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With the "diaspora" from Facebook to G+, comes this interesting story: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/12/nyregion/12about.html
.. basically a group of hackers built a great alternative from Kickstarter. -- Owen
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Whoa! Here's the rest of the Kickstart story: http://goo.gl/PGkM
They asked for 10K$. How much did they come up with? $200K$! Wow does the world hate FB's privacy policy!
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
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A great example of creative action; intentional and potent.
So those who sign up have self-selected to be in a group of folks wanting specific things from their social networks, rather than those wanting- or tolerating - the wider, scattershot approach of FB etc... Our interests are much more likely to dovetail from the start. Good for personal and professional reasons. Speaking of which, what's the current opinion on length of time to get a G+ account once I've added my name to their list? Can someone on this list invite me officially, and would that give me an active account? Owen, you get a lot done. You have a strategy, an approach, that works well. Is it possible to define it? On Jul 12, 2011, at 7:02 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: Whoa! Here's the rest of the Kickstart story: http://goo.gl/PGkM ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Yes, Diaspora is interesting, and there are many who are
very, very upset about Facebook. Maybe it is even better than Facebook and Google+: everybody has his own node and really owns his personal data, the different nodes are connected in a P2P style. A diaspora server is named a "pod".. You can host your own pod, or you can use a public one (like a WP blog server). This would really solve the scalability and the privacy problem, and the data would be stored where it belongs. I wrote about it here: http://4loc.wordpress.com/2011/03/02/facebook-vs-diaspora/ Yet the dream for someone is the nightmare for someone else - real privacy would be a nightmare for government agencies and institutions, who would not be able to uncover criminal activities. The data collected by Microsoft, Facebook, Google and other Internet giants is easily accessible to them, because they are American corporations subject to federal law. The Diaspora approach is promising - and it is named like the Greg Egan SF novel ;-). Unfortunately, I guess it has no chance against the major Internet companies. Google will improve its service, and Facebook will respond with a similar circle feature soon. Google+ is an existential threat for them. Although there are still privacy concerns, I think Google+ is the lesser evil. -J. ----- Original Message ----- From: Owen Densmore To: Complexity Coffee Group Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 3:02 AM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Creating a Network Like Facebook,Only Private - NYTimes.com Whoa! Here's the rest of the Kickstart story: http://goo.gl/PGkM They asked for 10K$. How much did they come up with? $200K$! Wow does the world hate FB's privacy policy! On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote: With the "diaspora" from Facebook to G+, comes this interesting story: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/12/nyregion/12about.html .. basically a group of hackers built a great alternative from Kickstarter. -- Owen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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My interest in Diaspora is with FRIAM and social networking. We're generally sophisticated enough to use this and we can help folks if it is too complex for them.
I've been fairly casual about "public data" .. heck anyone can know my name and address from the phone book! Tossing in photos OK. Birthdays, no .. that's used to identify people: name + bday. GeoLocation .. prefer not unless granted by me in certain situations. Job history .. a bit tougher because it disambiguates me from others of the same name.
My wish is that we had more useful authorization and identification/authentication within G+ so that I could more narrowly restrict personal data access. With all the break-ins occurring over the last few years at major computing institutions, even google, I've sorta resigned myself to having any data I put into these organization .. who benefit by making it available/usable for their own purposes such as targeted search .. being stolen by hackers. I'm less concerned about banks and credit cards, they generally do not use your data for other purposes.
I guess I agree with Scott McNealy: you don't have any privacy, get used to it! -- Owen
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Agreed. I've read that in Japan, a crowded country with little actual
privacy, there is an ethic of "don't look". It seems to me that true privacy is gone, but maintaining the illusion of privacy is nice, which I take to be the Japanese practice. Bruce On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote: > I guess I agree with Scott McNealy: you don't have any privacy, get used to > it! > -- Owen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Unfortunately, that's all about to change. See "Banks Find Way To Sell Consumers Shopping Data" on Slashdot
—R
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Privacy is a curious thing, especially
those who do not have it - the rich and the famous - desire it. Those who have it - the poor and the nameless - do not value it. They would like to get rid of it if they can become rich and famous. Is it possible that some goals in Maslow's hierarchy of needs contradict each other? The need for self-actualization and achievement leads to fame and lack of privacy, and this implies a lack of safety. Or is it just the modern media society which plays with human emotions by creating and destroying "stars" ? -J. On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote: > I guess I agree with Scott McNealy: you don't have any privacy, get used > to > it! > -- Owen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Not all people or cultures would agree that fame and lack of privacy =
lack of safety. On Jul 14, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote: > Privacy is a curious thing, especially > those who do not have it - the rich > and the famous - desire it. > Those who have it - the poor and the > nameless - do not value it. They would > like to get rid of it if they can become > rich and famous. > > Is it possible that some goals in Maslow's > hierarchy of needs contradict each other? > The need for self-actualization and achievement > leads to fame and lack of privacy, and this > implies a lack of safety. Or is it just the > modern media society which plays with > human emotions by creating and destroying > "stars" ? > > -J. > > On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> > wrote: >> I guess I agree with Scott McNealy: you don't have any privacy, get >> used to >> it! >> -- Owen > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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