Arizona meets the Facebook community

[glen e. p. ropella-2]

Russell Gonnering wrote circa 10-05-10 04:56 PM:
> Why are you so sure you know what is in other people's minds?  Your
> continual use of the annotated point-for-point refutation of why I am
> wrong and you are right just proves the point, doesn't it?

I'm neither sure what's in others' minds, nor am I saying you are wrong
and I am right.  I'll say it again.  All I wanted to do was point out
the logic that you said you didn't see.

I'm sorry you don't like the point-by-point e-mail style.  I learned it
a long time ago and it's always seemed like a good way to keep clarity
in a conversation.

> 747-interconnected and interwoven-can be reduced to its components,
> each optimized and reassembled and the whole is improved:
> COMPLICATED
>
> Brazilian Rainforest-interconnected and interwoven-destroyed if
> reduced to its components: COMPLEX

I actually don't think this is so clear cut.  But I understand what
you're saying and, in general, agree.

> Ambiguity, at least in my flawed perception, is one of the hallmarks
> of complexity.

I agree completely with this.  In fact, I've argued this point ad
nauseum here on this forum.  (That was part of my attempt to explain
that I believe complex systems require both a language mismatch and
circularity.  Cycles, or more descriptively, self-references generate
ambiguity.)

> The current situation in AZ has been brought about
> precisely because of the LACK of an attractor--it is of course not an
> attractor itself.

Ugh!  OK.  So, I misremembered what you posted.  Sorry.  But the same
comment I made before still holds.  We can't actually say whether it is
or is not on an attractor until we define the space, the axes, in which
the system evolves.  It may well be on an attractor but from our limited
perspective, what seems like a totally different path may just be a
particularly wide swoop, but not wide enough to transition to another
attractor.  Without defining our axes, we just don't know.

> I honestly don't know why I am even continuing on in this...  We are
> on completely different pages.  I make the statement that watching
> what happens in AZ will be interesting from the complexity
> standpoint,and you make the assumption that I lack empathy, don't see
> logic, am only comfortable dealing with people who think like me,
> etc..  Is this really that much fun for you?
>
> Let's terminate this BS and go on with something interesting and
> important.

Well, I don't think it's BS.  I'm sorry for wasting your time.

--
glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com


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[Sarbajit Roy (testing)]

Conan O’Brien slams Arizona racists with Pac-Man 30th anniversary joke
http://www.beatweek.com/news/6187-conan-obrien-slams-arizona-racists-with-pac-man-30th-anniversary-joke/

"May 22, 2010

Conan O’Brien used today’s thirtieth anniversary of the Pac-Man arcade
game to poke fun at the white supremacists attempting to legalize
racism in Arizona while trying to disguise it as “immigration” reform,
with a joke he posted on Twitter:

“Pac-Man’s 30th birthday was marred by the sudden deportation of the
Super Mario Bros. What were those fools doing in Arizona?”

Nice to see that Conan’s temporary banishment from television hasn’t
prevented him from continuing to use humor to attack stupidity."

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 5:40 AM, glen e. p. ropella
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> Russell Gonnering wrote circa 10-05-10 04:56 PM:
>> Why are you so sure you know what is in other people's minds?  Your
>> continual use of the annotated point-for-point refutation of why I am
>> wrong and you are right just proves the point, doesn't it?
>

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