy. Maybe Snowden was right after all. -J. Sent from Android -------- Original message -------- From: "Marcus G. Daniels" <[hidden email]> Date: 02/11/2013 17:24 (GMT+01:00) To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Disappearing E-mails On 11/2/13, 10:15 AM, Jochen Fromm
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I periodically get errors that my mail provider isn't white listed relative to the FRIAM provider. Associated with these diagnostic e-mails is also this symptom. There have also been periods in the past where lots of chatting on FRIAM results in delivery being suspended for about a day, but the archive still taking the e-mail. With regard to the latter, I figured Stephen or the list administrator was impatient with the discussion and turned it off. Or maybe an intelligence agency is just sanitizing you. Marcus ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Interestingly enough, I didn't receive Marcus' response. -- Owen On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Jochen Fromm <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Jochen -
I assume you meant that sarcastically... I don't think anyone has ever suggested Snowden's disclosures were not reflecting the facts accurately... Which makes it all the more poignant I think! The attempts to discredit him have been entirely about his motives and character, not about the actual veracity of his claims (to my knowledge)... While I agree with most if not all of the sentiment you express about the circumstance and particularly appreciate the first-hand recent experience the German people have (as you described), I think you are likely to be suffering from confirmation bias... any anomalies in e-mail service are likely to (appear) to point to whatever you are most focused on (hope or fear) at the moment. I don't think the question is if Snowden is a "Traitor" or a "Hero", because I think it is natural that he will be seen as both, and by some measures has some of both in him. When he conspired to and then acted to disclose what he did, he risked causing grave harm. I don't believe he could know for sure the actual impact of his disclosures, though I believe he was very careful to minimize the risk. He also accepted much of the risk to himself by making the disclosure without veil of anonymity. I think we (the US) are going to have to be universally mistrusted (could it get worse than the Nixon, the Reagan-Bush and the Bush Cheney years?) yet more before something gives. The fact that this is happening under the president so many of us put so much hope in, is significant. I think it says a lot less about Obama the man than it does about the Office of the President and the culture of our government and I fear, our citezenry. It is acutely interesting to me to hear your point of view as a European, but as you point out, more importantly as a German with your near-recent experience with much more overtly invasive and unworthy governing. I wouldn't trade for that, but I don't want to claim that hidden abuses are qualitatively better than the exposed ones. - Steve I wonder if this e-mail will make it to your server <grin>? ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Owen -
I get a lot of FRIAM mail out of order and/or maybe with some missing submissions that *others* apparently get. Since many here do include the full text of the message they are replying to, I generally don't think much of it, assuming it will in fact "catch up later", but I'm not sure it will. I've always treated it as an artifact of the FRIAM reflector as I am not aware of any other lost e-mails in my own world... though the absence of something is often hard to detect! In answer to Jochen's thought that a moderator on FRIAM (that is only you and Stephen, right?) might have impeded the flow, I don't believe that has ever happened, nor is likely to under anything like the circumstances we've experienced up to now (how old is the list 7 years now?) - Steve
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Interesting that gmane does nicely capture the mail I miss:
.. including the one from Marcus that I missed. -- Owen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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