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Owen Densmore

ASCIIMathML.js demo

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Executive summary: Can we as a community rely on MathML compliance
within our browsers?

Details: I've come across an interesting javascript equation builder
that takes an ascii string in backticks (i.e. ` ... `) and converts
it to MathML.
http://www1.chapman.edu/~jipsen/mathml/asciimath.html

This is nifty, but has one pretty bad downside: it requires your
browser to support MathML. I seem to recall some hassles like
downloading weird fonts and so on. From my notes:
- MIT MathML Fonts: Mathematica 4.1 TrueType
Note: Installer did not include CMSY10 CMEX10 (TeX computer modern),
due to a bug. To stop annoying popup about missing fonts, use:
user_pref("font.mathfont-family", "Math1, Math2, Math4, Symbol");
Put in prefs.js or use about:config creating new pref.
In other words, your basic 2 hour fussing around. This may no longer
be a hassle.

Here's a page where you can build your own samples using ASCIIMathML:
http://www1.chapman.edu/~jipsen/mathml/asciimathdemo.html

So here's the question: Can we rely on MathML for our collective
work? Or do we have to use .gif's for all our math we'd like to
exchange with one another?

-- Owen

Roger Critchlow-2

ASCIIMathML.js demo

It works for me.

-- rec --

On 7/29/07, Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net> wrote:

>
> Executive summary: Can we as a community rely on MathML compliance
> within our browsers?
>
> Details: I've come across an interesting javascript equation builder
> that takes an ascii string in backticks (i.e. ` ... `) and converts
> it to MathML.
> http://www1.chapman.edu/~jipsen/mathml/asciimath.html
>
> This is nifty, but has one pretty bad downside: it requires your
> browser to support MathML. I seem to recall some hassles like
> downloading weird fonts and so on. From my notes:
> - MIT MathML Fonts: Mathematica 4.1 TrueType
> Note: Installer did not include CMSY10 CMEX10 (TeX computer
> modern),
> due to a bug. To stop annoying popup about missing fonts, use:
> user_pref("font.mathfont-family", "Math1, Math2, Math4,
> Symbol");
> Put in prefs.js or use about:config creating new pref.
> In other words, your basic 2 hour fussing around. This may no longer
> be a hassle.
>
> Here's a page where you can build your own samples using ASCIIMathML:
> http://www1.chapman.edu/~jipsen/mathml/asciimathdemo.html
>
> So here's the question: Can we rely on MathML for our collective
> work? Or do we have to use .gif's for all our math we'd like to
> exchange with one another?
>
> -- Owen
>
>
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>

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Russell Standish

ASCIIMathML.js demo

In reply to this post by Owen Densmore

On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 08:39:56PM -0600, Owen Densmore wrote:

> Executive summary: Can we as a community rely on MathML compliance
> within our browsers?
>
> Details: I've come across an interesting javascript equation builder
> that takes an ascii string in backticks (i.e. ` ... `) and converts
> it to MathML.
> http://www1.chapman.edu/~jipsen/mathml/asciimath.html
>
> This is nifty, but has one pretty bad downside: it requires your
> browser to support MathML. I seem to recall some hassles like
> downloading weird fonts and so on. From my notes:
> - MIT MathML Fonts: Mathematica 4.1 TrueType
> Note: Installer did not include CMSY10 CMEX10 (TeX computer modern),
> due to a bug. To stop annoying popup about missing fonts, use:
> user_pref("font.mathfont-family", "Math1, Math2, Math4, Symbol");
> Put in prefs.js or use about:config creating new pref.
> In other words, your basic 2 hour fussing around. This may no longer
> be a hassle.
>
> Here's a page where you can build your own samples using ASCIIMathML:
> http://www1.chapman.edu/~jipsen/mathml/asciimathdemo.html
>
> So here's the question: Can we rely on MathML for our collective
> work? Or do we have to use .gif's for all our math we'd like to
> exchange with one another?
>
> -- Owen
>
>
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org

Why not PDFs (or LaTeX markup for plain text emails)? Its what we use
now.

Cheers

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Russell Standish

ASCIIMathML.js demo

In reply to this post by Roger Critchlow-2

Some things work for me, but not all. For instance \in doesn't
display, nor do some of the font changes. Too much is missing for this
to be really useful. I am running Mozilla 1.7, but I will be
reluctantly updgrading to the latest Firefox soon (or Seamonkey if
Firefox annoys me too much). Reluctant because Firefox seems to be a
worse interface than Mozilla, just like KDE is a worse interface than FVWM.

I may be a curmudgeon, but I still miss Mosaic's "Clone this page"
feature, even if there's nothing else about Mosaic I miss. I switched
to Netscape in '96 and to Mozilla in '03. The Netscape->Mozilla
transition was not too painful.

Cheers

On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 09:57:00PM -0600, Roger Critchlow wrote:

> It works for me.
>
> -- rec --
>
> On 7/29/07, Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net> wrote:
> >
> > Executive summary: Can we as a community rely on MathML compliance
> > within our browsers?
> >
> > Details: I've come across an interesting javascript equation builder
> > that takes an ascii string in backticks (i.e. ` ... `) and converts
> > it to MathML.
> > http://www1.chapman.edu/~jipsen/mathml/asciimath.html
> >
> > This is nifty, but has one pretty bad downside: it requires your
> > browser to support MathML. I seem to recall some hassles like
> > downloading weird fonts and so on. From my notes:
> > - MIT MathML Fonts: Mathematica 4.1 TrueType
> > Note: Installer did not include CMSY10 CMEX10 (TeX computer
> > modern),
> > due to a bug. To stop annoying popup about missing fonts, use:
> > user_pref("font.mathfont-family", "Math1, Math2, Math4,
> > Symbol");
> > Put in prefs.js or use about:config creating new pref.
> > In other words, your basic 2 hour fussing around. This may no longer
> > be a hassle.
> >
> > Here's a page where you can build your own samples using ASCIIMathML:
> > http://www1.chapman.edu/~jipsen/mathml/asciimathdemo.html
> >
> > So here's the question: Can we rely on MathML for our collective
> > work? Or do we have to use .gif's for all our math we'd like to
> > exchange with one another?
> >
> > -- Owen
> >
> >
> >
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> >

> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org

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Carl Tollander

condensed MathML matters

In reply to this post by Owen Densmore

In a highly economical post, we have Condensed matter AND
MathML...http://golem.ph.utexas.edu/~distler/blog/archives/001357.html

This is the same guy who did itexToMML for the N-Category Cafe - he has
some musings
on what might be going on with Safari vis-a-vis MathML.
...http://golem.ph.utexas.edu/~distler/blog/archives/001369.html

This has some of the same display issues as asciimath, just another way
of getting to the MathML. I still think a reasonable interim solution
is to hand the browser a picture, then have links off to the side that
will deliver the MathML or even the original asciimath, itex, webtex,
etc to some non-browser application if you want something
machine-parsable or want to do some semantic markup. Display isn't the
main problem MathML was supposed to address. It would be nice to start
thinking of the displayed equation as a kind of thumbnail catalog image
that one could consult to decide whether to delve deeper.

Carl

Owen Densmore wrote: