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thompnickson2

Can you do this? HTML required.

So the idea is that you hear the list, then you repeat it, then you repeat it again.

Then you do something entirely else for five minute. Write an email on philosophy? Do a page of your income tax form? Make a telephone call? After a few of these distractions, Now try to remember the number.

Let me know what your experience was and then I will explain where this comes from, if you don’t already know. If you DO already know, don’t give away the secret until others have had a crack at it.

Nick

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gepr

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Ha! I did it twice then watched another anti-masker video (where the lady claimed that *be-cause* pants don't prevent you from smelling farts, masks won't protect you from COVID-19). The only word I got after the anti-masker video was "velvet". My excuse is that YOU confused me from the get-go with your "remember the number". 8^D

On 7/21/20 10:58 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
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> So the idea is that you hear the list, then you repeat it, then you repeat it again.
>
> Then you do something entirely else for five minute. Write an email on philosophy? Do a page of your income tax form? Make a telephone call? After a few of these distractions, Now try to remember the number.
>
> Let me know what your experience was and then I will explain where this comes from, if you don’t already know. If you DO already know, don’t give away the secret until others have had a crack at it.

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thompnickson2

Re: Can you do this? HTML required.

Sorry, Glen. Crap! Remember the list of words.

I won't say more, now. Try it, people, and get back to me with your data.

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Ha! I did it twice then watched another anti-masker video (where the lady claimed that *be-cause* pants don't prevent you from smelling farts, masks won't protect you from COVID-19). The only word I got after the anti-masker video was "velvet". My excuse is that YOU confused me from the get-go with your "remember the number". 8^D

On 7/21/20 10:58 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
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> So the idea is that you hear the list, then you repeat it, then you
> repeat it again.
>
> Then you do something entirely else for five minute. Write an email
> on philosophy? Do a page of your income tax form? Make a telephone call? After a few of these distractions, Now try to remember the number.
>
> Let me know what your experience was and then I will explain where this comes from, if you don’t already know. If you DO already know, don’t give away the secret until others have had a crack at it.

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Frank Wimberly-2

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I go five after making lunch. But I said it subvocally many times before starting lunch preparation. Does that count?

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On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 11:59 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:

So the idea is that you hear the list, then you repeat it, then you repeat it again.

Then you do something entirely else for five minute. Write an email on philosophy? Do a page of your income tax form? Make a telephone call? After a few of these distractions, Now try to remember the number.

Let me know what your experience was and then I will explain where this comes from, if you don’t already know. If you DO already know, don’t give away the secret until others have had a crack at it.

Nick

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thompnickson2

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Can you do it now?

Nicholas Thompson

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From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
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I go five after making lunch. But I said it subvocally many times before starting lunch preparation. Does that count?

---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 11:59 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:

So the idea is that you hear the list, then you repeat it, then you repeat it again.

Then you do something entirely else for five minute. Write an email on philosophy? Do a page of your income tax form? Make a telephone call? After a few of these distractions, Now try to remember the number.

Let me know what your experience was and then I will explain where this comes from, if you don’t already know. If you DO already know, don’t give away the secret until others have had a crack at it.

Nick

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
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Frank Wimberly-2

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Are you asking me? Face, red, church, velvet. ???

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505 670-9918
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 12:45 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:

Can you do it now?

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 12:42 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can you do this? HTML required.

I go five after making lunch. But I said it subvocally many times before starting lunch preparation. Does that count?
---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 11:59 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:

So the idea is that you hear the list, then you repeat it, then you repeat it again.

Then you do something entirely else for five minute. Write an email on philosophy? Do a page of your income tax form? Make a telephone call? After a few of these distractions, Now try to remember the number.

Let me know what your experience was and then I will explain where this comes from, if you don’t already know. If you DO already know, don’t give away the secret until others have had a crack at it.

Nick

Nicholas Thompson
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thompnickson2

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Thanks. Anybody else? I need more data.

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

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From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 1:09 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can you do this? HTML required.

Are you asking me? Face, red, church, velvet. ???

---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 12:45 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:

Can you do it now?

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 12:42 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can you do this? HTML required.

I go five after making lunch. But I said it subvocally many times before starting lunch preparation. Does that count?
---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 11:59 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:

So the idea is that you hear the list, then you repeat it, then you repeat it again.

Then you do something entirely else for five minute. Write an email on philosophy? Do a page of your income tax form? Make a telephone call? After a few of these distractions, Now try to remember the number.

Let me know what your experience was and then I will explain where this comes from, if you don’t already know. If you DO already know, don’t give away the secret until others have had a crack at it.

Nick

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cody dooderson

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After reading Glen's reply I came up with a mnemonic, "Fart Vapor Can Distract Republicans"

Of course, now I can not remember now what the F stands for. Maybe "Fart Velvet Church Daisy Red"

Cody Smith

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 1:15 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks. Anybody else? I need more data.

N

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 1:09 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can you do this? HTML required.

Are you asking me? Face, red, church, velvet. ???
---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 12:45 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:
Can you do it now?

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 12:42 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can you do this? HTML required.

I go five after making lunch. But I said it subvocally many times before starting lunch preparation. Does that count?
---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 11:59 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:

So the idea is that you hear the list, then you repeat it, then you repeat it again.

Then you do something entirely else for five minute. Write an email on philosophy? Do a page of your income tax form? Make a telephone call? After a few of these distractions, Now try to remember the number.

Let me know what your experience was and then I will explain where this comes from, if you don’t already know. If you DO already know, don’t give away the secret until others have had a crack at it.

Nick

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
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thompnickson2

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“face”

Nicholas Thompson

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From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of cody dooderson
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 1:53 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can you do this? HTML required.

After reading Glen's reply I came up with a mnemonic, "Fart Vapor Can Distract Republicans"

Of course, now I can not remember now what the F stands for. Maybe "Fart Velvet Church Daisy Red"

Cody Smith

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 1:15 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks. Anybody else? I need more data.

N

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 1:09 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can you do this? HTML required.

Are you asking me? Face, red, church, velvet. ???
---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 12:45 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:
Can you do it now?

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 12:42 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can you do this? HTML required.

I go five after making lunch. But I said it subvocally many times before starting lunch preparation. Does that count?
---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 11:59 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:

So the idea is that you hear the list, then you repeat it, then you repeat it again.

Then you do something entirely else for five minute. Write an email on philosophy? Do a page of your income tax form? Make a telephone call? After a few of these distractions, Now try to remember the number.

Let me know what your experience was and then I will explain where this comes from, if you don’t already know. If you DO already know, don’t give away the secret until others have had a crack at it.

Nick

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
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David Eric Smith

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In reply to this post by cody dooderson

Cody’s observation gives a nice branch to Alexander Luria’s The Mind of a Mnemonist.

Patient S (I think real name Shevashensky) was a perfect-memory person (I forget autistic or not, but yes synaesthesic), whose life was not very functional but who made a living to some degree as a memory performer.

For a long time he did the things people could respond to, which were the semantically ordinary things: sentences or events etc. Those are the things people find interesting, and it took the world a while to get bored seeing someone do reliably what they could not at all.

Only relatively late in his career did the performances become more technocratic, in the sense of wondering how much one could change the objects remembered and still preserve the effect. So he would start to perform repeating long lists of randomly generated meaningless syllables. Ta dee dah do si etc.

In order to do this he would invent these incredibly rich semantic narratives in the memorization phase, to wrap around each syllable. Makes me think of Peter Gacs’s automaton that has lots of scaffolding to carry a small number of cells in which you can store arbitrary bits. Synaesthesia was really central to making that construction capable of carrying the long lists.

Anyway, he could do it, but one gets the impression reading Luria that there was this enormous cognitive engine, running at higher and higher over-clocking, to produce ever more empty, slowly delivered, strings of syllables.

I believe Daniel Tammet describes reciting digits of pi in their color, shape, and size packages, but I don’t think I recall hearing him say there are narratives of the same kind Shevashensky constructed.

Eric

On Jul 22, 2020, at 4:53 AM, cody dooderson <[hidden email]> wrote:

After reading Glen's reply I came up with a mnemonic, "Fart Vapor Can Distract Republicans"
Of course, now I can not remember now what the F stands for. Maybe "Fart Velvet Church Daisy Red"

Cody Smith

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 1:15 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks. Anybody else? I need more data.

N

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 1:09 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can you do this? HTML required.

Are you asking me? Face, red, church, velvet. ???
---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 12:45 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:
Can you do it now?

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 12:42 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can you do this? HTML required.

I go five after making lunch. But I said it subvocally many times before starting lunch preparation. Does that count?
---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 11:59 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:

So the idea is that you hear the list, then you repeat it, then you repeat it again.

Then you do something entirely else for five minute. Write an email on philosophy? Do a page of your income tax form? Make a telephone call? After a few of these distractions, Now try to remember the number.

Let me know what your experience was and then I will explain where this comes from, if you don’t already know. If you DO already know, don’t give away the secret until others have had a crack at it.

Nick

Nicholas Thompson
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Re: Can you do this? HTML required.

FWIW, I just did it with my 13 year old grand daughter. I did not tell her what I was going to ask her in five minutes, and when I called back to get her to recall, I asked her all sorts of distracting questions about what she had been doing in the meantime, before I asked for the list of words. Anyway, she reeled them off effortlessly. Debriefed, she confessed to having done some rehearsal.

Without memnonics, I can’t do it at all.

Nick

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From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of David Eric Smith
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Cody’s observation gives a nice branch to Alexander Luria’s The Mind of a Mnemonist.

Eric

On Jul 22, 2020, at 4:53 AM, cody dooderson <[hidden email]> wrote:

After reading Glen's reply I came up with a mnemonic, "Fart Vapor Can Distract Republicans"
Of course, now I can not remember now what the F stands for. Maybe "Fart Velvet Church Daisy Red"

Cody Smith

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 1:15 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks. Anybody else? I need more data.

N

Nicholas Thompson
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From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
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Are you asking me? Face, red, church, velvet. ???
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 12:45 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:
Can you do it now?

Nicholas Thompson
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From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
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I go five after making lunch. But I said it subvocally many times before starting lunch preparation. Does that count?
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140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
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505 670-9918
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 11:59 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:

So the idea is that you hear the list, then you repeat it, then you repeat it again.

Then you do something entirely else for five minute. Write an email on philosophy? Do a page of your income tax form? Make a telephone call? After a few of these distractions, Now try to remember the number.

Let me know what your experience was and then I will explain where this comes from, if you don’t already know. If you DO already know, don’t give away the secret until others have had a crack at it.

Nick

Nicholas Thompson
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Clark University
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