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Jochen Fromm-5

2019 - The end of Trumpism

Merry christmas and a happy new year 2019! I hope Mueller will finish his report in 2019 and I assume president Trump will either resign or be impeached like Nixon, since the House belongs now to the democrats (Did you know "Mueller" is the German version of "Miller" btw? As you know a miller is someone who creates the flour we need for life) Then Donald will spend the rest of his life in prison or seek asylum in Russia. This would be the end of "Trumpism". But who knows, it's a complex world. In hindsight we will learn more about "Trumpism" as well. At the moment it seems to be a mixture of the original Italian fascism and post-soviet authoritarianism, i.e. the rule of an authoritarian leader who demands absolute loyalty and trusts only his family. I believe we can only decode social systems if we really understand the various forms of *-isms like fascism, nazism or communism, and how they are related.

-Jochen

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Gary Schiltz-4

Re: 2019 - The end of Trumpism

I wish I could be as positive about the end of "Trumpism", but I too well understand the people who support him, and their support is the manifestation of a very ugly streak that runs through the American psyche. I think Trump will survive Mueller and get re-elected in 2020. Happy new year to you, too :-)

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 9:53 AM Jochen Fromm <[hidden email]> wrote:

Merry christmas and a happy new year 2019! I hope Mueller will finish his report in 2019 and I assume president Trump will either resign or be impeached like Nixon, since the House belongs now to the democrats (Did you know "Mueller" is the German version of "Miller" btw? As you know a miller is someone who creates the flour we need for life) Then Donald will spend the rest of his life in prison or seek asylum in Russia. This would be the end of "Trumpism". But who knows, it's a complex world. In hindsight we will learn more about "Trumpism" as well. At the moment it seems to be a mixture of the original Italian fascism and post-soviet authoritarianism, i.e. the rule of an authoritarian leader who demands absolute loyalty and trusts only his family. I believe we can only decode social systems if we really understand the various forms of *-isms like fascism, nazism or communism, and how they are related.

-Jochen

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: 2019 - The end of Trumpism

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Dear Pollyanna,

It will end and we’ll all learn an important lesson?

Whew, I was worried there for a minute!

Thanks,

Marcus

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-Jochen

Steve Smith

Re: 2019 - The end of Trumpism

I prefer the model of Twain's "history doesn't repeat itself, it rhymes"...

It appears that the great poem of life has lapsed into a riff of thug-rap (taking names and popping caps)... which could go on for quite a while... apparently there are a lot of folks who want/need that kind of angry/negative me-first energy?

And a slap-happy new year to you too!

Dear Pollyanna,

It will end and we’ll all learn an important lesson?

Whew, I was worried there for a minute!

Thanks,

Marcus

From: Friam [hidden email] on behalf of Jochen Fromm [hidden email]
Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 at 6:53 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] 2019 - The end of Trumpism

Merry christmas and a happy new year 2019! I hope Mueller will finish his report in 2019 and I assume president Trump will either resign or be impeached like Nixon, since the House belongs now to the democrats (Did you know "Mueller" is the German version of "Miller" btw? As you know a miller is someone who creates the flour we need for life) Then Donald will spend the rest of his life in prison or seek asylum in Russia. This would be the end of "Trumpism". But who knows, it's a complex world. In hindsight we will learn more about "Trumpism" as well. At the moment it seems to be a mixture of the original Italian fascism and post-soviet authoritarianism, i.e. the rule of an authoritarian leader who demands absolute loyalty and trusts only his family. I believe we can only decode social systems if we really understand the various forms of *-isms like fascism, nazism or communism, and how they are related.

-Jochen
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Steve Smith

Re: 2019 - The end of Trumpism

Jochen -

A little less, tongue-in-cheek:

Thanks for the positive thoughts... and I think you can add to your list of "isms" we need to understand 'more better' to avoid giving them more power over us are other abstractions like "democracy" and "capitalism". I grew up worshiping the latter two unquestioningly and climbing the ladders they offered as fast as I could, even though I am pretty sure I "heard" the muffled cries of those whose heads I was stepping on to "climb" and the "feel" of their fingers under my feet as they tried to climb the very same rungs I was clambering up.

_Democracy_ was summarized well for me (it is only a point-indicator, but a significant one) as "Democracy is the tyranny of the majority over the minority". It became most poignant to me in 2000 when the Republican's used their outsized lung-capacity to "blow the flipped coin of a hung-election over" and then claimed a "mandate". The Donald and the very same Republican Machine did it again (if differently in detail) in 2016, shouting MANDATE! even louder. Had the Dems been able to blow the coin over the other way in 2000 or if they had been better at gerrymandering and social engineering in 2016 (I claim they were good enough at the latter to put Hillary in front of Bernie for the "finals"), THEY would have claimed a mandate, although probably with less overt belligerence, but perhaps to the same effect... a significant tyranny of a pseudo-majority over a pseudo-minority.

_Capitalism_ isn't entirely synonymous with _Consumerism_ but they seem very deeply entwined... and the most obvious hazard of Capitalism is the truism that we love to hate of "the rich get richer" (and in complement, "poor get poorer"). In a time when Bush-II could declare in the wake of 9/11 "just go out and buy something!" (backed up by a small tax-rebate to get the spending pump primed?) as a presumed remedy to keep the Terrorist's attack on Wall Street from rippling into the consumer-confidence (extravagance?) economy, and now with Trump imagining that tearing down any regulatory feedback (legal and social) on our exploitative economy is the same as "creating wealth" and that hold interest rates near zero (effectively subsidizing big-Capital) is the same as having "healthy growth". It might also be noted that we don't have a phrase for "healthy steady-state" or "healthy pull-back". We only know how to stimulate growth/expansion/usery/exploitation every way we can until the resulting bubble collapses under it's own weight/thinness.

A decade or two ago *I* might have responded to this kind of talk with a confrontational "so you would rather have totalitarian/fascism???!!!!" without thinking far enough to realize that a truly healthy way of being (locally and globally) might be something fundamentally different than what we've discovered in our myriad experiments in economics and politics. At the same time, paradoxically, while *fundamentally* different, that difference may be in subtle qualities, not in quantity. It might not require us to deny the fact of human (animal appetites) for material comforts and social relevance... and in fact, it may depend on doing exactly that without extreme over-indulgences in either. The Trump family is a pretty good example of how we fetishize extreme indulgences in both material wealth and social significance.

May 2019 unfold as it will! I for one, feel lucky to be living in these "interesting times", no matter how "inconvenient" many of the details seem to be for me, mine, and those much less fortunate than "we".

- Steve

I prefer the model of Twain's "history doesn't repeat itself, it rhymes"...

It appears that the great poem of life has lapsed into a riff of thug-rap (taking names and popping caps)... which could go on for quite a while... apparently there are a lot of folks who want/need that kind of angry/negative me-first energy?

And a slap-happy new year to you too!
Dear Pollyanna,

It will end and we’ll all learn an important lesson?

Whew, I was worried there for a minute!

Thanks,

Marcus

From: Friam [hidden email] on behalf of Jochen Fromm [hidden email]
Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 at 6:53 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] 2019 - The end of Trumpism

Merry christmas and a happy new year 2019! I hope Mueller will finish his report in 2019 and I assume president Trump will either resign or be impeached like Nixon, since the House belongs now to the democrats (Did you know "Mueller" is the German version of "Miller" btw? As you know a miller is someone who creates the flour we need for life) Then Donald will spend the rest of his life in prison or seek asylum in Russia. This would be the end of "Trumpism". But who knows, it's a complex world. In hindsight we will learn more about "Trumpism" as well. At the moment it seems to be a mixture of the original Italian fascism and post-soviet authoritarianism, i.e. the rule of an authoritarian leader who demands absolute loyalty and trusts only his family. I believe we can only decode social systems if we really understand the various forms of *-isms like fascism, nazism or communism, and how they are related.

-Jochen
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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: 2019 - The end of Trumpism

In reply to this post by Steve Smith

Steve writes:

"Democracy is the tyranny of the majority over the minority"

The majority elected Hillary Clinton.

Marcus

Gillian Densmore

Re: 2019 - The end of Trumpism

I am skeptical Donald will resign.

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 10:39 AM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Steve writes:

"Democracy is the tyranny of the majority over the minority"

The majority elected Hillary Clinton.

Marcus

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Prof David West

Re: 2019 - The end of Trumpism

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Mueller will disclose nothing except what everyone already knows - Trump and his circle are immoral opportunists - totally corrupt and completely blind to those occasions they cross the thin line of absolutely technical legality (however much they violate the spirit of law) into the indictable and convict-able behavior.

And Trump will survive and almost certainly be re-elected. Especially if the opposition is Bernie, Beto, or Biden - or, and don't dismiss this out of hand, Hillary.

And we should learn a lot about isms: perhaps most importantly the difference between narcissism and fascism (nobody is getting that difference, so far).

And it would serve "the opposition" to get a clue about the fact that the vast majority of Trump supporters do not suffer from racism, sexism, 'genderism', "me-first-ism," etc. Instead recognize that their primary affliction is individualism - and even libertarian-ism (despite some obvious contradictions from the religious among them) - along with corollaries of "anti-government control-ism," "personal-responsibility-ism," and "my-values-are-just-as-valid-as-yours-ism."

davew

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018, at 9:36 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

Dear Pollyanna,

It will end and we’ll all learn an important lesson?

Whew, I was worried there for a minute!

Thanks,

Marcus

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Jochen Fromm <[hidden email]>
Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Date: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 at 6:53 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: [FRIAM] 2019 - The end of Trumpism

Merry christmas and a happy new year 2019! I hope Mueller will finish his report in 2019 and I assume president Trump will either resign or be impeached like Nixon, since the House belongs now to the democrats (Did you know "Mueller" is the German version of "Miller" btw? As you know a miller is someone who creates the flour we need for life) Then Donald will spend the rest of his life in prison or seek asylum in Russia. This would be the end of "Trumpism". But who knows, it's a complex world. In hindsight we will learn more about "Trumpism" as well. At the moment it seems to be a mixture of the original Italian fascism and post-soviet authoritarianism, i.e. the rule of an authoritarian leader who demands absolute loyalty and trusts only his family. I believe we can only decode social systems if we really understand the various forms of *-isms like fascism, nazism or communism, and how they are related.

-Jochen

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Frank Wimberly-2

Re: 2019 - The end of Trumpism

Trump's approval rating over time.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

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On Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 11:16 AM Prof David West <[hidden email] wrote:

Mueller will disclose nothing except what everyone already knows - Trump and his circle are immoral opportunists - totally corrupt and completely blind to those occasions they cross the thin line of absolutely technical legality (however much they violate the spirit of law) into the indictable and convict-able behavior.

And Trump will survive and almost certainly be re-elected. Especially if the opposition is Bernie, Beto, or Biden - or, and don't dismiss this out of hand, Hillary.

And we should learn a lot about isms: perhaps most importantly the difference between narcissism and fascism (nobody is getting that difference, so far).

And it would serve "the opposition" to get a clue about the fact that the vast majority of Trump supporters do not suffer from racism, sexism, 'genderism', "me-first-ism," etc. Instead recognize that their primary affliction is individualism - and even libertarian-ism (despite some obvious contradictions from the religious among them) - along with corollaries of "anti-government control-ism," "personal-responsibility-ism," and "my-values-are-just-as-valid-as-yours-ism."

davew

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018, at 9:36 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

Dear Pollyanna,

It will end and we’ll all learn an important lesson?

Whew, I was worried there for a minute!

Thanks,

Marcus

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Jochen Fromm <[hidden email]>
Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Date: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 at 6:53 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: [FRIAM] 2019 - The end of Trumpism

Merry christmas and a happy new year 2019! I hope Mueller will finish his report in 2019 and I assume president Trump will either resign or be impeached like Nixon, since the House belongs now to the democrats (Did you know "Mueller" is the German version of "Miller" btw? As you know a miller is someone who creates the flour we need for life) Then Donald will spend the rest of his life in prison or seek asylum in Russia. This would be the end of "Trumpism". But who knows, it's a complex world. In hindsight we will learn more about "Trumpism" as well. At the moment it seems to be a mixture of the original Italian fascism and post-soviet authoritarianism, i.e. the rule of an authoritarian leader who demands absolute loyalty and trusts only his family. I believe we can only decode social systems if we really understand the various forms of *-isms like fascism, nazism or communism, and how they are related.

-Jochen

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: 2019 - The end of Trumpism

In reply to this post by Prof David West

Well, I’ll do my best not to smile as he sucks their blood dry!

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 26, 2018, at 10:16 AM, Prof David West <[hidden email]> wrote:

Mueller will disclose nothing except what everyone already knows - Trump and his circle are immoral opportunists - totally corrupt and completely blind to those occasions they cross the thin line of absolutely technical legality (however much they violate the spirit of law) into the indictable and convict-able behavior.

And Trump will survive and almost certainly be re-elected. Especially if the opposition is Bernie, Beto, or Biden - or, and don't dismiss this out of hand, Hillary.

And we should learn a lot about isms: perhaps most importantly the difference between narcissism and fascism (nobody is getting that difference, so far).

And it would serve "the opposition" to get a clue about the fact that the vast majority of Trump supporters do not suffer from racism, sexism, 'genderism', "me-first-ism," etc. Instead recognize that their primary affliction is individualism - and even libertarian-ism (despite some obvious contradictions from the religious among them) - along with corollaries of "anti-government control-ism," "personal-responsibility-ism," and "my-values-are-just-as-valid-as-yours-ism."

davew

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018, at 9:36 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

Dear Pollyanna,

It will end and we’ll all learn an important lesson?

Whew, I was worried there for a minute!

Thanks,

Marcus

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Jochen Fromm <[hidden email]>
Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Date: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 at 6:53 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: [FRIAM] 2019 - The end of Trumpism

Merry christmas and a happy new year 2019! I hope Mueller will finish his report in 2019 and I assume president Trump will either resign or be impeached like Nixon, since the House belongs now to the democrats (Did you know "Mueller" is the German version of "Miller" btw? As you know a miller is someone who creates the flour we need for life) Then Donald will spend the rest of his life in prison or seek asylum in Russia. This would be the end of "Trumpism". But who knows, it's a complex world. In hindsight we will learn more about "Trumpism" as well. At the moment it seems to be a mixture of the original Italian fascism and post-soviet authoritarianism, i.e. the rule of an authoritarian leader who demands absolute loyalty and trusts only his family. I believe we can only decode social systems if we really understand the various forms of *-isms like fascism, nazism or communism, and how they are related.

-Jochen

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gepr

Re: 2019 - The end of Trumpism

In reply to this post by Prof David West

I always insist on discussing politics and religion in polite company, despite the ancient wisdom to avoid them. Over this holiday season, I've had the opportunity to witness a common thread in "their" argument(s):

"In my experience ..."

Perhaps it stood out, first, because of our haranguing Peirce's "experience" conception of the real. But I've seen hints of it in the defense (some) atheists present for claiming Islam is a worse religion than Christianity. In any case, the 1st episode allowed me to provide a counter-argument. We were talking about subtle forms of racism and my fellow discussant suggested that, Oregon being one of the most racist States, many people who seem racist are not, actually. She said their statements about "most black people" or "most mexicans ..." (little "m" because they don't actually mean citizens of Mexico when they use the word) are simply statements of their "experience". Trying to steelman her position, she's claiming that if someone owns, say, a farm and employs a lot of brown skinned people who speak Spanish, when they talk about mexicans, they're speaking from their experience of them. And, to some mysterious extent, that argument is sound (if invalid).

My counter argument was to challenge that such people don't even know what a "mexican" is. They can't define the term. Their usage is inconsitent. Etc. And if you don't have any serious understanding of the concept you've induced, then a) not only is the induction invalid, but b) any generalization from such induction is b1) flawed because ... induction and b2) flawed because the induction is invalid in the first place. She ceded the argument.

The 2nd episode was Xmas eve at the only restaurant that was open here'bouts (Renee' was on call and I can't cook). The brother of the owner was at the bar (where we always sit), along with a few employees enjoying the slow night. Said brother owns a few restaurants in LA and was complaining about all the liberals there. He was happy about the shutdown and asserted that "the government is the new mafia". I attempted to show that as a false equivalence, but failed ... perhaps because he was 2 sheets gone. After we paid and were about to leave, he pulled the same thread: "I hope you know what I'm saying is only what I've learned from my own experiences." He was attempting to end the evening on a conciliatory note. I didn't even try to trash his conception of "his own experiences". Shame on me.

But I'm now on the lookout for permutations on experiential rhetoric like the "my values are just as valid as yours" ... and, more importantly, ways in which such can be seen as absurd as it is.

On 12/26/18 10:16 AM, Prof David West wrote:
> - along with
> corollaries of "anti-government control-ism," "personal-responsibility-
> ism," and "my-values-are-just-as-valid-as-yours-ism."

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Gillian Densmore

Re: 2019 - The end of Trumpism

In reply to this post by Steve Smith

FWIW the RNC's media department on twitter has said they're "considering" declaring Donald unfit for 'his current position' . One can only guess when/If they'll make good . I didn't even know it was a thing that thing the can do.

I have ton of concerns about this whole mess....my uncomplicated mind thinks: oook if the health and well being of countery leads to a lot of really amazing things sometimes. What's the question? If someone simply can't do a job (POTUS or otherwise) why should their be any shame at all in them saying: oh well mea culpa turns out I can't actually run a company or nonproffit or what ever.

Personally i think it's a good thing for people to try then say: well turns out I can't after all let me find someone that can. On the practical side you tried then found out well simply don't have skills to do so. That's awesome.

Not so much to keep saying but but I can see that dumpster fire actually is just a dumpster with a built in incinerator unit yeah that's it! it was a undocumented feature or what ever.

I just don't get why the GOP can't (or won't ) tell donald: either you can step down saying that, or we'll as gamers say: vote to kick you out. Your call. Only instead of a vote to kick it's a vote of noconfidence, or a disastrously terrible job review (impeachment) or being arrested (turns out that's a thing now ).

Question: For people in parliamentarian countries is it culture thing when a PM says; quits sighting They can't actually fix or run the parliament. . For example . Recently that was why Austria and Aultrillia had 5? PM's in a scant' 12 month period.

Genuinely curious!

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 9:58 AM Steven A Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

I prefer the model of Twain's "history doesn't repeat itself, it rhymes"...

It appears that the great poem of life has lapsed into a riff of thug-rap (taking names and popping caps)... which could go on for quite a while... apparently there are a lot of folks who want/need that kind of angry/negative me-first energy?

And a slap-happy new year to you too!
Dear Pollyanna,

It will end and we’ll all learn an important lesson?

Whew, I was worried there for a minute!

Thanks,

Marcus

From: Friam [hidden email] on behalf of Jochen Fromm [hidden email]
Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 at 6:53 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] 2019 - The end of Trumpism

Merry christmas and a happy new year 2019! I hope Mueller will finish his report in 2019 and I assume president Trump will either resign or be impeached like Nixon, since the House belongs now to the democrats (Did you know "Mueller" is the German version of "Miller" btw? As you know a miller is someone who creates the flour we need for life) Then Donald will spend the rest of his life in prison or seek asylum in Russia. This would be the end of "Trumpism". But who knows, it's a complex world. In hindsight we will learn more about "Trumpism" as well. At the moment it seems to be a mixture of the original Italian fascism and post-soviet authoritarianism, i.e. the rule of an authoritarian leader who demands absolute loyalty and trusts only his family. I believe we can only decode social systems if we really understand the various forms of *-isms like fascism, nazism or communism, and how they are related.

-Jochen
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Jochen Fromm-5

Re: 2019 - The end of Trumpism

In reply to this post by Prof David West

I'm especially interested in understanding the different kind of *- isms, individually and collectively, like Erich Fromm. Narcissism on a collective level of a whole nation is similar to nationalism. It is the belief that the own nation is superior to the rest and far better than others. I believe Erich Fromm observed something similar, but I don't remember the book where he mentions it. He tried to analyze Nazism in Germany from a psychological and sociological perspective. And he spent some time in Santa Fe, too (no, we are unfortunately not related).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism

Authoritarianism on an individual level could be considered as the expectance of strict obedience to authority, for instance the family father that expects strict obedience to his authority. What it has in common which narcissism is the lack of concern for the wishes and opinions of others. On a collective level it appears in authoritarian regimes and dictatorships, where usually a ruling family governs a country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism

Trumpism has elements of both MAGA nationalism and authoritarianism. The 45 president demands absolute loyalty (as former FBI director Comey has reported) and attacks constantly the media. If Trump is successful in his fight against CNN, the NY Times and freedom of speech in general, and only FoxNews is left, then America would indeed begin to resemble a post-totalitarian authoritarian regime we know from the former Soviet Union.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism

Usually these kind of systems can be observed if an empire or kingdom has collapsed and the institutions are gone or severely weakened. In a sense, communism in the Soviet Union can be seen as a post-authoritarian totalitarian regime, because it appeared after the authoritarian empire of the tsar disappeared in the Russian Revolution, similar to Nazism in Germany which appeared shortly after the German empire and the last German emperor disappeared (who lived in the Dutch exile) or Napoleonism which appeared shortly after the French kingdom disappeared in the French Revolution.

The question is will the American institutions be strong enough to stop the emerging authoritarianism? Since America is one of the oldest democracy of the world, there is hope!

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/the-real-birth-of-american-democracy-83232825/

-Jochen

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From: Prof David West <[hidden email]>

Date: 12/26/18 19:16 (GMT+01:00)

To: [hidden email]

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] 2019 - The end of Trumpism

And Trump will survive and almost certainly be re-elected. Especially if the opposition is Bernie, Beto, or Biden - or, and don't dismiss this out of hand, Hillary.

And we should learn a lot about isms: perhaps most importantly the difference between narcissism and fascism (nobody is getting that difference, so far).

davew

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018, at 9:36 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

Dear Pollyanna,

It will end and we’ll all learn an important lesson?

Whew, I was worried there for a minute!

Thanks,

Marcus

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Jochen Fromm <[hidden email]>
Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Date: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 at 6:53 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: [FRIAM] 2019 - The end of Trumpism

Merry christmas and a happy new year 2019! I hope Mueller will finish his report in 2019 and I assume president Trump will either resign or be impeached like Nixon, since the House belongs now to the democrats (Did you know "Mueller" is the German version of "Miller" btw? As you know a miller is someone who creates the flour we need for life) Then Donald will spend the rest of his life in prison or seek asylum in Russia. This would be the end of "Trumpism". But who knows, it's a complex world. In hindsight we will learn more about "Trumpism" as well. At the moment it seems to be a mixture of the original Italian fascism and post-soviet authoritarianism, i.e. the rule of an authoritarian leader who demands absolute loyalty and trusts only his family. I believe we can only decode social systems if we really understand the various forms of *-isms like fascism, nazism or communism, and how they are related.

-Jochen

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Tom Johnson

Re: 2019 - The end of Trumpism

In reply to this post by Gillian Densmore

You wrote: "... the RNC's media department on twitter has said they're "considering" declaring Donald unfit for 'his current position' . "
Do you have the link(s) to that statement?

Tom

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On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 1:43 PM Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

FWIW the RNC's media department on twitter has said they're "considering" declaring Donald unfit for 'his current position' . One can only guess when/If they'll make good . I didn't even know it was a thing that thing the can do.
I have ton of concerns about this whole mess....my uncomplicated mind thinks: oook if the health and well being of countery leads to a lot of really amazing things sometimes. What's the question? If someone simply can't do a job (POTUS or otherwise) why should their be any shame at all in them saying: oh well mea culpa turns out I can't actually run a company or nonproffit or what ever.
Personally i think it's a good thing for people to try then say: well turns out I can't after all let me find someone that can. On the practical side you tried then found out well simply don't have skills to do so. That's awesome.
Not so much to keep saying but but I can see that dumpster fire actually is just a dumpster with a built in incinerator unit yeah that's it! it was a undocumented feature or what ever.
I just don't get why the GOP can't (or won't ) tell donald: either you can step down saying that, or we'll as gamers say: vote to kick you out. Your call. Only instead of a vote to kick it's a vote of noconfidence, or a disastrously terrible job review (impeachment) or being arrested (turns out that's a thing now ).
Question: For people in parliamentarian countries is it culture thing when a PM says; quits sighting They can't actually fix or run the parliament. . For example . Recently that was why Austria and Aultrillia had 5? PM's in a scant' 12 month period.

Genuinely curious!
On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 9:58 AM Steven A Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
I prefer the model of Twain's "history doesn't repeat itself, it rhymes"...

It appears that the great poem of life has lapsed into a riff of thug-rap (taking names and popping caps)... which could go on for quite a while... apparently there are a lot of folks who want/need that kind of angry/negative me-first energy?

And a slap-happy new year to you too!
Dear Pollyanna,

It will end and we’ll all learn an important lesson?

Whew, I was worried there for a minute!

Thanks,

Marcus

From: Friam [hidden email] on behalf of Jochen Fromm [hidden email]
Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 at 6:53 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] 2019 - The end of Trumpism

Merry christmas and a happy new year 2019! I hope Mueller will finish his report in 2019 and I assume president Trump will either resign or be impeached like Nixon, since the House belongs now to the democrats (Did you know "Mueller" is the German version of "Miller" btw? As you know a miller is someone who creates the flour we need for life) Then Donald will spend the rest of his life in prison or seek asylum in Russia. This would be the end of "Trumpism". But who knows, it's a complex world. In hindsight we will learn more about "Trumpism" as well. At the moment it seems to be a mixture of the original Italian fascism and post-soviet authoritarianism, i.e. the rule of an authoritarian leader who demands absolute loyalty and trusts only his family. I believe we can only decode social systems if we really understand the various forms of *-isms like fascism, nazism or communism, and how they are related.

-Jochen
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Frank Wimberly-2

Re: 2019 - The end of Trumpism

The Trump presidency:

https://youtu.be/Pviuk_WuwmM

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https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly

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On Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 2:31 PM Tom Johnson <[hidden email] wrote:

You wrote: "... the RNC's media department on twitter has said they're "considering" declaring Donald unfit for 'his current position' . "
Do you have the link(s) to that statement?
Tom

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On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 1:43 PM Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
FWIW the RNC's media department on twitter has said they're "considering" declaring Donald unfit for 'his current position' . One can only guess when/If they'll make good . I didn't even know it was a thing that thing the can do.
I have ton of concerns about this whole mess....my uncomplicated mind thinks: oook if the health and well being of countery leads to a lot of really amazing things sometimes. What's the question? If someone simply can't do a job (POTUS or otherwise) why should their be any shame at all in them saying: oh well mea culpa turns out I can't actually run a company or nonproffit or what ever.
Personally i think it's a good thing for people to try then say: well turns out I can't after all let me find someone that can. On the practical side you tried then found out well simply don't have skills to do so. That's awesome.
Not so much to keep saying but but I can see that dumpster fire actually is just a dumpster with a built in incinerator unit yeah that's it! it was a undocumented feature or what ever.
I just don't get why the GOP can't (or won't ) tell donald: either you can step down saying that, or we'll as gamers say: vote to kick you out. Your call. Only instead of a vote to kick it's a vote of noconfidence, or a disastrously terrible job review (impeachment) or being arrested (turns out that's a thing now ).
Question: For people in parliamentarian countries is it culture thing when a PM says; quits sighting They can't actually fix or run the parliament. . For example . Recently that was why Austria and Aultrillia had 5? PM's in a scant' 12 month period.

Genuinely curious!
On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 9:58 AM Steven A Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
I prefer the model of Twain's "history doesn't repeat itself, it rhymes"...

It appears that the great poem of life has lapsed into a riff of thug-rap (taking names and popping caps)... which could go on for quite a while... apparently there are a lot of folks who want/need that kind of angry/negative me-first energy?

And a slap-happy new year to you too!
Dear Pollyanna,

It will end and we’ll all learn an important lesson?

Whew, I was worried there for a minute!

Thanks,

Marcus

From: Friam [hidden email] on behalf of Jochen Fromm [hidden email]
Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 at 6:53 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] 2019 - The end of Trumpism

Merry christmas and a happy new year 2019! I hope Mueller will finish his report in 2019 and I assume president Trump will either resign or be impeached like Nixon, since the House belongs now to the democrats (Did you know "Mueller" is the German version of "Miller" btw? As you know a miller is someone who creates the flour we need for life) Then Donald will spend the rest of his life in prison or seek asylum in Russia. This would be the end of "Trumpism". But who knows, it's a complex world. In hindsight we will learn more about "Trumpism" as well. At the moment it seems to be a mixture of the original Italian fascism and post-soviet authoritarianism, i.e. the rule of an authoritarian leader who demands absolute loyalty and trusts only his family. I believe we can only decode social systems if we really understand the various forms of *-isms like fascism, nazism or communism, and how they are related.

-Jochen
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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: 2019 - The end of Trumpism

In reply to this post by Prof David West

David writes:

“And it would serve "the opposition" to get a clue about the fact that the vast majority of Trump supporters do not suffer from racism, sexism, 'genderism', "me-first-ism," etc. Instead recognize that their primary affliction is individualism - and even libertarian-ism (despite some obvious contradictions from the religious among them) - along with corollaries of "anti-government control-ism," "personal-responsibility-ism," and "my-values-are-just-as-valid-as-yours-ism."

The racism and sexism arise from the false supposition that personal responsibility is all that is required to thrive. They fail to acknowledge that public policy can level the playing field and give everyone a fair chance to develop their own values and priorities for their life – to become individuals. Trump supporters are not individualists, they are just people trying to recover privilege they didn’t earn and now see slipping away. They are worse than conventional conservatives because they lack any moral center. They want to see regressive norms because those are the only norms they can get their head around.

Marcus

Gillian Densmore

Re: 2019 - The end of Trumpism

Here's an older one https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/07/19/lawmakers-urge-gop-act-more-assertive-check-against-president/491663001/

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 3:44 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

David writes:

“And it would serve "the opposition" to get a clue about the fact that the vast majority of Trump supporters do not suffer from racism, sexism, 'genderism', "me-first-ism," etc. Instead recognize that their primary affliction is individualism - and even libertarian-ism (despite some obvious contradictions from the religious among them) - along with corollaries of "anti-government control-ism," "personal-responsibility-ism," and "my-values-are-just-as-valid-as-yours-ism."

The racism and sexism arise from the false supposition that personal responsibility is all that is required to thrive. They fail to acknowledge that public policy can level the playing field and give everyone a fair chance to develop their own values and priorities for their life – to become individuals. Trump supporters are not individualists, they are just people trying to recover privilege they didn’t earn and now see slipping away. They are worse than conventional conservatives because they lack any moral center. They want to see regressive norms because those are the only norms they can get their head around.

Marcus

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Gary Schiltz-4

Re: 2019 - The end of Trumpism

In reply to this post by Marcus G. Daniels

"Trump supporters are not individualists, they are just people trying to recover privilege they didn’t earn and now see slipping away. "

Reminds me of a radio commentator I used to listen to, either Mike Malloy or Peter Werbe, I don't remember which. He always said that George W. Bush was "born on third base and thought he hit a home run.".

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 5:44 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

David writes:

“And it would serve "the opposition" to get a clue about the fact that the vast majority of Trump supporters do not suffer from racism, sexism, 'genderism', "me-first-ism," etc. Instead recognize that their primary affliction is individualism - and even libertarian-ism (despite some obvious contradictions from the religious among them) - along with corollaries of "anti-government control-ism," "personal-responsibility-ism," and "my-values-are-just-as-valid-as-yours-ism."

The racism and sexism arise from the false supposition that personal responsibility is all that is required to thrive. They fail to acknowledge that public policy can level the playing field and give everyone a fair chance to develop their own values and priorities for their life – to become individuals. Trump supporters are not individualists, they are just people trying to recover privilege they didn’t earn and now see slipping away. They are worse than conventional conservatives because they lack any moral center. They want to see regressive norms because those are the only norms they can get their head around.

Marcus

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Gillian Densmore

Re: 2019 - The end of Trumpism

In reply to this post by Tom Johnson

Tom, also on twitter from AndNow this (?) the day of the shut down Mich Michaneal described Donald as a 'roogue president while we have no government...' i haven't a clue if that'll translate to action though. The DOJ has said many times something to the effect even they don't know if charges made against Donald (or any other POTUS) can actually translate to legal actions . Someone else that knows more about civice than me can better at least guess that one. It'd seem like he could be tried on crimes without an impeachment being a citizen and all, I could very well be wrong though. At least of the watergate scandal documentaries i've seen they didn't know for nixon of that was do able. Bill Clinton they tried... I thought(just goin from memory) though they ultimatle got him on tax, and obstruction charges....

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 2:31 PM Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:

You wrote: "... the RNC's media department on twitter has said they're "considering" declaring Donald unfit for 'his current position' . "
Do you have the link(s) to that statement?
Tom

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On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 1:43 PM Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
FWIW the RNC's media department on twitter has said they're "considering" declaring Donald unfit for 'his current position' . One can only guess when/If they'll make good . I didn't even know it was a thing that thing the can do.
I have ton of concerns about this whole mess....my uncomplicated mind thinks: oook if the health and well being of countery leads to a lot of really amazing things sometimes. What's the question? If someone simply can't do a job (POTUS or otherwise) why should their be any shame at all in them saying: oh well mea culpa turns out I can't actually run a company or nonproffit or what ever.
Personally i think it's a good thing for people to try then say: well turns out I can't after all let me find someone that can. On the practical side you tried then found out well simply don't have skills to do so. That's awesome.
Not so much to keep saying but but I can see that dumpster fire actually is just a dumpster with a built in incinerator unit yeah that's it! it was a undocumented feature or what ever.
I just don't get why the GOP can't (or won't ) tell donald: either you can step down saying that, or we'll as gamers say: vote to kick you out. Your call. Only instead of a vote to kick it's a vote of noconfidence, or a disastrously terrible job review (impeachment) or being arrested (turns out that's a thing now ).
Question: For people in parliamentarian countries is it culture thing when a PM says; quits sighting They can't actually fix or run the parliament. . For example . Recently that was why Austria and Aultrillia had 5? PM's in a scant' 12 month period.

Genuinely curious!
On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 9:58 AM Steven A Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
I prefer the model of Twain's "history doesn't repeat itself, it rhymes"...

It appears that the great poem of life has lapsed into a riff of thug-rap (taking names and popping caps)... which could go on for quite a while... apparently there are a lot of folks who want/need that kind of angry/negative me-first energy?

And a slap-happy new year to you too!
Dear Pollyanna,

It will end and we’ll all learn an important lesson?

Whew, I was worried there for a minute!

Thanks,

Marcus

From: Friam [hidden email] on behalf of Jochen Fromm [hidden email]
Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 at 6:53 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] 2019 - The end of Trumpism

Merry christmas and a happy new year 2019! I hope Mueller will finish his report in 2019 and I assume president Trump will either resign or be impeached like Nixon, since the House belongs now to the democrats (Did you know "Mueller" is the German version of "Miller" btw? As you know a miller is someone who creates the flour we need for life) Then Donald will spend the rest of his life in prison or seek asylum in Russia. This would be the end of "Trumpism". But who knows, it's a complex world. In hindsight we will learn more about "Trumpism" as well. At the moment it seems to be a mixture of the original Italian fascism and post-soviet authoritarianism, i.e. the rule of an authoritarian leader who demands absolute loyalty and trusts only his family. I believe we can only decode social systems if we really understand the various forms of *-isms like fascism, nazism or communism, and how they are related.

-Jochen
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Gillian Densmore

Re: 2019 - The end of Trumpism

In reply to this post by Frank Wimberly-2

Huh I'd have thought Donald was more like these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxNX6ozCty8

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 3:27 PM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:

The Trump presidency:

https://youtu.be/Pviuk_WuwmM

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https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly

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On Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 2:31 PM Tom Johnson <[hidden email] wrote:
You wrote: "... the RNC's media department on twitter has said they're "considering" declaring Donald unfit for 'his current position' . "
Do you have the link(s) to that statement?
Tom

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Institute for Analytic Journalism   --     Santa Fe, NM USA
505.577.6482(c)               505.473.9646(h)
NM Foundation for Open Government
Check out It's The People's Data
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On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 1:43 PM Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
FWIW the RNC's media department on twitter has said they're "considering" declaring Donald unfit for 'his current position' . One can only guess when/If they'll make good . I didn't even know it was a thing that thing the can do.
I have ton of concerns about this whole mess....my uncomplicated mind thinks: oook if the health and well being of countery leads to a lot of really amazing things sometimes. What's the question? If someone simply can't do a job (POTUS or otherwise) why should their be any shame at all in them saying: oh well mea culpa turns out I can't actually run a company or nonproffit or what ever.
Personally i think it's a good thing for people to try then say: well turns out I can't after all let me find someone that can. On the practical side you tried then found out well simply don't have skills to do so. That's awesome.
Not so much to keep saying but but I can see that dumpster fire actually is just a dumpster with a built in incinerator unit yeah that's it! it was a undocumented feature or what ever.
I just don't get why the GOP can't (or won't ) tell donald: either you can step down saying that, or we'll as gamers say: vote to kick you out. Your call. Only instead of a vote to kick it's a vote of noconfidence, or a disastrously terrible job review (impeachment) or being arrested (turns out that's a thing now ).
Question: For people in parliamentarian countries is it culture thing when a PM says; quits sighting They can't actually fix or run the parliament. . For example . Recently that was why Austria and Aultrillia had 5? PM's in a scant' 12 month period.

Genuinely curious!
On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 9:58 AM Steven A Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
I prefer the model of Twain's "history doesn't repeat itself, it rhymes"...

It appears that the great poem of life has lapsed into a riff of thug-rap (taking names and popping caps)... which could go on for quite a while... apparently there are a lot of folks who want/need that kind of angry/negative me-first energy?

And a slap-happy new year to you too!
Dear Pollyanna,

It will end and we’ll all learn an important lesson?

Whew, I was worried there for a minute!

Thanks,

Marcus

From: Friam [hidden email] on behalf of Jochen Fromm [hidden email]
Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 at 6:53 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] 2019 - The end of Trumpism

Merry christmas and a happy new year 2019! I hope Mueller will finish his report in 2019 and I assume president Trump will either resign or be impeached like Nixon, since the House belongs now to the democrats (Did you know "Mueller" is the German version of "Miller" btw? As you know a miller is someone who creates the flour we need for life) Then Donald will spend the rest of his life in prison or seek asylum in Russia. This would be the end of "Trumpism". But who knows, it's a complex world. In hindsight we will learn more about "Trumpism" as well. At the moment it seems to be a mixture of the original Italian fascism and post-soviet authoritarianism, i.e. the rule of an authoritarian leader who demands absolute loyalty and trusts only his family. I believe we can only decode social systems if we really understand the various forms of *-isms like fascism, nazism or communism, and how they are related.

-Jochen
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