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Nick Thompson

Dear Friammers,

 

So, I am now safely installed in the MIB, and now I am trying to fulfill my promise to try to turn your excellent work concerning “What Pragmatism Is” into an editable text.  I realize this is a project that only a mother could love, but humor me a little bit. 

 

So, the first method I tried, via Outlook, failed.  Outlook apparently keeps its email messages disaggregated in something like a vast CSV file.  When you ask for a single message, it re-aggregates the fields of the message and presents it to you.  If you try to export a bunch of messages, it exports them as a CSV file or as a bunch of icons.  There is no way that I can see to open all the messages  of a thread into a single Word File for editing.  There is no way to write macros for Outlook.  So, that’s the end of the Outlook line, for me, I think. 

 

My next thought was to work with the FRIAM archive.  I thought perhaps I could import an entire thread from the  archive, and since, as I remember, the archive is organized chronologically, I might have my rough editable file that way.  I could then write a macro to delete unnecessary repetitive stuff, and would be done.

 

However, I could not, following instructions on the FRIAM page, get into the FRIAM archive at all.  If anybody has used it recently, could you get in touch?

 

Thanks.

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

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On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 8:32 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear Friammers,

 

So, I am now safely installed in the MIB, and now I am trying to fulfill my promise to try to turn your excellent work concerning “What Pragmatism Is” into an editable text.  I realize this is a project that only a mother could love, but humor me a little bit. 

 

So, the first method I tried, via Outlook, failed.  Outlook apparently keeps its email messages disaggregated in something like a vast CSV file.  When you ask for a single message, it re-aggregates the fields of the message and presents it to you.  If you try to export a bunch of messages, it exports them as a CSV file or as a bunch of icons.  There is no way that I can see to open all the messages  of a thread into a single Word File for editing.  There is no way to write macros for Outlook.  So, that’s the end of the Outlook line, for me, I think. 

 

My next thought was to work with the FRIAM archive.  I thought perhaps I could import an entire thread from the  archive, and since, as I remember, the archive is organized chronologically, I might have my rough editable file that way.  I could then write a macro to delete unnecessary repetitive stuff, and would be done.

 

However, I could not, following instructions on the FRIAM page, get into the FRIAM archive at all.  If anybody has used it recently, could you get in touch?

 

Thanks.

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 


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Re: Archiving Friam conversations as editable text.

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On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 10:02 AM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

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On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 8:32 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear Friammers,

 

So, I am now safely installed in the MIB, and now I am trying to fulfill my promise to try to turn your excellent work concerning “What Pragmatism Is” into an editable text.  I realize this is a project that only a mother could love, but humor me a little bit. 

 

So, the first method I tried, via Outlook, failed.  Outlook apparently keeps its email messages disaggregated in something like a vast CSV file.  When you ask for a single message, it re-aggregates the fields of the message and presents it to you.  If you try to export a bunch of messages, it exports them as a CSV file or as a bunch of icons.  There is no way that I can see to open all the messages  of a thread into a single Word File for editing.  There is no way to write macros for Outlook.  So, that’s the end of the Outlook line, for me, I think. 

 

My next thought was to work with the FRIAM archive.  I thought perhaps I could import an entire thread from the  archive, and since, as I remember, the archive is organized chronologically, I might have my rough editable file that way.  I could then write a macro to delete unnecessary repetitive stuff, and would be done.

 

However, I could not, following instructions on the FRIAM page, get into the FRIAM archive at all.  If anybody has used it recently, could you get in touch?

 

Thanks.

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 


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Re: Archiving Friam conversations as editable text.

Owen Densmore
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Ah..could just be http://redfish.com/ is dead. It hangs.

(I tried beaming into the admin part of our mail and it hung.)

Stephen?

On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 10:02 AM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

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On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 8:32 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear Friammers,

 

So, I am now safely installed in the MIB, and now I am trying to fulfill my promise to try to turn your excellent work concerning “What Pragmatism Is” into an editable text.  I realize this is a project that only a mother could love, but humor me a little bit. 

 

So, the first method I tried, via Outlook, failed.  Outlook apparently keeps its email messages disaggregated in something like a vast CSV file.  When you ask for a single message, it re-aggregates the fields of the message and presents it to you.  If you try to export a bunch of messages, it exports them as a CSV file or as a bunch of icons.  There is no way that I can see to open all the messages  of a thread into a single Word File for editing.  There is no way to write macros for Outlook.  So, that’s the end of the Outlook line, for me, I think. 

 

My next thought was to work with the FRIAM archive.  I thought perhaps I could import an entire thread from the  archive, and since, as I remember, the archive is organized chronologically, I might have my rough editable file that way.  I could then write a macro to delete unnecessary repetitive stuff, and would be done.

 

However, I could not, following instructions on the FRIAM page, get into the FRIAM archive at all.  If anybody has used it recently, could you get in touch?

 

Thanks.

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 


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The archive has been down since September of last year, which I've mentioned several times. I have my own archive, of course.  I've thought about uploading them somewhere, but few of us ever refer back to previous posts.  So, I infer the archives are mostly a waste of resources.

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Nick Thompson
"I have my own archive, of course. ..."

Um.  Really?  I am up to my neck in houseguests at the moment, but could one, in principle, get into it?  

Nick

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From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of u?l? ?
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The archive has been down since September of last year, which I've mentioned several times. I have my own archive, of course.  I've thought about uploading them somewhere, but few of us ever refer back to previous posts.  So, I infer the archives are mostly a waste of resources.

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Of course.  It'll take the exact same plain text format of the file on the Peirce conversation I sent you awhile back.  You sent a response about your tools thinking it was some weird format ("djvu"?).  I responded that it was merely a plain text file, but never heard back from you.

Anyway, I've saved everything (I think) FriAM has sent me since mid-Feb 2008.  Mind you, the list seems to be a bit fickle, which is why I created 2 accounts and noticed the archive going down.  One address would receive posts that the other didn't.  Other people would not have seen posts I quoted from.  Etc.  So, it's easy to assert that my archive will be incomplete.  But I'm happy to upload it somewhere if you have a use for it.

I used to take pride in retaining a copy of every e-mail I'd received since 1995 or so.  Learning that only Bad Actors like Cambridge Analytica and Paladin care about such things has shamed me into deleting e-mail willy nilly.

On 06/04/2018 11:23 AM, Nick Thompson wrote:
> "I have my own archive, of course. ..."
>
> Um.  Really?  I am up to my neck in houseguests at the moment, but could one, in principle, get into it?  


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You should really hold on to it.   Any random thing that hasn't been indexed to death may be worth some money one day.   And why not lord over out-of-context quotes on people from time to time?

On 6/4/18, 12:40 PM, "uǝlƃ ☣" <[hidden email]> wrote:

    Of course.  It'll take the exact same plain text format of the file on the Peirce conversation I sent you awhile back.  You sent a response about your tools thinking it was some weird format ("djvu"?).  I responded that it was merely a plain text file, but never heard back from you.
   
    Anyway, I've saved everything (I think) FriAM has sent me since mid-Feb 2008.  Mind you, the list seems to be a bit fickle, which is why I created 2 accounts and noticed the archive going down.  One address would receive posts that the other didn't.  Other people would not have seen posts I quoted from.  Etc.  So, it's easy to assert that my archive will be incomplete.  But I'm happy to upload it somewhere if you have a use for it.
   
    I used to take pride in retaining a copy of every e-mail I'd received since 1995 or so.  Learning that only Bad Actors like Cambridge Analytica and Paladin care about such things has shamed me into deleting e-mail willy nilly.
   
    On 06/04/2018 11:23 AM, Nick Thompson wrote:
    > "I have my own archive, of course. ..."
    >
    > Um.  Really?  I am up to my neck in houseguests at the moment, but could one, in principle, get into it?  
   
   
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gepr
Heh, I just had a friend float the idea that Hugh Everett was "laughed out of physics/academia".  Now, I'm not a fan of history or biography.  But that sounded wrong; so I googled it.  Now that I'm an expert, I assert that Everett didn't care about academia and any insult he felt from the rejection of his idea had more to do with a deeply seated dissatisfaction with all the people on earth. 8^)

On 06/04/2018 11:42 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> You should really hold on to it.   Any random thing that hasn't been indexed to death may be worth some money one day.   And why not lord over out-of-context quotes on people from time to time?


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Nick Thompson
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Sorry, Glen.  

I keep seeming to have to apologize to you.  Apologies are not really repeatable, in my book, so it worries me.  Hm!  That's a meta-apology, I guess.

Anyway, thanks for reminding me.  I am not sure I got the final stroke in that conversation or was just feckless.  If the latter, ugh!  

Nick

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-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of u?l? ?
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 2:40 PM
To: FriAM <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Archiving Friam conversations as editable text.

Of course.  It'll take the exact same plain text format of the file on the Peirce conversation I sent you awhile back.  You sent a response about your tools thinking it was some weird format ("djvu"?).  I responded that it was merely a plain text file, but never heard back from you.

Anyway, I've saved everything (I think) FriAM has sent me since mid-Feb 2008.  Mind you, the list seems to be a bit fickle, which is why I created 2 accounts and noticed the archive going down.  One address would receive posts that the other didn't.  Other people would not have seen posts I quoted from.  Etc.  So, it's easy to assert that my archive will be incomplete.  But I'm happy to upload it somewhere if you have a use for it.

I used to take pride in retaining a copy of every e-mail I'd received since 1995 or so.  Learning that only Bad Actors like Cambridge Analytica and Paladin care about such things has shamed me into deleting e-mail willy nilly.

On 06/04/2018 11:23 AM, Nick Thompson wrote:
> "I have my own archive, of course. ..."
>
> Um.  Really?  I am up to my neck in houseguests at the moment, but could one, in principle, get into it?  


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Nick you want it as editable text?
Can you tell me or us what you meen by that?
Like to print in a book or something latter?
Or do you meen so you can latter say oh hey their's a a threat I was interested in. I wonder what happened sometime latter. If so
Anyone know if that could be simply done just in a wiki or send it to wordpress to post them some place somehow?
I meen wiki's like DokuWiki's one of the neet things is they keep track of tons of stuff. 
Just an idea. 


On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 10:02 AM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 8:32 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear Friammers,

 

So, I am now safely installed in the MIB, and now I am trying to fulfill my promise to try to turn your excellent work concerning “What Pragmatism Is” into an editable text.  I realize this is a project that only a mother could love, but humor me a little bit. 

 

So, the first method I tried, via Outlook, failed.  Outlook apparently keeps its email messages disaggregated in something like a vast CSV file.  When you ask for a single message, it re-aggregates the fields of the message and presents it to you.  If you try to export a bunch of messages, it exports them as a CSV file or as a bunch of icons.  There is no way that I can see to open all the messages  of a thread into a single Word File for editing.  There is no way to write macros for Outlook.  So, that’s the end of the Outlook line, for me, I think. 

 

My next thought was to work with the FRIAM archive.  I thought perhaps I could import an entire thread from the  archive, and since, as I remember, the archive is organized chronologically, I might have my rough editable file that way.  I could then write a macro to delete unnecessary repetitive stuff, and would be done.

 

However, I could not, following instructions on the FRIAM page, get into the FRIAM archive at all.  If anybody has used it recently, could you get in touch?

 

Thanks.

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 


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Nick Thompson

G.

 

Like you could read it as a book of letters, one after another, in the order in which they were written.

 

I will look into Doku Wiki. 

 

Sounds very oriental.

 

Nick

 

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From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gillian Densmore
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 11:19 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Archiving Friam conversations as editable text.

 

Nick you want it as editable text?

Can you tell me or us what you meen by that?

Like to print in a book or something latter?

Or do you meen so you can latter say oh hey their's a a threat I was interested in. I wonder what happened sometime latter. If so

Anyone know if that could be simply done just in a wiki or send it to wordpress to post them some place somehow?

I meen wiki's like DokuWiki's one of the neet things is they keep track of tons of stuff. 

Just an idea. 

 

 

On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 10:02 AM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

 

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The requested URL /pipermail/friam_redfish.com/index.html was not found on this server.

 

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

 

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 8:32 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear Friammers,

 

So, I am now safely installed in the MIB, and now I am trying to fulfill my promise to try to turn your excellent work concerning “What Pragmatism Is” into an editable text.  I realize this is a project that only a mother could love, but humor me a little bit. 

 

So, the first method I tried, via Outlook, failed.  Outlook apparently keeps its email messages disaggregated in something like a vast CSV file.  When you ask for a single message, it re-aggregates the fields of the message and presents it to you.  If you try to export a bunch of messages, it exports them as a CSV file or as a bunch of icons.  There is no way that I can see to open all the messages  of a thread into a single Word File for editing.  There is no way to write macros for Outlook.  So, that’s the end of the Outlook line, for me, I think. 

 

My next thought was to work with the FRIAM archive.  I thought perhaps I could import an entire thread from the  archive, and since, as I remember, the archive is organized chronologically, I might have my rough editable file that way.  I could then write a macro to delete unnecessary repetitive stuff, and would be done.

 

However, I could not, following instructions on the FRIAM page, get into the FRIAM archive at all.  If anybody has used it recently, could you get in touch?

 

Thanks.

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 


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Gary Schiltz-4
Has anyone addressed the question of why the FRIAM archiving function has broken? Who did/does have control over the underlying mailman/pipermail installation? Are parts of the archives still stored somewhere from which they might be resurrected (besides Glen's own personal copy)? I only personally know about half the people on the list (maybe less), but I feel a bond with all you folks. I guess it's my last tenuous link to Santa Fe, where I lived for a decade and really loved.

On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 11:30 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

G.

 

Like you could read it as a book of letters, one after another, in the order in which they were written.

 

I will look into Doku Wiki. 

 

Sounds very oriental.

 

Nick

 

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Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

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From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gillian Densmore
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 11:19 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Archiving Friam conversations as editable text.

 

Nick you want it as editable text?

Can you tell me or us what you meen by that?

Like to print in a book or something latter?

Or do you meen so you can latter say oh hey their's a a threat I was interested in. I wonder what happened sometime latter. If so

Anyone know if that could be simply done just in a wiki or send it to wordpress to post them some place somehow?

I meen wiki's like DokuWiki's one of the neet things is they keep track of tons of stuff. 

Just an idea. 

 

 

On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 10:02 AM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

 

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On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 8:32 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear Friammers,

 

So, I am now safely installed in the MIB, and now I am trying to fulfill my promise to try to turn your excellent work concerning “What Pragmatism Is” into an editable text.  I realize this is a project that only a mother could love, but humor me a little bit. 

 

So, the first method I tried, via Outlook, failed.  Outlook apparently keeps its email messages disaggregated in something like a vast CSV file.  When you ask for a single message, it re-aggregates the fields of the message and presents it to you.  If you try to export a bunch of messages, it exports them as a CSV file or as a bunch of icons.  There is no way that I can see to open all the messages  of a thread into a single Word File for editing.  There is no way to write macros for Outlook.  So, that’s the end of the Outlook line, for me, I think. 

 

My next thought was to work with the FRIAM archive.  I thought perhaps I could import an entire thread from the  archive, and since, as I remember, the archive is organized chronologically, I might have my rough editable file that way.  I could then write a macro to delete unnecessary repetitive stuff, and would be done.

 

However, I could not, following instructions on the FRIAM page, get into the FRIAM archive at all.  If anybody has used it recently, could you get in touch?

 

Thanks.

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 


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