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Nick Thompson

Amphibians of Colorado - Reptiles and Amphibians of Colorado

Dear Friammers,

My grandson was inspired by this website,

http://www.reptilesofcolorado.com/amphibians-of-colorado.html

to want to do a website of his own, and asked for my help. I have done three Websites in my time, the most recent a few years ago using Google Sites. I found it adequate for my needs, but Google has the attention span of a gnat, and I assume they have not changed it and that a lot has changed in the environment since I last used it.

So, I am asking if anybody out there recommends a simple website development tool, preferably free but not necessarily free, on which I could help him develop a site. For his age (12) he is remarkable nature artist and a pretty good photographer, so it cannot be a kiddie thing.

Any thoughts?

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Gary Schiltz-4

Amphibians of Colorado - Reptiles and Amphibians of Colorado

If the website is the goal, rather than a tool for learning web development, then one of the sites like wix.com have drag-and-drop editors built in. The site mentioned is hosted on weebly.com, so would be an obvious choice.

On Thursday, September 10, 2015, Nick Thompson <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nickthompson@earthlink.net');" target="_blank">nickthompson@...> wrote:

Dear Friammers,

My grandson was inspired by this website,

http://www.reptilesofcolorado.com/amphibians-of-colorado.html

to want to do a website of his own, and asked for my help. I have done three Websites in my time, the most recent a few years ago using Google Sites. I found it adequate for my needs, but Google has the attention span of a gnat, and I assume they have not changed it and that a lot has changed in the environment since I last used it.

So, I am asking if anybody out there recommends a simple website development tool, preferably free but not necessarily free, on which I could help him develop a site. For his age (12) he is remarkable nature artist and a pretty good photographer, so it cannot be a kiddie thing.

Any thoughts?

N

Tom Johnson

Re: Amphibians of Colorado - Reptiles and Amphibians of Colorado

I like http://kompozer.net

TJ
===================================
Tom Johnson - Inst. for Analytic Journalism
Santa Fe, NM
SPJ Region 9 Director
[hidden email] 505-473-9646
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On Sep 11, 2015 5:37 AM, "Gary Schiltz" <[hidden email]> wrote:

If the website is the goal, rather than a tool for learning web development, then one of the sites like wix.com have drag-and-drop editors built in. The site mentioned is hosted on weebly.com, so would be an obvious choice.

On Thursday, September 10, 2015, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
Dear Friammers,

My grandson was inspired by this website,

http://www.reptilesofcolorado.com/amphibians-of-colorado.html

to want to do a website of his own, and asked for my help. I have done three Websites in my time, the most recent a few years ago using Google Sites. I found it adequate for my needs, but Google has the attention span of a gnat, and I assume they have not changed it and that a lot has changed in the environment since I last used it.

So, I am asking if anybody out there recommends a simple website development tool, preferably free but not necessarily free, on which I could help him develop a site. For his age (12) he is remarkable nature artist and a pretty good photographer, so it cannot be a kiddie thing.

Any thoughts?

N

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Nick Thompson

Re: Amphibians of Colorado - Reptiles and Amphibians of Colorado

Thanks, Tom,

Hope you’re well. Back to sf pretty soon.

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tom Johnson
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 11:26 AM
To: Friam@redfish. com <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Amphibians of Colorado - Reptiles and Amphibians of Colorado

I like http://kompozer.net

TJ
===================================
Tom Johnson - Inst. for Analytic Journalism
Santa Fe, NM
SPJ Region 9 Director
[hidden email] 505-473-9646
===================================

On Sep 11, 2015 5:37 AM, "Gary Schiltz" <[hidden email]> wrote:

If the website is the goal, rather than a tool for learning web development, then one of the sites like wix.com have drag-and-drop editors built in. The site mentioned is hosted on weebly.com, so would be an obvious choice.

On Thursday, September 10, 2015, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
Dear Friammers,

My grandson was inspired by this website,

http://www.reptilesofcolorado.com/amphibians-of-colorado.html

to want to do a website of his own, and asked for my help. I have done three Websites in my time, the most recent a few years ago using Google Sites. I found it adequate for my needs, but Google has the attention span of a gnat, and I assume they have not changed it and that a lot has changed in the environment since I last used it.

So, I am asking if anybody out there recommends a simple website development tool, preferably free but not necessarily free, on which I could help him develop a site. For his age (12) he is remarkable nature artist and a pretty good photographer, so it cannot be a kiddie thing.

Any thoughts?

N

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Robert J. Cordingley

Re: Amphibians of Colorado - Reptiles and Amphibians of Colorado

In reply to this post by Gary Schiltz-4

To build on Gary's suggestions there's a review of DIY Websites at http://www.websitebuilderexpert.com/diy-website-builder/. Comparisons from September 4 this year include Wix, Squarespace, Weebly, Jindo, GoDaddy and IM Creator, but none are free.

WordPress.com is free and may be worth considering. It has some premium options.

Thanks,
Robert

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Web Design & Development
Santa Fe, NM
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281-989-6272 (cell)

On 9/11/15 6:36 AM, Gary Schiltz wrote:

If the website is the goal, rather than a tool for learning web development, then one of the sites like wix.com have drag-and-drop editors built in. The site mentioned is hosted on weebly.com, so would be an obvious choice.

On Thursday, September 10, 2015, Nick Thompson <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nickthompson@earthlink.net');" target="_blank">[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear Friammers,

My grandson was inspired by this website,

http://www.reptilesofcolorado.com/amphibians-of-colorado.html

to want to do a website of his own, and asked for my help. I have done three Websites in my time, the most recent a few years ago using Google Sites. I found it adequate for my needs, but Google has the attention span of a gnat, and I assume they have not changed it and that a lot has changed in the environment since I last used it.

So, I am asking if anybody out there recommends a simple website development tool, preferably free but not necessarily free, on which I could help him develop a site. For his age (12) he is remarkable nature artist and a pretty good photographer, so it cannot be a kiddie thing.

Any thoughts?

N
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Robert J. Cordingley

Re: Amphibians of Colorado - Reptiles and Amphibians of Colorado

A correction:
Wix, Weebly, Jimdo, IM Creator do have free plans see the comparison chart at http://www.websitebuilderexpert.com/website-builders-comparison-chart/

Thanks
Robert

On 9/11/15 12:14 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:

To build on Gary's suggestions there's a review of DIY Websites at http://www.websitebuilderexpert.com/diy-website-builder/. Comparisons from September 4 this year include Wix, Squarespace, Weebly, Jindo, GoDaddy and IM Creator, but none are free.

WordPress.com is free and may be worth considering. It has some premium options.

Thanks,
Robert
-- 
Cirrillian 
Web Design & Development
Santa Fe, NM
http://cirrillian.com
281-989-6272 (cell)
On 9/11/15 6:36 AM, Gary Schiltz wrote:
If the website is the goal, rather than a tool for learning web development, then one of the sites like wix.com have drag-and-drop editors built in. The site mentioned is hosted on weebly.com, so would be an obvious choice.

On Thursday, September 10, 2015, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear Friammers,

My grandson was inspired by this website,

http://www.reptilesofcolorado.com/amphibians-of-colorado.html

to want to do a website of his own, and asked for my help. I have done three Websites in my time, the most recent a few years ago using Google Sites. I found it adequate for my needs, but Google has the attention span of a gnat, and I assume they have not changed it and that a lot has changed in the environment since I last used it.

So, I am asking if anybody out there recommends a simple website development tool, preferably free but not necessarily free, on which I could help him develop a site. For his age (12) he is remarkable nature artist and a pretty good photographer, so it cannot be a kiddie thing.

Any thoughts?

N
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Web Design & Development
Santa Fe, NM
http://cirrillian.com
281-989-6272 (cell)

Parks, Raymond

Re: [EXTERNAL] Amphibians of Colorado - Reptiles and Amphibians of Colorado

In reply to this post by Gary Schiltz-4

There's always emacs and straight up html ;-J

Seriously, you might look into a VPS (~= $10/mnth) running Apache and just build the pages out of html. They won't be pretty and interactive, but they will be small, simple, and a good learning experience. There's lots of text and even html editors so he wouldn't have to use emacs (but he could use it to write in ConTeXt or LaTeX to export to html). You could make the website about and for your entire family with your grandson responsible for his pages.

Speaking of emacs, I don't think I shared this on this list - <http://www.dadhacker.com/blog/?p=2357>

Alternately, you might suggest to your grandson that he build a page about his interest on Wikipedia (if it doesn't already exist). I was recently reading the Wikipedia page about amphibians of New Mexico <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amphibians_of_New_Mexico> (I was looking for a description and picture of the Woodhouse toads that dine under our redneck entertainment center).

Ray Parks
Consilient Heuristician/IDART Old-Timer
V: 505-844-4024 M: 505-238-9359 P: 505-951-6084
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On Sep 11, 2015, at 6:36 AM, Gary Schiltz wrote:

If the website is the goal, rather than a tool for learning web development, then one of the sites like wix.com have drag-and-drop editors built in. The site mentioned is hosted on weebly.com, so would be an obvious choice.

On Thursday, September 10, 2015, Nick Thompson <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nickthompson@earthlink.net');" target="_blank">nickthompson@...> wrote:
Dear Friammers,

My grandson was inspired by this website,

http://www.reptilesofcolorado.com/amphibians-of-colorado.html

to want to do a website of his own, and asked for my help. I have done three Websites in my time, the most recent a few years ago using Google Sites. I found it adequate for my needs, but Google has the attention span of a gnat, and I assume they have not changed it and that a lot has changed in the environment since I last used it.

So, I am asking if anybody out there recommends a simple website development tool, preferably free but not necessarily free, on which I could help him develop a site. For his age (12) he is remarkable nature artist and a pretty good photographer, so it cannot be a kiddie thing.

Any thoughts?

N
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Owen Densmore

Re: [EXTERNAL] Amphibians of Colorado - Reptiles and Amphibians of Colorado

Administrator

The "social" sites are sorta websites: facebook, google+.

Twitter has spawned a few too, as a way to extend the 140 limit. One is: https://medium.com/ .. there are others.

Github and Github pages have become good sites too. There are companies that have converted to github "repos" for their docs. Uses markdown rather than html, a hit in the hacker community.

More importantly is the Big Picture. If Design is in his future, definitely read A List Apart, created by the Heroes of Good Design on the web. Historically ground zero. http://alistapart.com/

In a quarter of his lifetime, 3-4 years, Everything Will Have Changed except for a few core memes. A List Apart will still be here. WordPress ditto. Core Web Tech like html, css, javascript certainly. Markdown too. Hard to say about the new kids on the block. Wix certainly is "trending" big-time.

There is a trend amongst the digerati towards simplicity and away from blog engines .. just good prose and design over tech. I like it!

To be honest, I'd proceed by:

- Show a minimal HTML page as text. Removes the mystery and fear. Most folks don't know how simple the web is at the core. Look at it on a phone, ubiquitous & thrilling.

- Draw on paper (so retro!) a mock-up of what he'd like to do. This teases out what you really want to do, how far you want to go in terms of web tech. Details. Design over Tech.

- Then go from there .. nothing helps like a bit more knowledge!

-- Owen

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Parks, Raymond <[hidden email]> wrote:

There's always emacs and straight up html ;-J

Seriously, you might look into a VPS (~= $10/mnth) running Apache and just build the pages out of html. They won't be pretty and interactive, but they will be small, simple, and a good learning experience. There's lots of text and even html editors so he wouldn't have to use emacs (but he could use it to write in ConTeXt or LaTeX to export to html). You could make the website about and for your entire family with your grandson responsible for his pages.

Speaking of emacs, I don't think I shared this on this list - <http://www.dadhacker.com/blog/?p=2357>

Alternately, you might suggest to your grandson that he build a page about his interest on Wikipedia (if it doesn't already exist). I was recently reading the Wikipedia page about amphibians of New Mexico <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amphibians_of_New_Mexico> (I was looking for a description and picture of the Woodhouse toads that dine under our redneck entertainment center).

Ray Parks
Consilient Heuristician/IDART Old-Timer
V: <a href="tel:505-844-4024" value="+15058444024" target="_blank">505-844-4024 M: <a href="tel:505-238-9359" value="+15052389359" target="_blank">505-238-9359 P: <a href="tel:505-951-6084" value="+15059516084" target="_blank">505-951-6084
NIPR: [hidden email]
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On Sep 11, 2015, at 6:36 AM, Gary Schiltz wrote:

If the website is the goal, rather than a tool for learning web development, then one of the sites like wix.com have drag-and-drop editors built in. The site mentioned is hosted on weebly.com, so would be an obvious choice.

On Thursday, September 10, 2015, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
Dear Friammers,

My grandson was inspired by this website,

http://www.reptilesofcolorado.com/amphibians-of-colorado.html

to want to do a website of his own, and asked for my help. I have done three Websites in my time, the most recent a few years ago using Google Sites. I found it adequate for my needs, but Google has the attention span of a gnat, and I assume they have not changed it and that a lot has changed in the environment since I last used it.

So, I am asking if anybody out there recommends a simple website development tool, preferably free but not necessarily free, on which I could help him develop a site. For his age (12) he is remarkable nature artist and a pretty good photographer, so it cannot be a kiddie thing.

Any thoughts?

N
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Gillian Densmore

Re: [EXTERNAL] Amphibians of Colorado - Reptiles and Amphibians of Colorado

In reply to this post by Parks, Raymond

As this is a list of techies and in light of this wedtech:

Anyone else mis-read that the tittle, with potentially amusing resaults?

😈

That said-

I was just through this experience of where do I make a cheap (free?) website?

I love folder and file webpage making because as I (famously) discovered moving wordpress from host to host sucks.

Weebly isn't to bad, but has no undue button and the documentation is clear as mud in a few places

Wix isn't to bad either

I don't know how comfortable you two are with poking at the inside of a webpage

I've found from dabling with way to many CMSs my wishlist wasn't what the other designers might like they want to minify there CSS. Yet Another Marked Down Language seems to be code for Yet Another Manual To Learn. It's potentially sexy, but the docs read like greek written in hylolyphs while hanging from Yggadrsl upside down after to many parties in Veinhelm and Asguard.

If he's just interest in making a webpage then probably start with making playing with some places then he, and you, know if you might like it.

a few to get you started:

Joomla.com

joomla.com

It has solid support and joomla is fun to workwith- for about 10 dollars a month get all that joomla has to offer.

Weebly.com

It's not bad, I don't like that it has no obvius undue system,

I don't know how computer savy he is. He might like redhats openshift.

openshift.com

I find the documentation was meh partially because of it's verbage.

Asking for a fun to use CMS for webwonks is almost like asking for favorite star trek captain or flavor of ice cream.

If you don't mind tinkering there's a bunch of very lite, and very fun webhelper options you'll want to play with these to see what he and you like as it's a matter of taste.

Pixie:

http://www.getpixie.co.uk/

Wonder:

http://wondercms.com/

Yellow:

http://datenstrom.se/yellow/

Exponent.

http://www.exponentcms.org/

and of course Wordpress:

Wordpress.org

I wasn't a fan of googlepages personally but that's a matter of taste possibly.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Parks, Raymond <[hidden email]> wrote:

There's always emacs and straight up html ;-J

Seriously, you might look into a VPS (~= $10/mnth) running Apache and just build the pages out of html. They won't be pretty and interactive, but they will be small, simple, and a good learning experience. There's lots of text and even html editors so he wouldn't have to use emacs (but he could use it to write in ConTeXt or LaTeX to export to html). You could make the website about and for your entire family with your grandson responsible for his pages.

Speaking of emacs, I don't think I shared this on this list - <http://www.dadhacker.com/blog/?p=2357>

Alternately, you might suggest to your grandson that he build a page about his interest on Wikipedia (if it doesn't already exist). I was recently reading the Wikipedia page about amphibians of New Mexico <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amphibians_of_New_Mexico> (I was looking for a description and picture of the Woodhouse toads that dine under our redneck entertainment center).

Ray Parks
Consilient Heuristician/IDART Old-Timer
V: <a href="tel:505-844-4024" value="+15058444024" target="_blank">505-844-4024 M: <a href="tel:505-238-9359" value="+15052389359" target="_blank">505-238-9359 P: <a href="tel:505-951-6084" value="+15059516084" target="_blank">505-951-6084
NIPR: [hidden email]
SIPR: [hidden email] (send NIPR reminder)
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On Sep 11, 2015, at 6:36 AM, Gary Schiltz wrote:

If the website is the goal, rather than a tool for learning web development, then one of the sites like wix.com have drag-and-drop editors built in. The site mentioned is hosted on weebly.com, so would be an obvious choice.

On Thursday, September 10, 2015, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
Dear Friammers,

My grandson was inspired by this website,

http://www.reptilesofcolorado.com/amphibians-of-colorado.html

to want to do a website of his own, and asked for my help. I have done three Websites in my time, the most recent a few years ago using Google Sites. I found it adequate for my needs, but Google has the attention span of a gnat, and I assume they have not changed it and that a lot has changed in the environment since I last used it.

So, I am asking if anybody out there recommends a simple website development tool, preferably free but not necessarily free, on which I could help him develop a site. For his age (12) he is remarkable nature artist and a pretty good photographer, so it cannot be a kiddie thing.

Any thoughts?

N
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Nick Thompson

Re: [EXTERNAL] Amphibians of Colorado - Reptiles and Amphibians of Colorado

Thanks, everybody. This is why I love you all.

I should have made clearer that we are, as Owen used to say, Total Citizens. We have no interest in webpages and computers as such. Our interest is in drawing, describing and photographing amphibians, snakes, fish, etc., and the possibility of sharing same with others.

Your responses have been most useful. Perhaps most telling is that NOBODY mentioned Google Sites. Pity. I found it quite useful only a few years ago. Why are those people such ….. nomads!

Thanks, again,

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gillian Densmore
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 6:15 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Amphibians of Colorado - Reptiles and Amphibians of Colorado

As this is a list of techies and in light of this wedtech:

Anyone else mis-read that the tittle, with potentially amusing resaults?

😈

That said-

I was just through this experience of where do I make a cheap (free?) website?

I love folder and file webpage making because as I (famously) discovered moving wordpress from host to host sucks.

Weebly isn't to bad, but has no undue button and the documentation is clear as mud in a few places

Wix isn't to bad either

I don't know how comfortable you two are with poking at the inside of a webpage

If he's just interest in making a webpage then probably start with making playing with some places then he, and you, know if you might like it.

a few to get you started:

Joomla.com

joomla.com

It has solid support and joomla is fun to workwith- for about 10 dollars a month get all that joomla has to offer.

Weebly.com

It's not bad, I don't like that it has no obvius undue system,

I don't know how computer savy he is. He might like redhats openshift.

openshift.com

I find the documentation was meh partially because of it's verbage.

Asking for a fun to use CMS for webwonks is almost like asking for favorite star trek captain or flavor of ice cream.

If you don't mind tinkering there's a bunch of very lite, and very fun webhelper options you'll want to play with these to see what he and you like as it's a matter of taste.

Pixie:

http://www.getpixie.co.uk/

Wonder:

http://wondercms.com/

Yellow:

http://datenstrom.se/yellow/

Exponent.

http://www.exponentcms.org/

and of course Wordpress:

Wordpress.org

I wasn't a fan of googlepages personally but that's a matter of taste possibly.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Parks, Raymond <[hidden email]> wrote:

There's always emacs and straight up html ;-J

Seriously, you might look into a VPS (~= $10/mnth) running Apache and just build the pages out of html. They won't be pretty and interactive, but they will be small, simple, and a good learning experience. There's lots of text and even html editors so he wouldn't have to use emacs (but he could use it to write in ConTeXt or LaTeX to export to html). You could make the website about and for your entire family with your grandson responsible for his pages.

Speaking of emacs, I don't think I shared this on this list - <http://www.dadhacker.com/blog/?p=2357>

Alternately, you might suggest to your grandson that he build a page about his interest on Wikipedia (if it doesn't already exist). I was recently reading the Wikipedia page about amphibians of New Mexico <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amphibians_of_New_Mexico> (I was looking for a description and picture of the Woodhouse toads that dine under our redneck entertainment center).

Ray Parks
Consilient Heuristician/IDART Old-Timer
V: <a href="tel:505-844-4024" target="_blank">505-844-4024 M: <a href="tel:505-238-9359" target="_blank">505-238-9359 P: <a href="tel:505-951-6084" target="_blank">505-951-6084
NIPR: [hidden email]
SIPR: [hidden email] (send NIPR reminder)
JWICS: [hidden email] (send NIPR reminder)

On Sep 11, 2015, at 6:36 AM, Gary Schiltz wrote:

If the website is the goal, rather than a tool for learning web development, then one of the sites like wix.com have drag-and-drop editors built in. The site mentioned is hosted on weebly.com, so would be an obvious choice.

On Thursday, September 10, 2015, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
Dear Friammers,

My grandson was inspired by this website,

http://www.reptilesofcolorado.com/amphibians-of-colorado.html

to want to do a website of his own, and asked for my help. I have done three Websites in my time, the most recent a few years ago using Google Sites. I found it adequate for my needs, but Google has the attention span of a gnat, and I assume they have not changed it and that a lot has changed in the environment since I last used it.

So, I am asking if anybody out there recommends a simple website development tool, preferably free but not necessarily free, on which I could help him develop a site. For his age (12) he is remarkable nature artist and a pretty good photographer, so it cannot be a kiddie thing.

Any thoughts?

N
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Robert J. Cordingley

Re: [EXTERNAL] Amphibians of Colorado - Reptiles and Amphibians of Colorado

In reply to this post by Gillian Densmore

At the risk of perhaps stating the obvious, WordPress.com (which hosts sites with some limitations) is different from wordpress.org which provides documentation, resources and know how primarily for developers to host their own WordPress site with no limitations and with access to the core code.
Robert

On 9/11/15 4:14 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote:

and of course Wordpress:

Wordpress.org

-- 
Cirrillian 
Web Design & Development
Santa Fe, NM
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Amphibians of Colorado - Reptiles and Amphibians of Colorado

In reply to this post by Nick Thompson

So, as I'm riding my bicycle along the most excellent Arroyo de los Chamisos bike trail I notice a lot of fauna racing furtively across and along the trail. Most of the lizards are only in view for a second or two and they don't hold still much, but I flatter myself that I can identify several kinds by the way they move. Point being here, that movies may turn out to be useful for your purpose and your choice of site solution might want to take into consideration sufficient data handling abilities for that, if such is an issue among the alternatives.

Not much in the way of fish along said trail, however.

C

On 9/11/15 4:29 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:

Thanks, everybody. This is why I love you all.

I should have made clearer that we are, as Owen used to say, Total Citizens. We have no interest in webpages and computers as such. Our interest is in drawing, describing and photographing amphibians, snakes, fish, etc., and the possibility of sharing same with others.

Your responses have been most useful. Perhaps most telling is that NOBODY mentioned Google Sites. Pity. I found it quite useful only a few years ago. Why are those people such ….. nomads!

Thanks, again,

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

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As this is a list of techies and in light of this wedtech:

Anyone else mis-read that the tittle, with potentially amusing resaults?

😈

That said-

I was just through this experience of where do I make a cheap (free?) website?

I love folder and file webpage making because as I (famously) discovered moving wordpress from host to host sucks.

Weebly isn't to bad, but has no undue button and the documentation is clear as mud in a few places

Wix isn't to bad either

I don't know how comfortable you two are with poking at the inside of a webpage

I've found from dabling with way to many CMSs my wishlist wasn't what the other designers might like they want to minify there CSS. Yet Another Marked Down Language seems to be code for Yet Another Manual To Learn. It's potentially sexy, but the docs read like greek written in hylolyphs while hanging from Yggadrsl upside down after to many parties in Veinhelm and Asguard.

If he's just interest in making a webpage then probably start with making playing with some places then he, and you, know if you might like it.

a few to get you started:

Joomla.com

joomla.com

It has solid support and joomla is fun to workwith- for about 10 dollars a month get all that joomla has to offer.

Weebly.com

Weebly.com

It's not bad, I don't like that it has no obvius undue system,

I don't know how computer savy he is. He might like redhats openshift.

openshift.com

openshift.com

I find the documentation was meh partially because of it's verbage.

Asking for a fun to use CMS for webwonks is almost like asking for favorite star trek captain or flavor of ice cream.

If you don't mind tinkering there's a bunch of very lite, and very fun webhelper options you'll want to play with these to see what he and you like as it's a matter of taste.

Pixie:

http://www.getpixie.co.uk/

Wonder:

http://wondercms.com/

Yellow:

http://datenstrom.se/yellow/

Exponent.

http://www.exponentcms.org/

and of course Wordpress:

Wordpress.org

I wasn't a fan of googlepages personally but that's a matter of taste possibly.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Parks, Raymond <[hidden email]> wrote:

There's always emacs and straight up html ;-J

Seriously, you might look into a VPS (~= $10/mnth) running Apache and just build the pages out of html. They won't be pretty and interactive, but they will be small, simple, and a good learning experience. There's lots of text and even html editors so he wouldn't have to use emacs (but he could use it to write in ConTeXt or LaTeX to export to html). You could make the website about and for your entire family with your grandson responsible for his pages.

Speaking of emacs, I don't think I shared this on this list - <http://www.dadhacker.com/blog/?p=2357>

Alternately, you might suggest to your grandson that he build a page about his interest on Wikipedia (if it doesn't already exist). I was recently reading the Wikipedia page about amphibians of New Mexico <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amphibians_of_New_Mexico> (I was looking for a description and picture of the Woodhouse toads that dine under our redneck entertainment center).

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On Sep 11, 2015, at 6:36 AM, Gary Schiltz wrote:

If the website is the goal, rather than a tool for learning web development, then one of the sites like wix.com have drag-and-drop editors built in. The site mentioned is hosted on weebly.com, so would be an obvious choice.

On Thursday, September 10, 2015, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear Friammers,

My grandson was inspired by this website,

http://www.reptilesofcolorado.com/amphibians-of-colorado.html

to want to do a website of his own, and asked for my help. I have done three Websites in my time, the most recent a few years ago using Google Sites. I found it adequate for my needs, but Google has the attention span of a gnat, and I assume they have not changed it and that a lot has changed in the environment since I last used it.

So, I am asking if anybody out there recommends a simple website development tool, preferably free but not necessarily free, on which I could help him develop a site. For his age (12) he is remarkable nature artist and a pretty good photographer, so it cannot be a kiddie thing.

Any thoughts?

N

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