Coffee Shop

[Frank Wimberly-2]

The Coffee Shop at St John's College in Santa Fe opens at 9:00am daily.  Assuming we want to meet there we have the decision about whether and how remote participants can attend.  I hope a discussion here reaches a consensus.  Barry, Dave, Glen and Eric are among those who have been attending remotely.

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[Frank Wimberly-2]

Also Nick now that he has gone to Mass.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021, 7:15 AM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:

The Coffee Shop at St John's College in Santa Fe opens at 9:00am daily.  Assuming we want to meet there we have the decision about whether and how remote participants can attend.  I hope a discussion here reaches a consensus.  Barry, Dave, Glen and Eric are among those who have been attending remotely.

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[Stephen Guerin-5]

I suggest resuming the physical 9:30a-11:30a and shift the virtual 12p - 2p.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 11:15 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ <[hidden email]> wrote:

I don't think a hybrid is a good idea. I can see how maybe 1 remote node might fold into a meatspace group, but not ≥2. You might consider just keeping the virtual one available if remotes want to use it. And if nobody uses it, eliminate it.

Personally, I think you should simply stop the virtual one when you start up the meatspace one ... go back to the olden times, when coffee was real with full multiplex point-to-point comms aplenty.

On 6/3/21 6:16 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> Also Nick now that he has gone to Mass.
>
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> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021, 7:15 AM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
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>     The Coffee Shop at St John's College in Santa Fe opens at 9:00am daily.  Assuming we want to meet there we have the decision about whether and how remote participants can attend.  I hope a discussion here reaches a consensus.  Barry, Dave, Glen and Eric are among those who have been attending remotely.


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[Frank Wimberly-2]

I like that suggestion, Stephen.  I will be at St John's tomorrow but will take my phone with me to see if anyone shows up on Zoom.  If so, I'll advise them of the plan.  I may also check in to the pm version.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021, 11:20 AM Stephen Guerin <[hidden email]> wrote:

I suggest resuming the physical 9:30a-11:30a and shift the virtual 12p - 2p.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 11:15 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ <[hidden email]> wrote:

I don't think a hybrid is a good idea. I can see how maybe 1 remote node might fold into a meatspace group, but not ≥2. You might consider just keeping the virtual one available if remotes want to use it. And if nobody uses it, eliminate it.

Personally, I think you should simply stop the virtual one when you start up the meatspace one ... go back to the olden times, when coffee was real with full multiplex point-to-point comms aplenty.

On 6/3/21 6:16 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> Also Nick now that he has gone to Mass.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021, 7:15 AM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     The Coffee Shop at St John's College in Santa Fe opens at 9:00am daily.  Assuming we want to meet there we have the decision about whether and how remote participants can attend.  I hope a discussion here reaches a consensus.  Barry, Dave, Glen and Eric are among those who have been attending remotely.


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[Marcus G. Daniels]

Related topic.  Has anyone found videoconferencing software that is better about full duplex mode?    This is the most frustrating thing about Zoom and WebEx that they seem to assume one speaker at a time and when there are exceptions there are echo effects. 

 

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 10:52 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
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I like that suggestion, Stephen.  I will be at St John's tomorrow but will take my phone with me to see if anyone shows up on Zoom.  If so, I'll advise them of the plan.  I may also check in to the pm version.

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140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

 

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021, 11:20 AM Stephen Guerin <[hidden email]> wrote:

I suggest resuming the physical 9:30a-11:30a and shift the virtual 12p - 2p.

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zoom.simtable.com

 

 

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 11:15 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ <[hidden email]> wrote:

I don't think a hybrid is a good idea. I can see how maybe 1 remote node might fold into a meatspace group, but not ≥2. You might consider just keeping the virtual one available if remotes want to use it. And if nobody uses it, eliminate it.

Personally, I think you should simply stop the virtual one when you start up the meatspace one ... go back to the olden times, when coffee was real with full multiplex point-to-point comms aplenty.

On 6/3/21 6:16 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> Also Nick now that he has gone to Mass.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021, 7:15 AM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     The Coffee Shop at St John's College in Santa Fe opens at 9:00am daily.  Assuming we want to meet there we have the decision about whether and how remote participants can attend.  I hope a discussion here reaches a consensus.  Barry, Dave, Glen and Eric are among those who have been attending remotely.


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[Barry MacKichan]

I can send you two tin cans, but I’m having trouble finding enough string.

—Barry

On 3 Jun 2021, at 13:15, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote:

I don't think a hybrid is a good idea. I can see how maybe 1 remote node might fold into a meatspace group, but not ≥2. You might consider just keeping the virtual one available if remotes want to use it. And if nobody uses it, eliminate it.

Personally, I think you should simply stop the virtual one when you start up the meatspace one ... go back to the olden times, when coffee was real with full multiplex point-to-point comms aplenty.

On 6/3/21 6:16 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:

Also Nick now that he has gone to Mass.


On Thu, Jun 3, 2021, 7:15 AM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email] <[hidden email]>> wrote:

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[Tom Johnson (via Google Docs)]

Could use Zoom breakout rooms.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021, 12:55 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Related topic.  Has anyone found videoconferencing software that is better about full duplex mode?    This is the most frustrating thing about Zoom and WebEx that they seem to assume one speaker at a time and when there are exceptions there are echo effects. 

 

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 10:52 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Coffee Shop

 

I like that suggestion, Stephen.  I will be at St John's tomorrow but will take my phone with me to see if anyone shows up on Zoom.  If so, I'll advise them of the plan.  I may also check in to the pm version.

---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

 

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021, 11:20 AM Stephen Guerin <[hidden email]> wrote:

I suggest resuming the physical 9:30a-11:30a and shift the virtual 12p - 2p.

_______________________________________________________________________
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CEO, Simtable  http://www.simtable.com

1600 Lena St #D1, Santa Fe, NM 87505

office: [phone] mobile: [phone]

twitter: @simtable

zoom.simtable.com

 

 

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 11:15 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ <[hidden email]> wrote:

I don't think a hybrid is a good idea. I can see how maybe 1 remote node might fold into a meatspace group, but not ≥2. You might consider just keeping the virtual one available if remotes want to use it. And if nobody uses it, eliminate it.

Personally, I think you should simply stop the virtual one when you start up the meatspace one ... go back to the olden times, when coffee was real with full multiplex point-to-point comms aplenty.

On 6/3/21 6:16 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> Also Nick now that he has gone to Mass.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021, 7:15 AM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     The Coffee Shop at St John's College in Santa Fe opens at 9:00am daily.  Assuming we want to meet there we have the decision about whether and how remote participants can attend.  I hope a discussion here reaches a consensus.  Barry, Dave, Glen and Eric are among those who have been attending remotely.


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[David Eric Smith]

It was the two tin cans that zoom and Webex were modeled on, as Marcus noted.  The design presumes there is a dichotomy between speaker and listener roles at every moment.

On Jun 4, 2021, at 5:01 AM, Barry MacKichan <[hidden email]> wrote:

I can send you two tin cans, but I’m having trouble finding enough string.

—Barry

On 3 Jun 2021, at 13:15, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote:

I don't think a hybrid is a good idea. I can see how maybe 1 remote node might fold into a meatspace group, but not ≥2. You might consider just keeping the virtual one available if remotes want to use it. And if nobody uses it, eliminate it.

Personally, I think you should simply stop the virtual one when you start up the meatspace one ... go back to the olden times, when coffee was real with full multiplex point-to-point comms aplenty.

On 6/3/21 6:16 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:

Also Nick now that he has gone to Mass.


On Thu, Jun 3, 2021, 7:15 AM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email] <[hidden email]>> wrote:

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[Frank Wimberly-2]

It reminds me of Ethernet.  CSMA-CD:  Carrier Sense Multiple Access with Collision Detect.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 6:33 PM David Eric Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

It was the two tin cans that zoom and Webex were modeled on, as Marcus noted.  The design presumes there is a dichotomy between speaker and listener roles at every moment.

On Jun 4, 2021, at 5:01 AM, Barry MacKichan <[hidden email]> wrote:

I can send you two tin cans, but I’m having trouble finding enough string.

—Barry

On 3 Jun 2021, at 13:15, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote:

I don't think a hybrid is a good idea. I can see how maybe 1 remote node might fold into a meatspace group, but not ≥2. You might consider just keeping the virtual one available if remotes want to use it. And if nobody uses it, eliminate it.

Personally, I think you should simply stop the virtual one when you start up the meatspace one ... go back to the olden times, when coffee was real with full multiplex point-to-point comms aplenty.

On 6/3/21 6:16 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:

Also Nick now that he has gone to Mass.


On Thu, Jun 3, 2021, 7:15 AM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email] <[hidden email]>> wrote:

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[Frank Wimberly-2]

the tables at the coffee shop are divided into exactly 4 places that are separated by plexiglass. i will wai my sgain by 9:30 or slightly before.

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Frank

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[Frank Wimberly-2]

That is i will start a virtual meeting at 9:30 or before

On Fri, Jun 4, 2021, 9:21 AM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:

the tables at the coffee shop are divided into exactly 4 places that are separated by plexiglass. i will wai my sgain by 9:30 or slightly before.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021, 7:15 AM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Frank

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