** Change of venue to Cloud Cliff this Friday **

[Stephen Guerin]

A group of folks want to try meeting at Cloud Cliff instead of Mission Cafe.

Let's give it a try this Friday. Map:
http://tinyurl.com/9txu7

-Steve

______________________________________________________________
stephen.guerin at redfish.com
http://www.redfish.com
624 Agua Fria Street, Santa Fe, NM 87501
Santa Fe, NM [phone] / London, UK [phone]

[Douglas Roberts-2]

Good.  We can stroll down to 2nd Street for lunch afterwards.

--Doug

On 1/23/06, Stephen Guerin <stephen.guerin at redfish.com> wrote:

>
> *** FRIAM is meeting at Cloud Cliff this Friday 1/27/2005 ***
>
> A group of folks want to try meeting at Cloud Cliff instead of Mission
> Cafe.
>
> Let's give it a try this Friday. Map:
> http://tinyurl.com/9txu7
>
> -Steve
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> stephen.guerin at redfish.com
> http://www.redfish.com
> 624 Agua Fria Street, Santa Fe, NM 87501
> Santa Fe, NM [phone] / London, UK [phone]
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Cloud Cliff
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>

--
Doug Roberts, RTI
505-455-7333 - Office
505-670-8195 - Cell
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[Owen Densmore]

Dede sez: Great Minds Think Alike!

     -- Owen

Owen Densmore
http://backspaces.net - http://redfish.com - http://friam.org


On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:00 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> *** FRIAM is meeting at Cloud Cliff this Friday 1/27/2005 ***
>
> Good.  We can stroll down to 2nd Street for lunch afterwards.
>
> --Doug
>
> On 1/23/06, Stephen Guerin <stephen.guerin at redfish.com > wrote:
> *** FRIAM is meeting at Cloud Cliff this Friday 1/27/2005 ***
>
> A group of folks want to try meeting at Cloud Cliff instead of  
> Mission Cafe.
>
> Let's give it a try this Friday. Map:
> http://tinyurl.com/9txu7
>
> -Steve
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> stephen.guerin at redfish.com
> http://www.redfish.com
> 624 Agua Fria Street, Santa Fe, NM 87501
> Santa Fe, NM [phone] / London, UK [phone]
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Cloud Cliff
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>
>
>
> --
> Doug Roberts, RTI
> 505-455-7333 - Office
> 505-670-8195 - Cell
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Cloud Cliff
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org

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[Gus Koehler]

I have run into a serious problem that I need advise on.  A non-profit
organization that I consult for sends legislative and other important
messages via its e-mail to about 1,400 mostly government agency members.
The IT guy, is able to determine whom has opened the message. Of the 1,400
only about 200 opened the message.  I have been doing an e-mail based survey
at the same time and discoverd that about the same proportion of messages
weren't going through due to a GIF or other header placed in the e-mail or a
hot-link.  These messages were being selected out by security software.
What can be done to deal with this?
 
Thanks for any advice
 
Gus
 
 

Gus Koehler, Ph.D.
Principal
Time Structures
1545 University Ave.
Sacramento, CA 95825
916-564-8683, Fax: [phone]
Cell: 916-716-1740
www.timestructures.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 1:02 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] ** Change of venue to Cloud Cliff this Friday **


Dede sez: Great Minds Think Alike!

    -- Owen




Owen Densmore

http://backspaces.net - http://redfish.com - http://friam.org



On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:00 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:


*** FRIAM is meeting at Cloud Cliff this Friday 1/27/2005 ***

Good.  We can stroll down to 2nd Street for lunch afterwards.

--Doug


On 1/23/06, Stephen Guerin <stephen.guerin at redfish.com
<mailto:stephen.guerin at redfish.com> > wrote:

*** FRIAM is meeting at Cloud Cliff this Friday 1/27/2005 ***

A group of folks want to try meeting at Cloud Cliff instead of Mission Cafe.


Let's give it a try this Friday. Map:
http://tinyurl.com/9txu7

-Steve

______________________________________________________________
stephen.guerin at redfish.com
http://www.redfish.com
624 Agua Fria Street, Santa Fe, NM 87501
Santa Fe, NM [phone] / London, UK [phone]

============================================================
FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Cloud Cliff
lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org





--
Doug Roberts, RTI
505-455-7333 - Office
505-670-8195 - Cell

============================================================
FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at Cloud Cliff
lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org


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[Robert J. Cordingley]

Gus,

As I understand it, if it wasn't for the server tracking the gif being
sent in your email you would have no information about who opened an
email.  Some folks only accept text (no HTML) and may open the text
email but you wont know.  Then as you say some filters will knock it out
all together.  Some email providers are knocked out just because of the
source IP.  I use Constant Contact for my occasional newsletters and
have had 'openings' as high as 53%, averaging just over 45% over the
past 6 issues.  I have a very select distribution list and remove
bounces as I find them.  There is much discussion in there website about
reaching people and getting past spam filters.  There  seem to be tons
of reasons why email doesn't get opened, some system, some human
response/disinterest etc.  So this is the other side of the spam problem
and I presume you want more of you messages to be opened.  I'd
investigate other ways to get your survey out there by seasoned
providers.  Constant Contact (http://www.constantcontact.com/) use an
'opt-in' policy as part of the strategy to maximize openings.  An
'opt-in' can include someone you have a prior business relationship
with.  They partner with Zoomering for surveys see their page at
http://www.constantcontact.com/features/zoomerang-email-surveys.jsp but
I've never tried it.  Let me know if you do.

I chose CC because their price point was right and I think they have the
web based approach about right.

Hope this helps,
Thanks
Robert Cordingley
www.cirrillian.com


Gus Koehler wrote:

> I have run into a serious problem that I need advise on.  A non-profit
> organization that I consult for sends legislative and other important
> messages via its e-mail to about 1,400 mostly government agency
> members.  The IT guy, is able to determine whom has opened the
> message. Of the 1,400 only about 200 opened the message.  I have been
> doing an e-mail based survey at the same time and discoverd that about
> the same proportion of messages weren't going through due to a GIF or
> other header placed in the e-mail or a hot-link.  These messages were
> being selected out by security software.  What can be done to deal
> with this?
>  
> Thanks for any advice
>  
> Gus
>  
>  
>
> Gus Koehler, Ph.D.
> Principal
> Time Structures
> 1545 University Ave.
> Sacramento, CA 95825
> 916-564-8683, Fax: [phone]
> Cell: 916-716-1740
> www.timestructures.com
>  
>

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