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Gillian Densmore

Bug hive remover needed

Other than a bugy house (pun intended):

I really do need help with recomendations for pros to help relocate nest or hive bugs keep building on place outside.

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cody dooderson

Re: [WedTech] Bug hive remover needed

I think it depends on the type of bug. Queen honey bees are fairly valuable but red ants are not.

Cody Smith

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Other than a bugy house (pun intended):

I really do need help with recomendations for pros to help relocate nest or hive bugs keep building on place outside.

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Steve Smith

Re: [WedTech] Bug hive remover needed

Gil -

I don't know what kind of "hive bugs" you are talking about. The most obvious in our environs would be wasps, followed by bees, with ants and termites burrowing. I'm fairly confident that *all* wasps/hornets build new nests each spring.

I know the main contact for honeybee relocation in NNM if it happens you have a swarm of honeybees that settled at your house this summer. Any "hive" you have (most likely paper or mud) would long since have been vacated (only the queen survives through the winter in hibernation) and will not be re-used next year... you can simply remove it and destroy it or put it somewhere auspicious and call it art.

- Steve

On 1/3/18 5:14 PM, cody dooderson wrote:

I think it depends on the type of bug. Queen honey bees are fairly valuable but red ants are not.

Cody Smith

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Other than a bugy house (pun intended):

I really do need help with recomendations for pros to help relocate nest or hive bugs keep building on place outside.

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Nick Thompson

Re: [WedTech] Bug hive remover needed

Steve –

I don’t know how much eastern experience applies here, but some slight additions to your note.

1. Bee hives DO winter over as hives. I think you meant to say that but I wasn’t sure. Bees do sometimes get into houses in the East.

2. WASPS do not winter over as hives, as you suggest. But, for instance, the fall nests of Polistes wasps produce dozens, perhaps hundreds of reproductive which collect in crevices in houses, whence they emerge, confused, sleepy, and not altogether in a good mood, if you heat the walls up in winter. So Gill might be confusing their old nests with “hives” and the emerging reproductive as an organized group, rather than as a bunch of cranky individuals.

3. “…building on nests outside the house “ suggests to me another paper wasp which builds round basket ball sized nests with a single entrance. Unlike Polistes colonies, which are small, and laid back, these guys can be real mean. Our only strategy with them was to keep destroying the nests when they are small and the nest not developed the diversification essential to produce large numbers of stinging workers.

4. We both assumed that Gil was using the term “bug” loosely. The only swarming bugs I know are ladybugs, which, like the wasps, can emerge from the heated walls of winter houses in astounding numbers. But they don’t sting.

5. There is a women up at St. Johns known as the “bug lady” She studied with a reknown entymologist at Michigan and might, for a few bucks, help out. Or for free. She will actually know what she is talking about, unlike … um … me.

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Steven A Smith
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 8:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [WedTech] Bug hive remover needed

Gil -

- Steve

On 1/3/18 5:14 PM, cody dooderson wrote:

I think it depends on the type of bug. Queen honey bees are fairly valuable but red ants are not.

Cody Smith

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
Other than a bugy house (pun intended):

I really do need help with recomendations for pros to help relocate nest or hive bugs keep building on place outside.

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Gillian Densmore

Re: [WedTech] Bug hive remover needed

In reply to this post by Steve Smith

^ Picture of the Insect/Bug home I simply don't have much experience removing.

Part of the problem will be getthing the bulb out being as that breaking would add to the problem.

The other part will be the nest(?) or Hive(?) itself and what ever may or may not be using it. They bite. That hurts Lots of them biting would be bad.

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 8:30 PM, Steven A Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

Gil -

I don't know what kind of "hive bugs" you are talking about. The most obvious in our environs would be wasps, followed by bees, with ants and termites burrowing. I'm fairly confident that *all* wasps/hornets build new nests each spring.

I know the main contact for honeybee relocation in NNM if it happens you have a swarm of honeybees that settled at your house this summer. Any "hive" you have (most likely paper or mud) would long since have been vacated (only the queen survives through the winter in hibernation) and will not be re-used next year... you can simply remove it and destroy it or put it somewhere auspicious and call it art.

- Steve

On 1/3/18 5:14 PM, cody dooderson wrote:
I think it depends on the type of bug. Queen honey bees are fairly valuable but red ants are not.

Cody Smith

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Other than a bugy house (pun intended):

I really do need help with recomendations for pros to help relocate nest or hive bugs keep building on place outside.

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gepr

Re: [WedTech] Bug hive remover needed

If that's outside, then they should be easy to kill (even in the summer). If you're against those 20' shooting wasp killer sprays, then you can just put on a sweatshirt, a thick hat, gloves, safety goggles, etc. so they'll have a tough time stinging you, go out in early morning when it's coldest and still dark, put some red cellophane on your flashlight so you can see the nest. Then knock it down with a stick. When it falls to the ground, stomp on it. Don't worry too much if you have to get on a ladder to knock it down. All the other precautions will make you pretty robust against whatever weak attack they make.

If you're OK with the pesticide, then it's trivial, and you can do it in broad daylight, 90 degree heat, in your underwear. ... unless you're allergic, of course.

On the more sympathetic side, these guys probably haven't done anything to you. Why hate them so much? I tend to leave them alone, expecting them to help control the other species in the neighborhood. I'm afraid of all wasps. But if they leave me alone, I leave them alone. However, there was one breed, one nest in particular, back in Texas that tortured me for my entire youth. They're bright red all over and *very* aggressive. They seemed to see me coming around the corner of the house after school and send their special forces squad after me. I got very good at having my key out, running past, getting it in the lock and opening the door before they got me. I failed a lot, though. One time, as I was unlocking the door, this one wasp stung me 3 times in a tight radius on my forearm. And because I was unlocking the door, I didn't even get my other hand over there quick enough to smash him. Little bastard. I spent a significant amount of my childhood shooting at them with my BB gun from the safety of a cracked window. Anyway, if you haven't been stung, why not let them keep their little condo?

On 01/04/2018 07:50 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote:

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> ^ Picture of the Insect/Bug home I simply don't have much experience removing.
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> Part of the problem will be getthing the bulb out being as that breaking would add to the problem.
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> The other part will be the nest(?) or Hive(?) itself and what ever may or may not be using it. They bite. That hurts Lots of them biting would be bad.
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> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 8:30 PM, Steven A Smith <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
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> Gil -
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> I don't know what kind of "hive bugs" you are talking about. The most obvious in our environs would be wasps, followed by bees, with ants and termites burrowing. I'm fairly confident that *all* wasps/hornets build new nests each spring.
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> I know the main contact for honeybee relocation in NNM if it happens you have a swarm of honeybees that settled at your house this summer. Any "hive" you have (most likely paper or mud) would long since have been vacated (only the queen survives through the winter in hibernation) and will not be re-used next year... you can simply remove it and destroy it or put it somewhere auspicious and call it art.

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Nick Thompson

Re: [WedTech] Bug hive remover needed

In reply to this post by Gillian Densmore

Gil,

These look like Polistes. . Again, bearing in mind that I am an eastern person and these are western wasps, here is my advice:.

1. There should be no organized wasp activity at this time of year. Each wasp is out for itself, so little wasp heroics.

2. Knock the nest down, and clean the area out.

3. Keep nests for forming next year. AT the early stages of nest formation, the wasps are not very aggressive.

4. Don’t take advice from Easterners when you live in the West. Or from former English majors on entomology. OR is that etymology. I can never tell the difference

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gillian Densmore
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 8:50 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [WedTech] Bug hive remover needed

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^ Picture of the Insect/Bug home I simply don't have much experience removing.

Part of the problem will be getthing the bulb out being as that breaking would add to the problem.

The other part will be the nest(?) or Hive(?) itself and what ever may or may not be using it. They bite. That hurts Lots of them biting would be bad.

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 8:30 PM, Steven A Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

Gil -
I don't know what kind of "hive bugs" you are talking about. The most obvious in our environs would be wasps, followed by bees, with ants and termites burrowing. I'm fairly confident that *all* wasps/hornets build new nests each spring.
I know the main contact for honeybee relocation in NNM if it happens you have a swarm of honeybees that settled at your house this summer. Any "hive" you have (most likely paper or mud) would long since have been vacated (only the queen survives through the winter in hibernation) and will not be re-used next year... you can simply remove it and destroy it or put it somewhere auspicious and call it art.
- Steve

On 1/3/18 5:14 PM, cody dooderson wrote:
I think it depends on the type of bug. Queen honey bees are fairly valuable but red ants are not.

Cody Smith

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
Other than a bugy house (pun intended):

I really do need help with recomendations for pros to help relocate nest or hive bugs keep building on place outside.

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Gillian Densmore

Re: [WedTech] Bug hive remover needed

Thank you again nick! ^_^

@Possibly misguided advice. As a expert on my form of dyslexia I seriusly have found that sometimes my notions don't translate to others quite a few reasons. Finding the wrong words (for example) or accidentally starting mid thought, then getting a set of jumbled words out instead of a coherent sentence. Somtimes Leading to quite humurous 'Dyslexic moments' , weird memory, sometimes weird social anxiety issues, and are quite possible a expert on Social Cluts. Ihave a bad condition called Mea Culpa. And and Poke Funa and Selfa. This is a truly bad disease. So much so I poke fun at my own mis-steps, infamously leading to fits of laughter, and forgeting why I was so mad at some problem I created and then tried to fix.

@Easterner well as one with bad slacker habbits and quite a bit of Calornia and Irish I'm somtimes pretty wonky at asking opinions or experiences about stuff. Sometimes my notions are simply wrong or don't come out well. Well mannered ribbing of a issue or idea sometimes comes out half baked. Or I assume things should be a certain way...but somestimes just aren't!

So I suppose I should add to your list of people to be cautios about advice: EastCoasters(?) Calofirnia Slackers, and people named Gil. :P

@The Wasp issue. Thanks. I genuinly do apreciate the advice and opinions.

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 10:05 AM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Gil,

These look like Polistes. . Again, bearing in mind that I am an eastern person and these are western wasps, here is my advice:.

1.       There should be no organized wasp activity at this time of year. Each wasp is out for itself, so little wasp heroics.
2.       Knock the nest down, and clean the area out.
3.       Keep nests for forming next year. AT the early stages of nest formation, the wasps are not very aggressive.
4.       Don’t take advice from Easterners when you live in the West.    Or from former English majors on entomology. OR is that etymology. I can never tell the difference

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gillian Densmore
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 8:50 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [WedTech] Bug hive remover needed

^ Picture of the Insect/Bug home I simply don't have much experience removing.

Part of the problem will be getthing the bulb out being as that breaking would add to the problem.

The other part will be the nest(?) or Hive(?) itself and what ever may or may not be using it. They bite. That hurts Lots of them biting would be bad.
On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 8:30 PM, Steven A Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
Gil -
I don't know what kind of "hive bugs" you are talking about. The most obvious in our environs would be wasps, followed by bees, with ants and termites burrowing. I'm fairly confident that *all* wasps/hornets build new nests each spring.
I know the main contact for honeybee relocation in NNM if it happens you have a swarm of honeybees that settled at your house this summer. Any "hive" you have (most likely paper or mud) would long since have been vacated (only the queen survives through the winter in hibernation) and will not be re-used next year... you can simply remove it and destroy it or put it somewhere auspicious and call it art.
- Steve

On 1/3/18 5:14 PM, cody dooderson wrote:
I think it depends on the type of bug. Queen honey bees are fairly valuable but red ants are not.

Cody Smith

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
Other than a bugy house (pun intended):

I really do need help with recomendations for pros to help relocate nest or hive bugs keep building on place outside.

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Nick Thompson

Re: [WedTech] Bug hive remover needed

They really can make your life a living hell if they are the wrong kind. The ground living ones are the worst.

I think I fyou clean up the nest, and prevent them from making another in the summer, you probably wont have to resort to spray.

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gillian Densmore
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 10:37 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [WedTech] Bug hive remover needed

Thank you again nick! ^_^

So I suppose I should add to your list of people to be cautios about advice: EastCoasters(?) Calofirnia Slackers, and people named Gil. :P

@The Wasp issue. Thanks. I genuinly do apreciate the advice and opinions.

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 10:05 AM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Gil,

These look like Polistes. . Again, bearing in mind that I am an eastern person and these are western wasps, here is my advice:.

1.       There should be no organized wasp activity at this time of year. Each wasp is out for itself, so little wasp heroics.
2.       Knock the nest down, and clean the area out.
3.       Keep nests for forming next year. AT the early stages of nest formation, the wasps are not very aggressive.
4.       Don’t take advice from Easterners when you live in the West.    Or from former English majors on entomology. OR is that etymology. I can never tell the difference

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gillian Densmore
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 8:50 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [WedTech] Bug hive remover needed

^ Picture of the Insect/Bug home I simply don't have much experience removing.

Part of the problem will be getthing the bulb out being as that breaking would add to the problem.

The other part will be the nest(?) or Hive(?) itself and what ever may or may not be using it. They bite. That hurts Lots of them biting would be bad.
On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 8:30 PM, Steven A Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
Gil -
I don't know what kind of "hive bugs" you are talking about. The most obvious in our environs would be wasps, followed by bees, with ants and termites burrowing. I'm fairly confident that *all* wasps/hornets build new nests each spring.
I know the main contact for honeybee relocation in NNM if it happens you have a swarm of honeybees that settled at your house this summer. Any "hive" you have (most likely paper or mud) would long since have been vacated (only the queen survives through the winter in hibernation) and will not be re-used next year... you can simply remove it and destroy it or put it somewhere auspicious and call it art.
- Steve

On 1/3/18 5:14 PM, cody dooderson wrote:
I think it depends on the type of bug. Queen honey bees are fairly valuable but red ants are not.

Cody Smith

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
Other than a bugy house (pun intended):

I really do need help with recomendations for pros to help relocate nest or hive bugs keep building on place outside.

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