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https://www.wired.com/2016/01/in-a-huge-breakthrough-googles-ai-beats-a-top-player-at-the-game-of-go -JS ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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Fascinating! I remember the broad discussions at the Cellular Automata Conference here in 1984 on the challenges/opportunities of using a CA to play GO. I had an (unpublished of course) variation on Bill Gosper's HashLife which
I hoped might be a good basis for a winning GO system back in
those Pre Artificial Life days. MIne used a less optimal subdivision (he did quad-tree, I used N-1 Patches). The purpose was to make the memoization translation invariant at all scales, not just binary orders of magnitude. I was interested in general in the problem of using the hash to help analyze the computational complexity of a problem under solution based on the growth of the hash table. Through my colleague, Susan Stepney (who some of you know) in
York, I encouraged her grad student Jenny Owen to take this
somewhere. Alas, she chose to work with the Gosper version which
I still believe has the unfortunate artifact of quad-tree/binary
subdivision of the space, missing *many* repeated patterns at
scales and offsets not aligning with the quad-tree. Now we just need to teach it to play a mean game of "Go back to your Golden Towers" in DC? - Steve On 1/28/17 7:31 AM, Joseph Spinden
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To Joseph Spinden,
The article is old and I wonder if you play the game. I ran a Go club at the University of Manitoba and can tell you strange stories about a time before Hassabis. I swear I never won a game in 5 years but I kept playing anyway. I guess I am bloody minded. Eventually I discovered that my handicap was being reduced and suspect I was close to 1 Dan at the time. I was told that was harder than a Ph.D. So I went for the degree and sloughed off the game. There should be a few players in the congregation, let them speak up. vib -----Original Message----- From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Joseph Spinden Sent: January-28-17 8:32 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] AI advance Of interest to some: https://www.wired.com/2016/01/in-a-huge-breakthrough-googles-ai-beats-a-top- player-at-the-game-of-go -JS ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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Vlad -
I am the weakest of GO players, in spite of having considered the problem of trying to use Gosper's memoisation as a mode of associative memory problem solving. Cody the M00se Dooderson has beat me every time we have played I think. Weak, weak, weak! But I do find it fascinating. - Steve On 1/30/17 8:07 PM, Vladimyr Burachynsky wrote: > To Joseph Spinden, > > The article is old and I wonder if you play the game. > I ran a Go club at the University of Manitoba and can tell > you strange stories about a time before Hassabis. > > I swear I never won a game in 5 years but I kept playing anyway. > I guess I am bloody minded. Eventually I discovered that my handicap was > being reduced and suspect > I was close to 1 Dan at the time. I was told that was harder than a Ph.D. So > I went for the degree and sloughed off the game. > > There should be a few players in the congregation, let them speak up. > vib > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Joseph Spinden > Sent: January-28-17 8:32 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: [FRIAM] AI advance > > Of interest to some: > > https://www.wired.com/2016/01/in-a-huge-breakthrough-googles-ai-beats-a-top- > player-at-the-game-of-go > > -JS > > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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Old article, but new to me. In any case, if true it is of interest. I
was never better than 2-3 kyu, but I stopped playing some time ago.. JS On 1/30/17 8:07 PM, Vladimyr Burachynsky wrote: > To Joseph Spinden, > > The article is old and I wonder if you play the game. > I ran a Go club at the University of Manitoba and can tell > you strange stories about a time before Hassabis. > > I swear I never won a game in 5 years but I kept playing anyway. > I guess I am bloody minded. Eventually I discovered that my handicap was > being reduced and suspect > I was close to 1 Dan at the time. I was told that was harder than a Ph.D. So > I went for the degree and sloughed off the game. > > There should be a few players in the congregation, let them speak up. > vib > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Joseph Spinden > Sent: January-28-17 8:32 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: [FRIAM] AI advance > > Of interest to some: > > https://www.wired.com/2016/01/in-a-huge-breakthrough-googles-ai-beats-a-top- > player-at-the-game-of-go > > -JS > > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > -- Joe ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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So there are at least three by your count, and that was only a shallow
dredge of the pond. I obtained an early version of a computer game and frittered away a lot of hours playing that maniacal coffee maker. I found the flaw that the writer relied upon and wiped out the game every time. That style of playing against a stupid piece of code was horrible but only worked against a machine. The flaw was that it made decisions on perceived values. So it was easy to lead it into disaster. I had never seen a human play in that manner nor may that even be possible. Indeed I was able to annihilate it every game, wipe it off the board. This is considered very offensive and humiliating by Oriental Standards. But then I reminded my teachers that Cossacks were never noted for their Table Manners. Talk about a group of Intense Nicotine Addicts back then... Only a confirmed Go player could breathe that atmosphere. Though I wonder why Hawking is so afraid of this machine when it can humble the best of us. Just make the board much larger. At some point we will smell insulation burning. vib -----Original Message----- From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Steven A Smith Sent: January-30-17 9:54 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] AI advance Vlad - I am the weakest of GO players, in spite of having considered the problem of trying to use Gosper's memoisation as a mode of associative memory problem solving. Cody the M00se Dooderson has beat me every time we have played I think. Weak, weak, weak! But I do find it fascinating. - Steve On 1/30/17 8:07 PM, Vladimyr Burachynsky wrote: > To Joseph Spinden, > > The article is old and I wonder if you play the game. > I ran a Go club at the University of Manitoba and can tell you strange > stories about a time before Hassabis. > > I swear I never won a game in 5 years but I kept playing anyway. > I guess I am bloody minded. Eventually I discovered that my handicap > was being reduced and suspect I was close to 1 Dan at the time. I was > told that was harder than a Ph.D. So I went for the degree and > sloughed off the game. > > There should be a few players in the congregation, let them speak up. > vib > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Joseph > Spinden > Sent: January-28-17 8:32 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: [FRIAM] AI advance > > Of interest to some: > > https://www.wired.com/2016/01/in-a-huge-breakthrough-googles-ai-beats- > a-top- > player-at-the-game-of-go > > -JS > > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe > at St. John's College to unsubscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe > at St. John's College to unsubscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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You can find go players in Santa Fe, NM by visiting the
http://santafegoclub.org website and attending their meets and any teaching sessions. For other places see the AGA at http://usgo.org or the EGF at http://www.eurogofed.org/ AlphaGo went on to beet Korean top player Lee Seedol 4-1 in March of 2016. I don't think a larger board would help humans at all against a fully trained AlphaGo on the same size - but it is an interesting question. AlphaGo itself isn't scary it's what comes next and so on and how quickly these advances are progressing that give some great minds cause for concern. Robert C (AGA 2k) On 1/30/17 11:37 PM, Vladimyr Burachynsky wrote: > So there are at least three by your count, and that was only a shallow > dredge of the pond. > > I obtained an early version of a computer game and frittered away a lot of > hours playing > that maniacal coffee maker. I found the flaw that the writer relied upon > and wiped out the game every time. That style of playing against a > stupid piece of code was horrible but only worked against a machine. > > The flaw was that it made decisions on perceived values. So it was easy to > lead it into disaster. I had never seen a human play in that manner > nor may that even be possible. Indeed I was able to annihilate it every > game, wipe it off the board. This is considered very offensive and > humiliating by Oriental Standards. But then I reminded my teachers that > Cossacks were never noted for their Table Manners. > > Talk about a group of Intense Nicotine Addicts back then... > > Only a confirmed Go player could breathe that atmosphere. Though I wonder > why Hawking is so afraid of this > machine when it can humble the best of us. Just make the board much larger. > At some point we will smell insulation burning. > > vib > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Steven A Smith > Sent: January-30-17 9:54 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] AI advance > > Vlad - > > I am the weakest of GO players, in spite of having considered the problem > of trying to use Gosper's memoisation as a mode of associative memory > problem solving. Cody the M00se Dooderson has beat me every time we have > played I think. Weak, weak, weak! > > But I do find it fascinating. > > - Steve > > > On 1/30/17 8:07 PM, Vladimyr Burachynsky wrote: >> To Joseph Spinden, >> >> The article is old and I wonder if you play the game. >> I ran a Go club at the University of Manitoba and can tell you strange >> stories about a time before Hassabis. >> >> I swear I never won a game in 5 years but I kept playing anyway. >> I guess I am bloody minded. Eventually I discovered that my handicap >> was being reduced and suspect I was close to 1 Dan at the time. I was >> told that was harder than a Ph.D. So I went for the degree and >> sloughed off the game. >> >> There should be a few players in the congregation, let them speak up. >> vib >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Joseph >> Spinden >> Sent: January-28-17 8:32 AM >> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group >> Subject: [FRIAM] AI advance >> >> Of interest to some: >> >> https://www.wired.com/2016/01/in-a-huge-breakthrough-googles-ai-beats- >> a-top- >> player-at-the-game-of-go >> >> -JS >> >> >> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe >> at St. John's College to unsubscribe >> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe >> at St. John's College to unsubscribe >> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > -- Cirrillian Web Design & Development Santa Fe, NM http://cirrillian.com 281-989-6272 (cell) Member Design Corps of Santa Fe ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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Vlad -
> Only a confirmed Go player could breathe that atmosphere. Though I wonder > why Hawking is so afraid of this > machine when it can humble the best of us. Just make the board much larger. > At some point we will smell insulation burning. Are you sure that isn't the smell of myelin sheath burning? Seems like you would appreciate Chess Boxing as well? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_boxing ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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" AlphaGo itself isn't scary it's what comes next and so on and how quickly these advances are progressing that give some great minds cause for concern."
I just hope it comes soon. Humans aren't making very good decisions lately. Marcus ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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> " AlphaGo itself isn't scary it's what comes next and so on and how quickly these advances are progressing that give some great minds cause for concern." > > I just hope it comes soon. Humans aren't making very good decisions lately. Maybe... but somehow I'm not a lot more confident in the *product* of humans who make bad decisions making *better* decisions? Coal Fired Power Plants, Internal Combustion Engines, and even Smart Grids make decisions based on their creators values all the time. Why would an AI created by short-sited, narrow-minded humans do any better? Our Government and all of our Institutions are roughly "human steered AI"... rule-based programs if you will. And I'm not real proud of most of them right now? I *did* like the image of AI offered up in the movie "She" a few years ago. A kinder, gentler transcendence? Utopia/Dystopia! Just Sayin'! > > Marcus > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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Steve writes:
"Maybe... but somehow I'm not a lot more confident in the *product* of humans who make bad decisions making *better* decisions?" Nowadays machine learning is much more unsupervised. Self-taught, if you will. Such a consciousness might reasonably decide, "Oh they created us because they needed us -- they just didn't realize how much." Marcus ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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> On Jan 31, 2017, at 7:32 AM, Steven A Smith <[hidden email]> wrote: > > >> " AlphaGo itself isn't scary it's what comes next and so on and how quickly these advances are progressing that give some great minds cause for concern." >> >> I just hope it comes soon. Humans aren't making very good decisions lately. > Maybe... but somehow I'm not a lot more confident in the *product* of humans who make bad decisions making *better* decisions? > > Coal Fired Power Plants, Internal Combustion Engines, and even Smart Grids make decisions based on their creators values all the time. Why would an AI created by short-sited, narrow-minded humans do any better? For one thing, it can search a larger search space for solutions. > > Our Government and all of our Institutions are roughly "human steered AI"... rule-based programs if you will. And I'm not real proud of most of them right now? Not at all the same. > > I *did* like the image of AI offered up in the movie "She" a few years ago. Me too, especially how lonely the humans were when their AI pals deserted them because frankly, they were too boring. ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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Steve writes: > I *did* like the image of AI offered up in the movie "She" a few years ago. Pamela writes: > Me too, especially how lonely the humans were when their AI pals deserted them because frankly, they were too boring. Well, I was rooting for
Maeve all along. Marcus ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Pamela McCorduck <[hidden email]> wrote:
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In a book I read several years ago, whose title I cannot recall, the
conclusion was: "They may have created us, but they keep gumming things up. They have outlived their usefulness. Better to just get rid of them." -JS On 1/31/17 7:41 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Steve writes: > > "Maybe... but somehow I'm not a lot more confident in the *product* of humans who make bad decisions making *better* decisions?" > > Nowadays machine learning is much more unsupervised. Self-taught, if you will. Such a consciousness might reasonably decide, "Oh they created us because they needed us -- they just didn't realize how much." > > Marcus > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > -- Joe ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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To consider the issue perhaps more seriously, AI100 was created two years ago at Stanford University, funded by Eric Horowitz and his wife. Eric is an early AI pioneer at Microsoft. It’s a hundred-year, rolling study of the many impacts of AI, and it plans to issue reports every five years based on contributions from leading AI researchers, social scientists, ethicists, and philosophers (among representatives of fields outside AI).
Its first report was issued late last year, and you can read it on the AI100 website. You may say that leading AI researchers and their friends have vested interests, but then I point to a number of other organizations who have taken on the topic of AI and its impact: nearly every major university has such a program (Georgia Tech, MIT, UC Berkeley, Michigan, just for instance), and a joint program on the future between Oxford and Cambridge has put a great deal of effort into such studies. The amateur speculation is fun, but the professionals are paying attention. FWIW, I consider the fictional representations of AI in movies, books, TV, to be valuable scenario builders. It doesn’t matter if they’re farfetched (most of them certainly are) but it does matter that they raise interesting issues for nonspecialists to chew over. Pamela > On Jan 31, 2017, at 8:18 AM, Joe Spinden <[hidden email]> wrote: > > In a book I read several years ago, whose title I cannot recall, the conclusion was: "They may have created us, but they keep gumming things up. They have outlived their usefulness. Better to just get rid of them." > > -JS > > > On 1/31/17 7:41 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> Steve writes: >> >> "Maybe... but somehow I'm not a lot more confident in the *product* of humans who make bad decisions making *better* decisions?" >> >> Nowadays machine learning is much more unsupervised. Self-taught, if you will. Such a consciousness might reasonably decide, "Oh they created us because they needed us -- they just didn't realize how much." >> >> Marcus >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >> > > -- > Joe > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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So once AI machines are allowed to start designing themselves with at
least the goal for increasing performance, how long have we got? (It doesn't matter whether we (ie the US) allow that or some other resourceful, perhaps military, organization does it.) Didn't Hawking fear runaway AI as a bigger existential threat than runaway greenhouse effects? Robert C On 1/31/17 10:34 AM, Pamela McCorduck wrote: > To consider the issue perhaps more seriously, AI100 was created two years ago at Stanford University, funded by Eric Horowitz and his wife. Eric is an early AI pioneer at Microsoft. It’s a hundred-year, rolling study of the many impacts of AI, and it plans to issue reports every five years based on contributions from leading AI researchers, social scientists, ethicists, and philosophers (among representatives of fields outside AI). > > Its first report was issued late last year, and you can read it on the AI100 website. > > You may say that leading AI researchers and their friends have vested interests, but then I point to a number of other organizations who have taken on the topic of AI and its impact: nearly every major university has such a program (Georgia Tech, MIT, UC Berkeley, Michigan, just for instance), and a joint program on the future between Oxford and Cambridge has put a great deal of effort into such studies. > > The amateur speculation is fun, but the professionals are paying attention. FWIW, I consider the fictional representations of AI in movies, books, TV, to be valuable scenario builders. It doesn’t matter if they’re farfetched (most of them certainly are) but it does matter that they raise interesting issues for nonspecialists to chew over. > > Pamela > > > >> On Jan 31, 2017, at 8:18 AM, Joe Spinden <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> In a book I read several years ago, whose title I cannot recall, the conclusion was: "They may have created us, but they keep gumming things up. They have outlived their usefulness. Better to just get rid of them." >> >> -JS >> >> >> On 1/31/17 7:41 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >>> Steve writes: >>> >>> "Maybe... but somehow I'm not a lot more confident in the *product* of humans who make bad decisions making *better* decisions?" >>> >>> Nowadays machine learning is much more unsupervised. Self-taught, if you will. Such a consciousness might reasonably decide, "Oh they created us because they needed us -- they just didn't realize how much." >>> >>> Marcus >>> >>> ============================================================ >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >>> >> -- >> Joe >> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove -- Cirrillian Web Design & Development Santa Fe, NM http://cirrillian.com 281-989-6272 (cell) Member Design Corps of Santa Fe ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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Why assume they would be interested in our fate or that they'd compete for our resources? They'd probably just head for another environment that was hostile to human life, but not to them. If for some reason they needed to occupy our computers for a while, they'd surely be better at it than the botnets of human criminals and script-kiddies.
-----Original Message----- From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Robert J. Cordingley Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:24 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] AI advance So once AI machines are allowed to start designing themselves with at least the goal for increasing performance, how long have we got? (It doesn't matter whether we (ie the US) allow that or some other resourceful, perhaps military, organization does it.) Didn't Hawking fear runaway AI as a bigger existential threat than runaway greenhouse effects? Robert C On 1/31/17 10:34 AM, Pamela McCorduck wrote: > To consider the issue perhaps more seriously, AI100 was created two years ago at Stanford University, funded by Eric Horowitz and his wife. Eric is an early AI pioneer at Microsoft. It’s a hundred-year, rolling study of the many impacts of AI, and it plans to issue reports every five years based on contributions from leading AI researchers, social scientists, ethicists, and philosophers (among representatives of fields outside AI). > > Its first report was issued late last year, and you can read it on the AI100 website. > > You may say that leading AI researchers and their friends have vested interests, but then I point to a number of other organizations who have taken on the topic of AI and its impact: nearly every major university has such a program (Georgia Tech, MIT, UC Berkeley, Michigan, just for instance), and a joint program on the future between Oxford and Cambridge has put a great deal of effort into such studies. > > The amateur speculation is fun, but the professionals are paying attention. FWIW, I consider the fictional representations of AI in movies, books, TV, to be valuable scenario builders. It doesn’t matter if they’re farfetched (most of them certainly are) but it does matter that they raise interesting issues for nonspecialists to chew over. > > Pamela > > > >> On Jan 31, 2017, at 8:18 AM, Joe Spinden <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> In a book I read several years ago, whose title I cannot recall, the conclusion was: "They may have created us, but they keep gumming things up. They have outlived their usefulness. Better to just get rid of them." >> >> -JS >> >> >> On 1/31/17 7:41 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >>> Steve writes: >>> >>> "Maybe... but somehow I'm not a lot more confident in the *product* of humans who make bad decisions making *better* decisions?" >>> >>> Nowadays machine learning is much more unsupervised. Self-taught, if you will. Such a consciousness might reasonably decide, "Oh they created us because they needed us -- they just didn't realize how much." >>> >>> Marcus >>> >>> ============================================================ >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at >>> cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe >>> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >>> >> -- >> Joe >> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at >> cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe >> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe > at St. John's College to unsubscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove -- Cirrillian Web Design & Development Santa Fe, NM http://cirrillian.com 281-989-6272 (cell) Member Design Corps of Santa Fe ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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Hmmm why do I worry about 'clankers' deciding humans are jerks and suddenly we're living inside a game while the robots laugh and play agame of Unu? I think I saw that move. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 9:44 AM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote: Why assume they would be interested in our fate or that they'd compete for our resources? They'd probably just head for another environment that was hostile to human life, but not to them. If for some reason they needed to occupy our computers for a while, they'd surely be better at it than the botnets of human criminals and script-kiddies. ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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We’ve even managed to mess up the
climate. That’s a serious kind of stubborn stupidity. I think those hypothetical clankers may have a point.
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On Behalf Of Gillian Densmore Hmmm why do I worry about 'clankers' deciding humans are jerks and suddenly we're living inside a game while the robots laugh and play agame of Unu? I think I saw that move. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 9:44 AM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:
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