Despite the Web, Americans Remain Woefully Ill-Informed

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Despite the Web, Americans Remain Woefully Ill-Informed

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Infoporn: Despite the Web, Americans Remain Woefully Ill-Informed
Patrick di Justo   06.26.07 | 2:00 AM
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More than a decade after the Internet went mainstream, the world's richest
information source hasn't necessarily made its users any more informed. A
new study from the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press shows that
Americans, on average, are less able to correctly answer questions about
current events than they were in 1989. Citizens who call the Internet their
primary news source know slightly less than fans of TV and radio news.
Hmmm... maybe a little less Perez Hilton and a little more Jim Lehrer.

The five questions: Who is the vice president? Who is your state's governor?
Does the US have a trade deficit or surplus? Which party controls the House
of Representatives? Is the chief justice of the Supreme Court a liberal,
moderate, or conservative?

Source: the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press

http://www.wired.com/culture/culturereviews/magazine/15-07/st_infoporn
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all them exploding eruptions of change...

Phil Henshaw-2
pointing them out all the time... was supposed to get your interest, and
get you closely watching all the organizational flows of time.    It
hasn't worked worth a damn, though.     There are cool surprises in it,
and the most common of common sense in *watching* things happen to learn
*how* things happen, like learning how to engineer ways to directly
engage with complex autonomous systems out of our control, real
important to us, and needing our insightful respect rather than
avoidance.
 
... any clues why I get no questions???    
 
 

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Despite the Web, Americans Remain Woefully Ill-Informed

Marcus G. Daniels
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Randy Burge wrote:
> A new study from the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press
> shows that Americans, on average, are less able to correctly answer
> questions about current events than they were in 1989.
For a country of 300 million people there are as many current events.  
I'm glad if the distribution of interest in these events is spread about
a bit.   Freedom!



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Despite the Web, Americans Remain Woefully Ill-Informed

Owen Densmore
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On Jul 18, 2007, at 6:40 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote:
> Randy Burge wrote:
>> A new study from the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press
>> shows that Americans, on average, are less able to correctly answer
>> questions about current events than they were in 1989.
> For a country of 300 million people there are as many current events.
> I'm glad if the distribution of interest in these events is spread  
> about
> a bit.   Freedom!

I sorta have to agree: Just how IMPORTANT are any of these questions?

> The five questions:
> Who is the vice president?
> Who is your state's governor?
> Does the US have a trade deficit or surplus?
> Which party controls the House of Representatives?
> Is the chief justice of the Supreme Court a liberal, moderate, or  
> conservative?

If you were to be able to ask 5 questions that you would LIKE folks  
to know the answer to, would any of these be on it?  I think only  
one .. the trade deficit.

But, man, its scary to know that there's anyone ALIVE in the US who  
cannot answer these.

     -- Owen




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Despite the Web, Americans Remain Woefully Ill-Informed

glen ep ropella
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Randy Burge wrote:
> *More than a decade* after the Internet went mainstream, the world's
> richest information source hasn't necessarily made its users any more
> informed.

I don't think the article supports the subject line.  The phrase "hasn't
necessarily" is extremely important in this case.

You'll notice in the GIF that many _more_ people can now name the
Speaker of the House, the Chief Justice, and the Sec. of Defense.

I haven't looked at the actual poll results; but, it's _possible_ (hence
the importance of the word "necessarily") that we know many more things
but know less about any single thing.  And such a conclusion would be
supported by rampant diagnoses of ADD and autism (where ADD is a symptom
and autism is an attempt to correct).

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glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com
In all affairs it's a healthy thing now and then to hang a question mark
on the things you have long taken for granted. -- Bertrand Russell

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Steve Smith
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I am disturbed by the non-sequitur inherent in the Subject and Body of
this article:   It suggests that the Web inherently *should* make
Americans more well informed.

3  points:

1) I agree that these are not particularly important questions in their
own right, but they *are* hugely  significant indicators of how
uninformed the folks who were "studied" are on this type  of details,
and I agree with Owen that is scary that "anyone ALIVE in the US ...
cannot answer these".

2) The internet, in my opinion, is still mainly a reference source...  
Somewhere between a dictionary or encyclopedia and a newspaper or
magazine subscription.

If people aren't interested in these kinds of facts, they won't look
them up and they won't "subscribe" (e-mail lists, blogs, podcasts,
news/information web sites) to sources that provide them.   Like the
folks I grew up around whose only reading material was their
subscription to GRIT or Nat'l Enquirer.

3) If there is a correlation, perhaps it is a negative one... the ratio
of "important" (by some measure) factoids to the "unimportant" (by any
measure) has plummeted, no?

Even TV (with 182 channels) in it's "ubiquity" has aggravated this.  
At 5 or 6 PM and 10 PM each night in my youth, *any* television running
would be showing news... mediated by a local station such that anyone
within earhshot would hear their Gov's name as well as the VP's and
some of the other facts in question fairly frequently.   Today
specialized channels like ESPN, MTV, TBS, HBO, Science, Discovery, even
CNN (and all of their competitors/wannabes) mean that you can run your
TV night and day and never hear most of these things (even with CNN you
won't hear your Gov's name often unless he's a bombast like our own).

At the newsstand there are hundreds of magazines where there were once
tens.   Geeks like us maybe all read Byte and now Wired (haven't had a
subscription in a decade myself) and maybe Nature/Science/SciAm  and
maybe Fashionistas all read Cosmo (or whatever is equivalent) but the
competition for eyeballs (and ears) is fierce... and a lot that is
being offered up is overly refined (like white sugar, flour,
corn-syrup, textured-vegetable-protein, etc.) to do more than satisfy
(seduce) the most immediate of appetites.


Owen said:
I sorta have to agree: Just how IMPORTANT are any of these questions?

>
>> The five questions:
>> Who is the vice president?
>> Who is your state's governor?
>> Does the US have a trade deficit or surplus?
>> Which party controls the House of Representatives?
>> Is the chief justice of the Supreme Court a liberal, moderate, or
>> conservative?
>
> If you were to be able to ask 5 questions that you would LIKE folks
> to know the answer to, would any of these be on it?  I think only
> one .. the trade deficit.
>
> But, man, its scary to know that there's anyone ALIVE in the US who
> cannot answer these.
>



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Roger Critchlow-2
On 7/22/07, steve smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:
>
> I am disturbed by the non-sequitur inherent in the Subject and Body of
> this article:   It suggests that the Web inherently *should* make
> Americans more well informed.


Myself, I'm getting a little tired of the pop quizzes demonstrating one kind
of ignorance or another.

Given any population, there exists some set of questions which they will get
mostly wrong, and another set they will get mostly right.  So what?

Ability to regurgitate facts on demand measures what?  Ability to think?
No.  Ability to research?  No.  Ability to make good decisions?  No.
Ability to ask good questions?  No.  Ability to understand answers?  No.

If you want people to look smart, ask questions they know the answer to.  If
you want them to look stupid, ask other questions.  In either case,
establish that the questions asked are the ones the people should know by
hand waving, because there is no authority for the questions people should
be able to answer.

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Marcus G. Daniels
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steve smith wrote:
> 2) The internet, in my opinion, is still mainly a reference source...  
> Somewhere between a dictionary or encyclopedia and a newspaper or
> magazine subscription.
>
> If people aren't interested in these kinds of facts, they won't look
> them up and they won't "subscribe" (e-mail lists, blogs, podcasts,
> news/information web sites) to sources that provide them.  
With more kinds of appealing facts accessible (ranging from gossip blogs
to online academic journals),  and assuming fixed available attention by
individuals, then we should expect per-individual knowledge of any
particular topic to be reduced...