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Whoa! I knew Apple was after Google for its Java architecture, but now the Samsung Tab for UI: http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=16416 I'll be a bit unpopular here and say, Yes, it really does look like Samsung did very little original work here .. after all they're a hardware outfit doing little more than cosmetic "branding".
But it's based on Android, so shouldn't Google be the target? I suppose it is, but Samsung is getting the brunt of it all. This is going to be quite a battle .. looking at the article's image, the average consumer would have assumed it was a nice, smaller sized addition to the iDevice line.
In the phone world, I know Google has a "standard UI" and that most handset manufacturers mess with it to be their own (often making a mess of things and wasting your battery for you!). It seems Android phones have not had this level of patent threat from Apple. The OS is certainly not an infringement. But I guess the UI and look-alike design is under attack.
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Google suggested last week ( http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/08/when-patents-attack-android.html ) that everything Android is under a coordinated attack. The evidence is that Apple and Microsoft are colluding to bid up patent portfolios to several times their face value which prevents Google from gaining ownership of any patents that could be used to defend Android.
It could be a very interesting anti-trust proceeding since the evidence is all out there in plain sight. -- rec --
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Interesting quote from the URL you posted:
Ultimately, the U.S. Department of Justice intervened, forcing Microsoft to sell the patents it bought and demanding that the winning group (Microsoft, Oracle, Apple, EMC) give a license to the open-source community, changes the DoJ said were “necessary to protect competition and innovation in the open source software community.” This only reaffirms our point: Our competitors are waging a patent war on Android and working together to keep us from getting patents that would help balance the scales. So basically, I think Android as an open source based OS is pretty safe, save for Oracle's claim it violates the Java Community Process.
Apple's attack is likely to be more difficult. Android clearly has a very iPhone-y UI, and the carriers/manufacturers (Samsung for example) tend to make it even more so.
iPhone changed the industry, even forcing ATT to create new monthly data plans. It was a breath taking change. I don't like Apple's hegemony but they clearly need protection from copy-cat devices and services. It really does look odd that as soon as Apple's brilliant creativity nailed a new market, built a brilliant device, created the "App" market and distribution scheme .. you see exactly the same thing in the Android world.
Subtle: I do think creativity should be rewarded.
-- Owen
PS: Interestingly enough, many Apps are still not available on Android. One reason, apparently, is that Android devices have a large number differences, making a single Android app difficult. Apple, on the other hand, makes it increasingly easy to write one app for iPad, iPhone, iPod .. and with Lion, even "computers".
Reminds me of the microsoft problem: app developers would have liked to have a Mac product too, but found keeping up with all the versions of windows hard enough to make Mac development not worth it.
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Roger Critchlow <[hidden email]> wrote: Google suggested last week ( http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/08/when-patents-attack-android.html ) that everything Android is under a coordinated attack. The evidence is that Apple and Microsoft are colluding to bid up patent portfolios to several times their face value which prevents Google from gaining ownership of any patents that could be used to defend Android. ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
Naw, most developers, like most people, are just lazy: -- rec -- ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Don't you think Apple has been rewarded for all of these things? What more do they need? On Aug 10, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
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Apple: today's evil empire. Microsoft, take a back seat to the new number one greedy bastard of Corporate America. Sent from Android. On Aug 10, 2011 11:30 AM, "Joshua Thorp" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Don't you think Apple has been rewarded for all of these things? What more do they need? > > > On Aug 10, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: > >> Interesting quote from the URL you posted: >> Ultimately, the U.S. Department of Justice intervened, forcing Microsoft to sell the patents it bought and demanding that the winning group (Microsoft, Oracle, Apple, EMC) give a license to the open-source community, changes the DoJ said were “necessary to protect competition and innovation in the open source software community.” This only reaffirms our point: Our competitors are waging a patent war on Android and working together to keep us from getting patents that would help balance the scales. >> >> So basically, I think Android as an open source based OS is pretty safe, save for Oracle's claim it violates the Java Community Process. >> >> Apple's attack is likely to be more difficult. Android clearly has a very iPhone-y UI, and the carriers/manufacturers (Samsung for example) tend to make it even more so. >> >> iPhone changed the industry, even forcing ATT to create new monthly data plans. It was a breath taking change. I don't like Apple's hegemony but they clearly need protection from copy-cat devices and services. It really does look odd that as soon as Apple's brilliant creativity nailed a new market, built a brilliant device, created the "App" market and distribution scheme .. you see exactly the same thing in the Android world. >> >> Subtle: I do think creativity should be rewarded. >> >> -- Owen >> >> PS: Interestingly enough, many Apps are still not available on Android. One reason, apparently, is that Android devices have a large number differences, making a single Android app difficult. Apple, on the other hand, makes it increasingly easy to write one app for iPad, iPhone, iPod .. and with Lion, even "computers". >> >> Reminds me of the microsoft problem: app developers would have liked to have a Mac product too, but found keeping up with all the versions of windows hard enough to make Mac development not worth it. >> >> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Roger Critchlow <[hidden email]> wrote: >> Google suggested last week ( http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/08/when-patents-attack-android.html ) that everything Android is under a coordinated attack. The evidence is that Apple and Microsoft are colluding to bid up patent portfolios to several times their face value which prevents Google from gaining ownership of any patents that could be used to defend Android. >> >> It could be a very interesting anti-trust proceeding since the evidence is all out there in plain sight. >> >> -- rec -- >> >> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote: >> Whoa! I knew Apple was after Google for its Java architecture, but now the Samsung Tab for UI: >> http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=16416 >> >> I'll be a bit unpopular here and say, Yes, it really does look like Samsung did very little original work here .. after all they're a hardware outfit doing little more than cosmetic "branding". >> >> But it's based on Android, so shouldn't Google be the target? I suppose it is, but Samsung is getting the brunt of it all. >> >> This is going to be quite a battle .. looking at the article's image, the average consumer would have assumed it was a nice, smaller sized addition to the iDevice line. >> >> In the phone world, I know Google has a "standard UI" and that most handset manufacturers mess with it to be their own (often making a mess of things and wasting your battery for you!). It seems Android phones have not had this level of patent threat from Apple. The OS is certainly not an infringement. But I guess the UI and look-alike design is under attack. >> >> -- Owen >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org >> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Joshua Thorp <[hidden email]> wrote:
Having worked for Sun which went from riches to rags, and having listened to Geoff West's discussion on corporate lifetimes (TED), I think things are precarious even for the apparent winners.
But, yes, I think Apple has been rewarded. And Google certainly did a Good Thing in finally getting carriers and manufacturers to use a common platform. I am disappointed in Android: I hoped for (and Google promised) a really open, standard system. They caved in to the carriers and manufacturers who all wanted to piss on it to make it their own. And I still need to jailbreak it, and possibly unlock it, to simply put the standard Android UI on it. And mfgrs over-power the device for great specs and performance, and then buyers have to get a hack to under-clock it to get back to reasonable battery life. Damn!
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Looks like Apple is doing pretty well for itself: http://www.macrumors.com/2011/08/10/apple-closes-as-the-most-valuable-company-in-the-world/
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