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Is anyone else watching this open publication: Cell Press/Patterns?
https://www.cell.com/patterns/home I found the following paper on correlating firearm purchase/demand with mass shootings. https://www.cell.com/patterns/fulltext/S2666-3899(20)30110-0 Their two models seem to ignore/exclude *my* model which is that for many gun owners, there is a constant pressure toward acquiring more (or at least new) weapons and the mass shootings trigger some level of "permission" to expand or upgrade a personal arsenal. The counter pressure could be familial/spousal or superego which needs to be negotiated with to allow more resource to go into satisfying that background pressure to acquire. The same thing applies to my relatives who are knitters and quilters who use most any excuse for buying more fabric/yarn. - Steve - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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I haven't followed it. Thanks. Looks like a cool service.
I like your idea re: an underlying impetus to continue pouring money into whatever hobby, including guns. Rather than "permission", though, I'd think it's more like some sort of *reminder* ... "Oh yeah, guns are cool. I should buy more." It's difficult to describe to a non-gun owner how cool it actually is. Even the time my slide ripped my ... web (?) between my index and thumb, similar to when you hook your earlobe with a fish hook, there's something viscerally satisfying about dangerous equipment ... welders, band saws, etc. Planers are the only ones that truly scare me, for some reason. Even the table saw is less intimidating. I guess I'd rather get my finger or hand chopped clean off than get a 1 mm layer scraped off. Maybe the lathe freaks me out a bit, I guess. On 9/15/20 10:05 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > Is anyone else watching this open publication: Cell Press/Patterns? > > https://www.cell.com/patterns/home > > I found the following paper on correlating firearm purchase/demand with > mass shootings. > > https://www.cell.com/patterns/fulltext/S2666-3899(20)30110-0 > > Their two models seem to ignore/exclude *my* model which is that for > many gun owners, there is a constant pressure toward acquiring more (or > at least new) weapons and the mass shootings trigger some level of > "permission" to expand or upgrade a personal arsenal. The counter > pressure could be familial/spousal or superego which needs to be > negotiated with to allow more resource to go into satisfying that > background pressure to acquire. The same thing applies to my relatives > who are knitters and quilters who use most any excuse for buying more > fabric/yarn. -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
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> I haven't followed it. Thanks. Looks like a cool service. You were my most likely "suspect" to already know about it, maybe Tom Johnson, but surely others. I don't know how I got on their e-mail list but I get some kind of announcement every few weeks. > > I like your idea re: an underlying impetus to continue pouring money into whatever hobby, including guns. Rather than "permission", though, I'd think it's more like some sort of *reminder* ... "Oh yeah, guns are cool. I should buy more." It's difficult to describe to a non-gun owner how cool it actually is. Even the time my slide ripped my ... web (?) between my index and thumb, similar to when you hook your earlobe with a fish hook, there's something viscerally satisfying about dangerous equipment ... welders, band saws, etc. Planers are the only ones that truly scare me, for some reason. Even the table saw is less intimidating. I guess I'd rather get my finger or hand chopped clean off than get a 1 mm layer scraped off. Maybe the lathe freaks me out a bit, I guess. I do think "danger" plays into the adrenal system which has it's own rewards. I know guns are amazing toys <erh... I mean.... uhhh...> tools, and have my own fascinations. Great action-at-a-distance... Great "equalizers"... Great "levers"... but I choose not to own guns because as I tell my gun-nut friends (with only a thin layer of dissemblage) "I probably would have used one by now". When you have a hammer (I mean loaded gun), everything looks like a nail (I mean target that needs a hole drilled through it or person that needs Killt!). I am taking back up archery after nearly 50 years, mostly because Mary took an interest when she discovered my antique bow, and because it is a "mechanism" I can construct myself from raw materials. A "stick thrower made from a stick" is pretty compelling and the technology of selecting and shaping a bow-stave is pretty simple yet requires or allows for a lot of subtlety... even moreso for arrows/fletching/points. I don't intend to shoot anything live with it... the thick wad of Amazon-Box cardboard is enough for me. I like your J. Cash quote? of "don't take your guns to town" for just that reason. Those of you who own and wield guns without risk of accidentally killing someone with them command my respect. I'm unlikely to kill anything with my bow by accident or even in the heat of the moment. Definitely not a good candidate for suicide! I agree that "reminder" is as powerful/likely as "permission", but last gun show I was at (helping my mother unload the (nearly unused) nickel-plated snub .38 my father bought for her 30 years ago) was right after Obama I, and the whole place was abuzz with how hard it was to buy this or that ammo (I think a lot were chattering about 9mm) and alternatively/contradictorally conspiracizing that Obama had already managed to restrict manufacturers, and that they were *all* hoarding themselves, and that the manufacturers were producing flat-out to keep up with their (hoarding) demand. One typical monologue might have been "I laaaike to keep at least 1000 rounds on hand 'just in case' but I'm thinkin' maybe 2 or 3 thousand is a better idea... iff'n I can find em!" or "I tole Mabel that even though she thinks I've already got too much, you just can't have enough when they'z a gonna come takem away from ya!" This is obviously caricature, but in a small-town (TorC, NM) fairgrounds setting, it isn't that far off the mark. And this year it was "Guns, Germs, and Toilet Paper" - COVID 19 era hoarding. BTW, I was recently reading up on close-quarters disarming of handgun wielders and the method-of-choice for a revolver apparently is to force the web of your thumb-finger between the hammer and the shell-casing... kindof an intentional version of your semi-auto ouch. The semi-auto interference of choice is a bit easier... to just grasp the whole thing firmly so the slide can't operate. I doubt I'll ever get to practice either of these, and if I did, I'd flub it badly and get drilled and powder-burned... at least it will likely be "through and through" and leave some heat/chemical cauterization of the wound while I wait to bleed to death. Why can't we all just be nice to one another? <damn bleedin' hart libral!> grumble, - Steve > > On 9/15/20 10:05 AM, Steve Smith wrote: >> Is anyone else watching this open publication: Cell Press/Patterns? >> >> https://www.cell.com/patterns/home >> >> I found the following paper on correlating firearm purchase/demand with >> mass shootings. >> >> https://www.cell.com/patterns/fulltext/S2666-3899(20)30110-0 >> >> Their two models seem to ignore/exclude *my* model which is that for >> many gun owners, there is a constant pressure toward acquiring more (or >> at least new) weapons and the mass shootings trigger some level of >> "permission" to expand or upgrade a personal arsenal. The counter >> pressure could be familial/spousal or superego which needs to be >> negotiated with to allow more resource to go into satisfying that >> background pressure to acquire. The same thing applies to my relatives >> who are knitters and quilters who use most any excuse for buying more >> fabric/yarn. > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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Re: guns and hobbies.
It is hunting season and every day several hundred hunters are passing through the store and conversing among themselves. Almost all of them are masked and 70-75% have pistols strapped to their hips (men and women). Bow hunting just ended and elk season started with guns for deer next week. Lots of conversation about bows and guns and laser sights, as you would expect among avid hobbyists. Less about the victims as only some of them manage to get horned prey. There is just as much conversation about the 3/4 Ton dually pick-up trucks guzzling $4/gal diesel — most with several thousand dollars worth of bling (like massive deer bumpers that could repel a charging rhino). Get a lot of fisherfolk as well, but none of the hobbyist conversations among them as there is with the hunters. Side note — probably something to do with global warming — fawns are being born the past two years as late as August. Really strange. davew On Tue, Sep 15, 2020, at 2:37 PM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > I haven't followed it. Thanks. Looks like a cool service. > > I like your idea re: an underlying impetus to continue pouring money > into whatever hobby, including guns. Rather than "permission", though, > I'd think it's more like some sort of *reminder* ... "Oh yeah, guns are > cool. I should buy more." It's difficult to describe to a non-gun owner > how cool it actually is. Even the time my slide ripped my ... web (?) > between my index and thumb, similar to when you hook your earlobe with > a fish hook, there's something viscerally satisfying about dangerous > equipment ... welders, band saws, etc. Planers are the only ones that > truly scare me, for some reason. Even the table saw is less > intimidating. I guess I'd rather get my finger or hand chopped clean > off than get a 1 mm layer scraped off. Maybe the lathe freaks me out a > bit, I guess. > > On 9/15/20 10:05 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > > Is anyone else watching this open publication: Cell Press/Patterns? > > > > https://www.cell.com/patterns/home > > > > I found the following paper on correlating firearm purchase/demand with > > mass shootings. > > > > https://www.cell.com/patterns/fulltext/S2666-3899(20)30110-0 > > > > Their two models seem to ignore/exclude *my* model which is that for > > many gun owners, there is a constant pressure toward acquiring more (or > > at least new) weapons and the mass shootings trigger some level of > > "permission" to expand or upgrade a personal arsenal. The counter > > pressure could be familial/spousal or superego which needs to be > > negotiated with to allow more resource to go into satisfying that > > background pressure to acquire. The same thing applies to my relatives > > who are knitters and quilters who use most any excuse for buying more > > fabric/yarn. > > > -- > ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
Don't take your guns (or ammo) to town...
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And I just can't stop ranting can I?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8736703/Trump-appointed-HHS-official-told-followers-buy-ammunition-election-apologizes.html Another whack-job Trump-sycophant-appointee going off like a mini loose cannon on deck... how in the world does one conflate "the public health interest" with telling people to "stock up on ammunition" because it will be hard to get. He was even subtle enough to say that "*when* Trump fails to stand down at the inauguration, the shooting will begin" with all the ambiguity and implied innuendo that Trump is famous for. Fails to stand down if he LOSES? And WHO will be doing the shooting? It is a setup to say he *might* refuse to stand down if he loses, and/or that his opponents will start a civil war if he WINS, and that either way, the "strong people" (Trump's phrase) "who have most of the guns" will take up arms and "put down" any opposition in vigilante/mob/militia/self-appointed-posse style? I can't register this kind of top-down "inciting to violence" as anything but yet another example of how much more threatening the RIGHT at least wants to appear and very likely IS than the Left. Reinoehl is very much the exception to the bias of Right vs Left vigilanteism. One might invoke the shooting in Compton as a Lefty shooting, or even BLM, but it reads a lot more like a neighborhood breakdown in the poor (mostly black, yes) population and local Law enforcement... I don't think any BLM or Lefties-at-Large or even AntiFa-identified individuals would endorse or enjoy such a blatant blindside attack (apparently) for no particular reason (14 month on-the-job rookies not as likely to have provoked specific/personal animosity as veterans). The local crowds heard jeering/cheering against law enforcement seem to represent the local antagonism that has grown between them and law enforcement. And then we have Trump describing/applauding Reinoehl's "apprehension by one-sided gunfire" as "Retribution". As Glen points out, his (apparent) shooting of a civilian "on the other side" absolutely required that he be apprehended, investigated, charged, tried, probably even sentenced... but the fact is nobody seems to know what *really happened* in either his shooting of someone, nor in the Marshalls', et al. shooting of him. Eye/Earwitness accounts of his "apprehension" seem to be "all over the place", but it seems to be agreed that Reinoehl did not fire a weapon, even if he WAS holding one (that is up for question) at the time of the "apprehension by gunfire". No body or dash cams of course, and that is apparently "standard practice" for Federal LEO.... hmmm? Especially in THESE times? I'm hoping/trusting that the Secret Service detail on Trump has not been subverted and if (when) he is defeated, it is THEY who will perp-walk him to Marine1 and fly him to his closes private resort to lick his wounds and get wound up on his next career as a Rush Limbaugh/Alex Jones wannabe (or whatever). </rant> - Steve >> GEPR> I like your idea re: an underlying impetus to continue pouring money into whatever hobby, including guns. Rather than "permission", though, I'd think it's more like some sort of *reminder* ... "Oh yeah, guns are cool. I should buy more." It's difficult to describe to a non-gun owner how cool it actually is. Even the time my slide ripped my ... web (?) between my index and thumb, similar to when you hook your earlobe with a fish hook, there's something viscerally satisfying about dangerous equipment ... welders, band saws, etc. Planers are the only ones that truly scare me, for some reason. Even the table saw is less intimidating. I guess I'd rather get my finger or hand chopped clean off than get a 1 mm layer scraped off. Maybe the lathe freaks me out a bit, I guess. > SASSAFRASS> I do think "danger" plays into the adrenal system which has it's own > rewards. > > I know guns are amazing toys <erh... I mean.... uhhh...> tools, and have > my own fascinations. Great action-at-a-distance... Great > "equalizers"... Great "levers"... but I choose not to own guns because > as I tell my gun-nut friends (with only a thin layer of dissemblage) "I > probably would have used one by now". When you have a hammer (I mean > loaded gun), everything looks like a nail (I mean target that needs a > hole drilled through it or person that needs Killt!). > > I am taking back up archery after nearly 50 years, mostly because Mary > took an interest when she discovered my antique bow, and because it is a > "mechanism" I can construct myself from raw materials. A "stick > thrower made from a stick" is pretty compelling and the technology of > selecting and shaping a bow-stave is pretty simple yet requires or > allows for a lot of subtlety... even moreso for > arrows/fletching/points. I don't intend to shoot anything live with > it... the thick wad of Amazon-Box cardboard is enough for me. > > I like your J. Cash quote? of "don't take your guns to town" for just > that reason. Those of you who own and wield guns without risk of > accidentally killing someone with them command my respect. I'm > unlikely to kill anything with my bow by accident or even in the heat of > the moment. Definitely not a good candidate for suicide! > > I agree that "reminder" is as powerful/likely as "permission", but last > gun show I was at (helping my mother unload the (nearly unused) > nickel-plated snub .38 my father bought for her 30 years ago) was right > after Obama I, and the whole place was abuzz with how hard it was to buy > this or that ammo (I think a lot were chattering about 9mm) and > alternatively/contradictorally conspiracizing that Obama had already > managed to restrict manufacturers, and that they were *all* hoarding > themselves, and that the manufacturers were producing flat-out to keep > up with their (hoarding) demand. One typical monologue might have been > "I laaaike to keep at least 1000 rounds on hand 'just in case' but I'm > thinkin' maybe 2 or 3 thousand is a better idea... iff'n I can find em!" > or "I tole Mabel that even though she thinks I've already got too much, > you just can't have enough when they'z a gonna come takem away from > ya!" This is obviously caricature, but in a small-town (TorC, NM) > fairgrounds setting, it isn't that far off the mark. > > And this year it was "Guns, Germs, and Toilet Paper" - COVID 19 era > hoarding. > > BTW, I was recently reading up on close-quarters disarming of handgun > wielders and the method-of-choice for a revolver apparently is to force > the web of your thumb-finger between the hammer and the shell-casing... > kindof an intentional version of your semi-auto ouch. The semi-auto > interference of choice is a bit easier... to just grasp the whole thing > firmly so the slide can't operate. I doubt I'll ever get to practice > either of these, and if I did, I'd flub it badly and get drilled and > powder-burned... at least it will likely be "through and through" and > leave some heat/chemical cauterization of the wound while I wait to > bleed to death. > > Why can't we all just be nice to one another? <damn bleedin' hart libral!> > > grumble, > > - Steve > >> On 9/15/20 10:05 AM, Steve Smith wrote: >>> Is anyone else watching this open publication: Cell Press/Patterns? >>> >>> https://www.cell.com/patterns/home >>> >>> I found the following paper on correlating firearm purchase/demand with >>> mass shootings. >>> >>> https://www.cell.com/patterns/fulltext/S2666-3899(20)30110-0 >>> >>> Their two models seem to ignore/exclude *my* model which is that for >>> many gun owners, there is a constant pressure toward acquiring more (or >>> at least new) weapons and the mass shootings trigger some level of >>> "permission" to expand or upgrade a personal arsenal. The counter >>> pressure could be familial/spousal or superego which needs to be >>> negotiated with to allow more resource to go into satisfying that >>> background pressure to acquire. The same thing applies to my relatives >>> who are knitters and quilters who use most any excuse for buying more >>> fabric/yarn. > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
Re: Don't take your guns (or ammo) to town...
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They are understandably terrified of what will happen to them when the party is over. Would Trump even bother or remember to issue pardons for everyone that will need one?
-----Original Message----- From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:46 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: [FRIAM] Don't take your guns (or ammo) to town... And I just can't stop ranting can I? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8736703/Trump-appointed-HHS-official-told-followers-buy-ammunition-election-apologizes.html Another whack-job Trump-sycophant-appointee going off like a mini loose cannon on deck... how in the world does one conflate "the public health interest" with telling people to "stock up on ammunition" because it will be hard to get. He was even subtle enough to say that "*when* Trump fails to stand down at the inauguration, the shooting will begin" with all the ambiguity and implied innuendo that Trump is famous for. Fails to stand down if he LOSES? And WHO will be doing the shooting? It is a setup to say he *might* refuse to stand down if he loses, and/or that his opponents will start a civil war if he WINS, and that either way, the "strong people" (Trump's phrase) "who have most of the guns" will take up arms and "put down" any opposition in vigilante/mob/militia/self-appointed-posse style? I can't register this kind of top-down "inciting to violence" as anything but yet another example of how much more threatening the RIGHT at least wants to appear and very likely IS than the Left. Reinoehl is very much the exception to the bias of Right vs Left vigilanteism. One might invoke the shooting in Compton as a Lefty shooting, or even BLM, but it reads a lot more like a neighborhood breakdown in the poor (mostly black, yes) population and local Law enforcement... I don't think any BLM or Lefties-at-Large or even AntiFa-identified individuals would endorse or enjoy such a blatant blindside attack (apparently) for no particular reason (14 month on-the-job rookies not as likely to have provoked specific/personal animosity as veterans). The local crowds heard jeering/cheering against law enforcement seem to represent the local antagonism that has grown between them and law enforcement. And then we have Trump describing/applauding Reinoehl's "apprehension by one-sided gunfire" as "Retribution". As Glen points out, his (apparent) shooting of a civilian "on the other side" absolutely required that he be apprehended, investigated, charged, tried, probably even sentenced... but the fact is nobody seems to know what *really happened* in either his shooting of someone, nor in the Marshalls', et al. shooting of him. Eye/Earwitness accounts of his "apprehension" seem to be "all over the place", but it seems to be agreed that Reinoehl did not fire a weapon, even if he WAS holding one (that is up for question) at the time of the "apprehension by gunfire". No body or dash cams of course, and that is apparently "standard practice" for Federal LEO.... hmmm? Especially in THESE times? I'm hoping/trusting that the Secret Service detail on Trump has not been subverted and if (when) he is defeated, it is THEY who will perp-walk him to Marine1 and fly him to his closes private resort to lick his wounds and get wound up on his next career as a Rush Limbaugh/Alex Jones wannabe (or whatever). </rant> - Steve >> GEPR> I like your idea re: an underlying impetus to continue pouring money into whatever hobby, including guns. Rather than "permission", though, I'd think it's more like some sort of *reminder* ... "Oh yeah, guns are cool. I should buy more." It's difficult to describe to a non-gun owner how cool it actually is. Even the time my slide ripped my ... web (?) between my index and thumb, similar to when you hook your earlobe with a fish hook, there's something viscerally satisfying about dangerous equipment ... welders, band saws, etc. Planers are the only ones that truly scare me, for some reason. Even the table saw is less intimidating. I guess I'd rather get my finger or hand chopped clean off than get a 1 mm layer scraped off. Maybe the lathe freaks me out a bit, I guess. > SASSAFRASS> I do think "danger" plays into the adrenal system which > SASSAFRASS> has it's own > rewards. > > I know guns are amazing toys <erh... I mean.... uhhh...> tools, and > have my own fascinations. Great action-at-a-distance... Great > "equalizers"... Great "levers"... but I choose not to own guns > because as I tell my gun-nut friends (with only a thin layer of > dissemblage) "I probably would have used one by now". When you have > a hammer (I mean loaded gun), everything looks like a nail (I mean > target that needs a hole drilled through it or person that needs Killt!). > > I am taking back up archery after nearly 50 years, mostly because Mary > took an interest when she discovered my antique bow, and because it is > a "mechanism" I can construct myself from raw materials. A "stick > thrower made from a stick" is pretty compelling and the technology of > selecting and shaping a bow-stave is pretty simple yet requires or > allows for a lot of subtlety... even moreso for > arrows/fletching/points. I don't intend to shoot anything live with > it... the thick wad of Amazon-Box cardboard is enough for me. > > I like your J. Cash quote? of "don't take your guns to town" for just > that reason. Those of you who own and wield guns without risk of > accidentally killing someone with them command my respect. I'm > unlikely to kill anything with my bow by accident or even in the heat > of the moment. Definitely not a good candidate for suicide! > > I agree that "reminder" is as powerful/likely as "permission", but > last gun show I was at (helping my mother unload the (nearly unused) > nickel-plated snub .38 my father bought for her 30 years ago) was > right after Obama I, and the whole place was abuzz with how hard it > was to buy this or that ammo (I think a lot were chattering about 9mm) > and alternatively/contradictorally conspiracizing that Obama had > already managed to restrict manufacturers, and that they were *all* > hoarding themselves, and that the manufacturers were producing > flat-out to keep up with their (hoarding) demand. One typical > monologue might have been "I laaaike to keep at least 1000 rounds on > hand 'just in case' but I'm thinkin' maybe 2 or 3 thousand is a better idea... iff'n I can find em!" > or "I tole Mabel that even though she thinks I've already got too > much, you just can't have enough when they'z a gonna come takem away > from ya!" This is obviously caricature, but in a small-town (TorC, > NM) fairgrounds setting, it isn't that far off the mark. > > And this year it was "Guns, Germs, and Toilet Paper" - COVID 19 era > hoarding. > > BTW, I was recently reading up on close-quarters disarming of handgun > wielders and the method-of-choice for a revolver apparently is to > force the web of your thumb-finger between the hammer and the shell-casing... > kindof an intentional version of your semi-auto ouch. The semi-auto > interference of choice is a bit easier... to just grasp the whole > thing firmly so the slide can't operate. I doubt I'll ever get to > practice either of these, and if I did, I'd flub it badly and get > drilled and powder-burned... at least it will likely be "through and > through" and leave some heat/chemical cauterization of the wound while > I wait to bleed to death. > > Why can't we all just be nice to one another? <damn bleedin' hart > libral!> > > grumble, > > - Steve > >> On 9/15/20 10:05 AM, Steve Smith wrote: >>> Is anyone else watching this open publication: Cell Press/Patterns? >>> >>> https://www.cell.com/patterns/home >>> >>> I found the following paper on correlating firearm purchase/demand >>> with mass shootings. >>> >>> https://www.cell.com/patterns/fulltext/S2666-3899(20)30110-0 >>> >>> Their two models seem to ignore/exclude *my* model which is that for >>> many gun owners, there is a constant pressure toward acquiring more >>> (or at least new) weapons and the mass shootings trigger some level >>> of "permission" to expand or upgrade a personal arsenal. The >>> counter pressure could be familial/spousal or superego which needs >>> to be negotiated with to allow more resource to go into satisfying >>> that background pressure to acquire. The same thing applies to my >>> relatives who are knitters and quilters who use most any excuse for >>> buying more fabric/yarn. > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn > GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . 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I got into an argument with a friend who's starting a company this morning. He expressed that he wants to design a workplace where everyone can enjoy working there, be themselves at work, etc. In my usual @sshole mode, I objected. What if one of your employees is a devout evangelical, who regards converting people to Christianity as part of "being themselves"? Spends her time in the break room asking people to give themselves to the Lord and pray with her. ... I regard that as a fireable offense. It's as unprofessional as walking around the office in your underwear.
In that context comes the task of policing ourselves. Sure, maybe a bunch of bros form a company and love to degrade women, calling each other "pvssy" if they don't "man up" in some code sprint or whatever. It's the responsibility of the Bro CEO to tell his bros to stop doing that, to fire them when they do it. Self-policing is important, which is why I'm so happy they went after Reinoehl so fast and hard, *because* he's fvcked up my ability to call myself Antifa, just like the right has stolen the word "libertarian" from me. Danielson is just another Trump moron. I don't much care what happens to him because he's not in my group. I try to hold my group to a higher standard, even though I fail constantly. If that group would show even the *slightest* attempt to self-police, like the Lincoln Project and Republican Voters Against Trump, I'd hold them in higher esteem. Is this a rant? Should I say it more sedately in order to make it look like more of a learned piece of wisdom? I honestly have no idea. On 9/16/20 11:09 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > They are understandably terrified of what will happen to them when the party is over. Would Trump even bother or remember to issue pardons for everyone that will need one? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Steve Smith > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:46 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [FRIAM] Don't take your guns (or ammo) to town... > > And I just can't stop ranting can I? > > > https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8736703/Trump-appointed-HHS-official-told-followers-buy-ammunition-election-apologizes.html > > Another whack-job Trump-sycophant-appointee going off like a mini loose cannon on deck... how in the world does one conflate "the public health interest" with telling people to "stock up on ammunition" because it will be hard to get. > > He was even subtle enough to say that "*when* Trump fails to stand down at the inauguration, the shooting will begin" with all the ambiguity and implied innuendo that Trump is famous for. Fails to stand down if he LOSES? And WHO will be doing the shooting? It is a setup to say he > *might* refuse to stand down if he loses, and/or that his opponents will start a civil war if he WINS, and that either way, the "strong people" > (Trump's phrase) "who have most of the guns" will take up arms and "put down" any opposition in vigilante/mob/militia/self-appointed-posse style? > > I can't register this kind of top-down "inciting to violence" as anything but yet another example of how much more threatening the RIGHT at least wants to appear and very likely IS than the Left. Reinoehl is very much the exception to the bias of Right vs Left vigilanteism. One might invoke the shooting in Compton as a Lefty shooting, or even BLM, but it reads a lot more like a neighborhood breakdown in the poor (mostly black, yes) population and local Law enforcement... I don't think any BLM or Lefties-at-Large or even AntiFa-identified individuals would endorse or enjoy such a blatant blindside attack (apparently) for no particular reason (14 month on-the-job rookies not as likely to have provoked specific/personal animosity as veterans). The local crowds heard jeering/cheering against law enforcement seem to represent the local antagonism that has grown between them and law enforcement. > > And then we have Trump describing/applauding Reinoehl's "apprehension by one-sided gunfire" as "Retribution". As Glen points out, his (apparent) shooting of a civilian "on the other side" absolutely required that he be apprehended, investigated, charged, tried, probably even sentenced... > but the fact is nobody seems to know what *really happened* in either his shooting of someone, nor in the Marshalls', et al. shooting of him. Eye/Earwitness accounts of his "apprehension" seem to be "all over the place", but it seems to be agreed that Reinoehl did not fire a weapon, even if he WAS holding one (that is up for question) at the time of the "apprehension by gunfire". No body or dash cams of course, and that is apparently "standard practice" for Federal LEO.... hmmm? Especially in THESE times? > > I'm hoping/trusting that the Secret Service detail on Trump has not been subverted and if (when) he is defeated, it is THEY who will perp-walk him to Marine1 and fly him to his closes private resort to lick his wounds and get wound up on his next career as a Rush Limbaugh/Alex Jones wannabe (or whatever). > > </rant> -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
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In my neighborhood somewhat hijacked a LED street sign to say "Riot's work". If it is just the 2nd amendment types barging into the capitols with their guns, then the danger will be perceived as one-sided.
-----Original Message----- From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of u?l? ??? Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 11:55 AM To: FriAM <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Don't take your guns (or ammo) to town... I got into an argument with a friend who's starting a company this morning. He expressed that he wants to design a workplace where everyone can enjoy working there, be themselves at work, etc. In my usual @sshole mode, I objected. What if one of your employees is a devout evangelical, who regards converting people to Christianity as part of "being themselves"? Spends her time in the break room asking people to give themselves to the Lord and pray with her. ... I regard that as a fireable offense. It's as unprofessional as walking around the office in your underwear. In that context comes the task of policing ourselves. Sure, maybe a bunch of bros form a company and love to degrade women, calling each other "pvssy" if they don't "man up" in some code sprint or whatever. It's the responsibility of the Bro CEO to tell his bros to stop doing that, to fire them when they do it. Self-policing is important, which is why I'm so happy they went after Reinoehl so fast and hard, *because* he's fvcked up my ability to call myself Antifa, just like the right has stolen the word "libertarian" from me. Danielson is just another Trump moron. I don't much care what happens to him because he's not in my group. I try to hold my group to a higher standard, even though I fail constantly. If that group would show even the *slightest* attempt to self-police, like the Lincoln Project and Republican Voters Against Trump, I'd hold them in higher esteem. Is this a rant? Should I say it more sedately in order to make it look like more of a learned piece of wisdom? I honestly have no idea. On 9/16/20 11:09 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > They are understandably terrified of what will happen to them when the party is over. Would Trump even bother or remember to issue pardons for everyone that will need one? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Steve Smith > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:46 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [FRIAM] Don't take your guns (or ammo) to town... > > And I just can't stop ranting can I? > > > https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8736703/Trump-appointed-HHS-o > fficial-told-followers-buy-ammunition-election-apologizes.html > > Another whack-job Trump-sycophant-appointee going off like a mini loose cannon on deck... how in the world does one conflate "the public health interest" with telling people to "stock up on ammunition" because it will be hard to get. > > He was even subtle enough to say that "*when* Trump fails to stand > down at the inauguration, the shooting will begin" with all the > ambiguity and implied innuendo that Trump is famous for. Fails to > stand down if he LOSES? And WHO will be doing the shooting? It is a > setup to say he > *might* refuse to stand down if he loses, and/or that his opponents will start a civil war if he WINS, and that either way, the "strong people" > (Trump's phrase) "who have most of the guns" will take up arms and "put down" any opposition in vigilante/mob/militia/self-appointed-posse style? > > I can't register this kind of top-down "inciting to violence" as anything but yet another example of how much more threatening the RIGHT at least wants to appear and very likely IS than the Left. Reinoehl is very much the exception to the bias of Right vs Left vigilanteism. One might invoke the shooting in Compton as a Lefty shooting, or even BLM, but it reads a lot more like a neighborhood breakdown in the poor (mostly black, yes) population and local Law enforcement... I don't think any BLM or Lefties-at-Large or even AntiFa-identified individuals would endorse or enjoy such a blatant blindside attack (apparently) for no particular reason (14 month on-the-job rookies not as likely to have provoked specific/personal animosity as veterans). The local crowds heard jeering/cheering against law enforcement seem to represent the local antagonism that has grown between them and law enforcement. > > And then we have Trump describing/applauding Reinoehl's "apprehension by one-sided gunfire" as "Retribution". As Glen points out, his (apparent) shooting of a civilian "on the other side" absolutely required that he be apprehended, investigated, charged, tried, probably even sentenced... > but the fact is nobody seems to know what *really happened* in either his shooting of someone, nor in the Marshalls', et al. shooting of him. Eye/Earwitness accounts of his "apprehension" seem to be "all over the place", but it seems to be agreed that Reinoehl did not fire a weapon, even if he WAS holding one (that is up for question) at the time of the "apprehension by gunfire". No body or dash cams of course, and that is apparently "standard practice" for Federal LEO.... hmmm? Especially in THESE times? > > I'm hoping/trusting that the Secret Service detail on Trump has not been subverted and if (when) he is defeated, it is THEY who will perp-walk him to Marine1 and fly him to his closes private resort to lick his wounds and get wound up on his next career as a Rush Limbaugh/Alex Jones wannabe (or whatever). > > </rant> -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . 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I can't find it now. But some outlet argued that state-sponsored violence positively reinforced empathy for the victim and negatively reinforced empathy for the police and state. And riot-violence positively reinforced empathy for the police and state and negatively reinforced opinions of the rioters. I don't believe it (yet) because it makes too much *sense* to be an actual result. Sounds like rationalization or confirmation bias.
But if it's true, then riots do work ... to bolster a fascist state. Rioters who call themselves "anarchists" are either tools of the fascists or just too stupid to understand what they're doing. Actual anarchists would not riot. On 9/16/20 12:17 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > In my neighborhood somewhat hijacked a LED street sign to say "Riot's work". If it is just the 2nd amendment types barging into the capitols with their guns, then the danger will be perceived as one-sided. -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
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I think it probably depends on the time horizon. While the social wound is healing it probably helps the authoritarians, in the long run there is memory. Counting on empathy at all seems pretty iffy to me. It depends where one sits in the socio-economic scheme of things and how you see the future. I would just replace the your recommendation of group-self-policing with self-modulating. Invoke chaos when chaos will be untenable to stop by force -- when it is in fact terrifying to those in power to have it continue.
It definitely makes me think every time I drive by the local hardware store and still see it boarded up with plywood -- the plywood now covered with graffiti. It makes me speculate about the guilty conscience of the owners, actually. The movie theater across the street put up a Black Lives Matter sign on the marquee, and nothing happened to them. This is reptile brain stuff, but I think it has an impact. -----Original Message----- From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of u?l? ??? Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:36 PM To: FriAM <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Don't take your guns (or ammo) to town... I can't find it now. But some outlet argued that state-sponsored violence positively reinforced empathy for the victim and negatively reinforced empathy for the police and state. And riot-violence positively reinforced empathy for the police and state and negatively reinforced opinions of the rioters. I don't believe it (yet) because it makes too much *sense* to be an actual result. Sounds like rationalization or confirmation bias. But if it's true, then riots do work ... to bolster a fascist state. Rioters who call themselves "anarchists" are either tools of the fascists or just too stupid to understand what they're doing. Actual anarchists would not riot. On 9/16/20 12:17 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > In my neighborhood somewhat hijacked a LED street sign to say "Riot's work". If it is just the 2nd amendment types barging into the capitols with their guns, then the danger will be perceived as one-sided. -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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I inherited or received as gifts six firearms (rifles and pistols) from the previous generation of my family. They were ranchers, farmers, or railroad workers at various times in their lives. I would be happy to sell the whole lot. It may be the case that a sale of any of them would have to be done in connection with an investigation of the buyer's possible criminal background. Does anyone know? I can call the police if a buyer appears. They are all now in a very secure safe since I live with a young boy with an intense interest in guns and combat. He watches videos made by high school and college students and plays video games almost all of which have combat modes. I wishi it were possible to assess the association of such games and videos with violent criminal activity later in life. If that were possible would it affect their availability? On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 1:48 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote: I think it probably depends on the time horizon. While the social wound is healing it probably helps the authoritarians, in the long run there is memory. Counting on empathy at all seems pretty iffy to me. It depends where one sits in the socio-economic scheme of things and how you see the future. I would just replace the your recommendation of group-self-policing with self-modulating. Invoke chaos when chaos will be untenable to stop by force -- when it is in fact terrifying to those in power to have it continue. Frank Wimberly
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Frank - I think you just missed the Santa Fe City/County firearms
"buyback" which has some charms (though I think they are
constrained to always destroy the weapons, which may contradict
some particular antique value of one or the other). I DO think firearms of the type you likely inherited (pre 1950
manufacture?) are for the most part, not in the problematic
class... According to Wikipedia, NM does require background checks on private purchases... it would probably be easier for you to sell to a gun dealer, possibly at a gun show. Such a person would at least understand the collectible value of what you have, whether they pay a fair price for it or not (guy's gotta make a profit?). My own values suggest that A) you make sure the firearms don't get abused in this modern gun-crazy culture; B) make sure that any familial sentimentality is not violated (sounds like that phase has already been passed); C) make sure any particularly interesting vintage pieces make their way to proper collector/museum hands. Roughly in that order. They could also be rendered inoperable such that it would require a gunsmith to return them to fireable condition. I'm guessing in all cases, removing or filing down a firing pin is the method. While I often imply (maybe even boldly state?) That I do not own
any firearms, I AM the curator of two revolvers handed down to me,
I just deliberately don't maintain any ammunition, nor do I
fetishize them (as cool of mechanisms as they are when inspected
closely). I DID incorporate the (very slightly damaged) barrel
of my Grandfather's service .45 (replaced by my father during his
tenure with it) into an art piece about "action at a distance"...
cartography and ballistic weapons..
When closing down my parents house after my dad died and my
mother opted for an assisted living lifestyle, his two *rifles*
went missing. I did not know precisely where they were stored,
but had an idea and sought them out first to make sure they didn't
"get loose". Both were fairly innocuous... the first being my
Grandfather's *other* WWI service weapon (30.06 bolt-action
single-shot used by my father as a deer rifle with open sights)
and the other being a 20 guage shotgun my father took in trade
from a colleague early in his career but never really used... He
had let go of a .22 plinking rifle somewhere in his retirement, so
I didn't have to look for that. The revolvers and a tiny (by
most people's measure) cache of ammunition (at least a decade
stale by that time) were nearby but the likely thief (someone who
had done some work/help for my parents who had access to the
building and must have seen the weapons) didn't find. While
either of the weapons "lost" could be used to threaten, harm or
kill someone, they are nothing compared to the now-popular
assault-style semi-automatics and combat (12ga) shotguns. My
father taught me the basics of firearms handling and safety and
sent me through an NRA sponsored course around age 13 which I am
thankful for. I handled his weapons enough during that time to
become moderately proficient and familiar but I suspect I'm more
accurate with my bow or a rock than I would be with a firearm. I don't know what to offer about your youngster who is being
indoctrinated into gun violence/combat by the popular culture...
I myself can be seduced by the action shows and some aspects of
strong action-oriented computer-video games... with "action" as a
euphemism for *aggressive violence* I suppose. I believe that we,
as a culture, are rather unhealthy in a number of dimensions, this
being one of the more acutely obvious (to some of us) ones. Good on you for caring enough to do right by this issue. - Steve
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Frank, I also wonder how many of these boogaloo boys were trained to fight through video games, and are just looking for a real life outlet for their thousands of hours of "training". Does it harm a society to have a large portion of the population trained in war fighting? I see them like the extra white blood cells in a body during an allergic reaction. It is important for a human body to regulate defensive cells so that they don't destroy healthy cells. Cody Smith On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 3:34 PM Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Yeah, I've wondered if, say, a Wells Fargo building places a BLM sign in their window, whether that would impact whether they were vandalized. It depends in a fundamental way on the 'theory of mind' or mind-reading capabilities of the rioter. To what extent is such a sign mere lip service vs an authentic gesture? I'd be a bit ashamed if lip service were adequate.
On September 16, 2020 12:48:29 PM PDT, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote: > >It definitely makes me think every time I drive by the local hardware >store and still see it boarded up with plywood -- the plywood now >covered with graffiti. It makes me speculate about the guilty >conscience of the owners, actually. The movie theater across the >street put up a Black Lives Matter sign on the marquee, and nothing >happened to them. > >This is reptile brain stuff, but I think it has an impact. -- glen ⛧ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
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Barbara Bush was said to have evolved in her thinking on various issues.[1] Biden has followed trends too.
Should past beliefs and actions make it impossible to accept progress provided the change is enduring? A riot (say) could serve to make people remember and recognize the cost structure associated with a policy or norm. "Oh sh*t, this is important, I need to pay attention." [1] https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/04/a-visit-with-barbara-bush/558362/ -----Original Message----- From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of ? glen Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 5:12 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Don't take your guns (or ammo) to town... Yeah, I've wondered if, say, a Wells Fargo building places a BLM sign in their window, whether that would impact whether they were vandalized. It depends in a fundamental way on the 'theory of mind' or mind-reading capabilities of the rioter. To what extent is such a sign mere lip service vs an authentic gesture? I'd be a bit ashamed if lip service were adequate. On September 16, 2020 12:48:29 PM PDT, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote: > >It definitely makes me think every time I drive by the local hardware >store and still see it boarded up with plywood -- the plywood now >covered with graffiti. It makes me speculate about the guilty >conscience of the owners, actually. The movie theater across the >street put up a Black Lives Matter sign on the marquee, and nothing >happened to them. > >This is reptile brain stuff, but I think it has an impact. -- glen ⛧ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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Thanks, Steve. The only one that even approaches being semi-auto is a double-action .22 revolver. The rest are old-fashioned lever or bolt action. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 3:34 PM Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
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