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Not sure where I read it (perhaps someone here on the list posted it), but I read that Cameron says that he will wait for the next PM to make the decision if and when to pull the Article 50 trigger. Incidentally, I'm surprised that popular referenda are not legally binding. On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 4:15 PM, glen ☣ <[hidden email]> wrote: On 06/27/2016 01:59 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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My dog is never going to learn anything from Trump presidency.
If there is shooting in the streets he'll be anxious. He will want to flee, but on a leash he'll opt to fight. Then he'll look at me with that "What the hell was that?" look. How do I tell him it is just a stupid exercise for the humans? -----Original Message----- From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of glen ? Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 3:15 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England On 06/27/2016 01:59 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Despair wasn't what I was getting from the body language of David and Samantha Cameron. Perhaps kind like Boehner..? I have to admit that I'm interested in the rhetoric that says: We should elect Trump as President because we need to get it out of our system. It's akin to postmodernism. We _need_ to manually walk as far towards the absurd as we can in order to teach ourselves (or some of us) what "absurd" means, tacitly. It's not enough to be warned by those with the ability to run it forward in their heads. Even those brainiacs are susceptible to confirmation bias. So we _need_ to do the work, actually go out into the void as far as possible so we can experience it, memorize it, know what it means ... to, say, have a reality TV personality run the country. Perhaps Cameron has an anarchist homunculus? Just burn it down! Free your mind and ... Burn. It. Down. -- ☣ glen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Ah, thanks. After your e-mail, I found this: http://www.politico.eu/article/david-cameron-we-wont-trigger-article-50-now/ “We need to determine what kind of relationship we want with the EU, and that is rightly something for the next prime minister and their cabinet to decide,” said Cameron. “This is our sovereign decision and it will be for Britain, and Britain alone, to decide.” On 06/27/2016 02:56 PM, Gary Schiltz wrote: > Not sure where I read it (perhaps someone here on the list posted it), but I read that Cameron says that he will wait for the next PM to make the decision if and when to pull the Article 50 trigger. Incidentally, I'm surprised that popular referenda are not legally binding. -- ☣ glen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
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With our own election hoopla, I find myself considering the implications of democracy as we practice it (and perhaps even as we imagine or idealize it). While I am observing said hoopla with my usual "morbid
fascination", I am truly disturbed by the possibility that we ARE
degenerating to a Mobocracy or more technically, an Ochlocracy.
I like Wikipedia's definition of the term as: "Democracy
spoiled by Demagoguery". Many forms of Government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time. Winston Churchill While my sympathies are much more aligned with the
Left than the Right at this phase of my life, and while I find the
Right's presumptive "Bigot in Chief" a dangerous clown, I'm
worried that the mainstream element of the "other side" isn't a
lot better in their methods and style. That said, I'm still holding out for a 4-way debate with Bernie as Independent and Gary Johnson as Libertarian. I think the Donald would get shredded on every one of his points by one or all three of the others. I think Hillary would suffer as well, but not by a fraction. I think the things Bernie and Gary differ on would degenerate to "agree to disagree" and all of them except the aspiring "Bigot in Chief" would be very strong on personal rights, splitting only on gun control.
- Steve On 6/27/16 1:47 PM, glen ☢ wrote:
What I don't quite understand is, if referenda are "consultative" and non-binding, why all the hoopla? Why can't they simply factor the results into a more rational process? This is especially curious if Cameron plans to/will resign anyway. And also curious given the Bregret. Did the pre-referendum legislation dictate that the government must robotically obey the results? We have all sorts of ways our US government can bypass, ignore, or delay the unencumbered "will of the people." ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Well, maybe the learning isn't devo; maybe it's more evo? ... similar to the disruption of the "keep a steady job then retire" motif my parents understood, that is total bvllsh!t now. Or perhaps the "work hard, buy a house" motif? Or "go to school so you can get a job"? Or even "read, read, read, read -- never mind that video will make reading obsolete by the time you die"? Your dog won't learn any lessons. But those dogs who aren't fixed might have puppies who will begin learning the lesson. On 06/27/2016 02:57 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > My dog is never going to learn anything from Trump presidency. > If there is shooting in the streets he'll be anxious. He will want to flee, but on a leash he'll opt to fight. Then he'll look at me with that "What the hell was that?" look. > How do I tell him it is just a stupid exercise for the humans? -- ☣ glen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
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Good point...
I used to be holding out for a Stephen Colbert/Tina Fey ticket for the Republicans... THEY would have swept the field on both sides for entirely different reasons! On 6/27/16 4:19 PM, glen ☣ wrote: > > If they'd get someone like Samantha Bee or John Oliver to moderate it, > _then_ it might be a good thing. > > On 06/27/2016 03:09 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: >> That said, I'm still holding out for a 4-way debate with Bernie as >> Independent and Gary Johnson as Libertarian. I think the Donald >> would get shredded on every one of his points by one or all three of >> the others. I think Hillary would suffer as well, but not by a >> fraction. I think the things Bernie and Gary differ on would >> degenerate to "agree to disagree" and all of them except the aspiring >> "Bigot in Chief" would be very strong on personal rights, splitting >> only on gun control. > ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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"But those dogs who aren't fixed might have puppies who will begin learning the lesson."
1) bite hard, say, around the neck or underbelly, and without hesitation 2) make lots of puppies Marcus ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Gary, Not sure if your surprise is ironic or not, but parliament is “sovereign”. And, none of the major players seems eager to be the one that pulls the article 50 trigger. Everybody seems to think that they were going to use the vote to get a better deal from the EU. Hence, the EU ministers’ reaction. N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gary Schiltz Not sure where I read it (perhaps someone here on the list posted it), but I read that Cameron says that he will wait for the next PM to make the decision if and when to pull the Article 50 trigger. Incidentally, I'm surprised that popular referenda are not legally binding. On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 4:15 PM, glen ☣ <[hidden email]> wrote:
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On 06/27/2016 03:09 PM, Steven A Smith wrote:
> While I am observing said hoopla with my usual "morbid fascination", I am truly disturbed by the possibility that we ARE degenerating to a Mobocracy or more technically, an /Ochlocracy/. I like Wikipedia's definition of the term as: /"Democracy spoiled by Demagoguery/". Relevant "diablog": Too Democratic? Let's See What Plato Says... http://bigthink.com/errors-we-live-by/too-democratic-lets-see-what-plato-says "6. RNG: They have, but facing that danger in democracy is different from claiming that the natural path of democracy is towards tyranny. Context is paramount. Plato makes these claims during a real downer of a discussion, a plunge into political fatalism made all the more depressing by Plato’s having just laid out a blueprint for his ideal state—The Republic—an aristocracy in its original sense, namely rule by the best, the most virtuous citizens (from arête), who, schooled in philosophy, are single-mindedly devoted to the common good. In Plato’s eyes, they alone qualify as elites, and alone can be trusted with power (precisely because they don’t want it. That’s what an education in philosophy is supposed to do to you)." -- ☢ glen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
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